When do you have enough?

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Just wondering about when people with smaller families feel they have enough points? I read a lot about Dvc members with addonitis and 1000 point members. Do you really easily use 1000 points? How painful is that dues bill? We just have 200 points and it feels adequate, but we are just planning one or two weeks a year. What do you do with so many points? Just curious. Thanks!
 
Well, points go fast when you have 5 kids, their significant others, friends and extended family!!
We have one 12-14 day vacation with the family staying in 2br and concierge if available. We have brought along a couple other families in the past for an extra studio, and next year we have an extra 2br!
And, we hope for a couple trips a year just the two of us.
 
We book 1 or 2 bedrooms several times per year so we use up our points fast.

:earsboy: Bill
 

You have enough when you dread any additional maintenance fees, and are running out of vacation time from work.
 
Funny I was thinking the same thing. while I love Disney world it seems every other year is plenty. I often wonder if I would have bought earlier when my kids were younger that I would have went more frequent but when my kids were younger things were much tighter than now. Now that they are teens every other year is fine and gives time for things to change enough at Disney for enough variety. We only have 160 and that we figure will allow us to go every other year and splurge by borrowing into the following but that is staying in a 2 bedroom and eventually we won't need a 2 bedroom as the kids grow and go to college and such. I refuse to have another house payment for a place to visit yearly.
 
I will be the lone voice with this opinion, but enough for us should have been before we bought. We fell for the DVC nostalgia, when our Canadian dollar was significantly higher, and so our 1st contract @ SSR cost us way too much.

We then fell for the nostalgia again and have added on 4 times since 2004 when we bought - we highly regret our DVC purchase at this time, as we feel dues are too high, and we still aren't sure about the value of it...we have determined that Studios definitely aren't worth it, as they are the same as moderates, so we then upgraded for 1 bedrooms. This has caused more money out of pockets in buy-in costs, dues and associated vacation costs. We now have 360 points, and our dues were $1722.00 last year - this is way too high, and our dollar was pretty much at par. If it wasn't, it would be even higher. :eek:

We just did a spreadsheet a few days ago, and we are sick to our stomachs with how much we have spent over the past 6.5 years of being ownerws. :sick: Want to sell, but will lose big time due to CDN exchange rates at time of purchase and associated fees.

So, for us, enough was enough before we bought, but if we had decided that we would purchase a contract, it would have been for a small amount of like 175 - 200 (like we did), and we would have gone every other year, instead of multiple trips over the years. We would NOT have added on at all, and should not have, now that we have looked back on it.

DVC is a money sucker...and with a young family, we would caution people that paying off your mortgage or saving for kids' educations is a better usage of funds, than buying more points. DVC makes it very easy to buy more points, and with resale prices so low, that's attractive to people as well, but in the big picture, for us, spending thousands of dollars each year on Disney vacations over a lifetime is an astronomical amount of money. Each year, the amount is do-able, but over time, it's astronomical.

So, even if you can afford a small add-on now, add up all of the associated costs, over the lifetime of the contract, and look at that number, and you may change your mind. Even for us, at 6.5 years in, the amount of money we've stupidly given to DVC, is money that would have knocked our mortgage down significantly. DVC is a sore subject in our house these days...:sad1:

Good luck with your decision, as it's a hard one, Tiger
 
I also think that the savings you get with DVC go away when you start taking large groups of friends and families for free on your points so you end buying more points. Would most people splurge to pay for others vacations if it was cash? Probably not. But more points is more cash and more dues. Then I think Dvc could be a bad value.
 
That answer is really up to each person.

We bought our original contract at BWV with enough points to stay in a one bedroom for a week at any time of year we wanted to go. Since we usually do one WDW vacation a year.

We added on points at Vero when we got a good deal on them and expected to usually use them as gifts for my in-laws who love beach vacations. That didn't work out well so we sold those points a couple of years ago.

We recently added on at Aulani because we loved our visit to that area back in 2007 and plan to go to Hawaii every third year.

We've stayed in everything from a studio (for a few nights) up to a two bedroom (when bringing family for a week).

We have the right amount of points for us both time wise and dollar wise. Each family has to make that decision for themselves.
 
We only have one child, so we can easily and comfortably stay in studio accommodations. For those who need one or two bedroom rooms, though, it costs massive amounts of points, so you do need a lot. BUT, on the other hand, someone who is paying cash who needs those large accommodations will be paying significantly more than I would too, so their savings are probably on par with what mine are. :thumbsup2
 
3* 3WEEKS IN A ONE BEDROOM FOR THREE FAMILIES THEY GO FAST BUT THE JOYYOU BRING IS A BONUS:dance3::dance3::dance3::dance3:
 
We are looking at adding on and additional 150 pts.. (to our 150 pts currently).. the previous poster (Tiger) just scared the heck out of me..
 
To answer a previous poster about taking people with you....we do it more often than not. We have taken large groups (GV's at OKW and SSR) and smaller groups (2BR at VWL) and just 3 of us (2BR at OKW just for the extra room!) We bought hoping to share WDW with friends and family. And would love to add on more points.

Having said that, it is first and foremost a financial decision. You have to keep the emotions out of it and take a hard look at your lifestyle, the way you vacation and your long term financial goals. This is not a way to make money, just a way to "prepay" for accommodations at a great resort. We looked at it as we would always have villa type rooms (we initially bought enough points for a 2BR) at one of our favorite vacation destinations. We did not look at it as an investment...we have other funds going for that. I would say, if you have extra disposable income and you love to vacation at WDW then it might be for you. If it would be a stretch financially, then it is a big no.

Sorry to be so long winded....good luck with your choice!
 
How many of u take extended family and friends more often than not on your points?
That is a great question! Owning timeshare (DVC and others) has completely changed the way we vacation.
  • Before Timeshare: Mostly cruises and last minute trips booked via online auctions for the two of us.
  • Since Timeshare: Booking big or multiple units and inviting plenty of friends or family on most trips.
Our first foray into planning an extended family gathering required 6 (?) large units at a San Diego coastal resort over the July 4th holiday week in 2002. It was a nightmare to coordinate -- but absolutely worth it! We had a blast.

Since then we've easily managed less stressful getaways with smaller combinations of family & friends. Some have become repeat "must-do" events (every New Years with 4 households) and others are impromptu with just 1-3 invited guests. I'm so glad we created memories with my husband's father before he passed: timeshare trips to Big Bear and Palm Springs, an Alaskan cruise, etc.

We travel with "others" at least twice each year. Our most recent group trip was a visit to WDW just last month (F&W) sharing a Grand Villa with my folks and my husband's mom and step-dad. The GV's 3BR layout was perfect. We now look forward to our 4-household annual New Year's adventure ... just a few short weeks away (:scared1:).

Seriously, group travel is a joy when everyone has sufficient space and privacy.

As for your original question, that rather difficult to answer. For us, enough is when we've (a) met our original goal (1BR, 1 week at BWV for annual conference), (b) enjoy occasional "just for fun" trips on the left-over points and (c) find ourselves banking each year. We are at that point at 335 annual.
 
We have a family of 4 (2A,2C) so we can easily fit in a studio. However, we have stayed in 1 bedrooms quite a few times.

We have almost 500pts and we usually borrow in order to go for 4 weeks out of the year (2 wks in Spring and 2 wks in Summer). Our points is not enough so that's why we usually borrow from the next year. I have calculated that we would need to do another add on in about 3-5 yrs in order to keep up. However, we have changed our vacation habits a bit so it may be longer than that. For instance, if we stay at a 1 bedroom for one 2wk vacation, we will book a studio for the other 2 wk vacation or do something a little different. for instance, we are staying at a 1 bed this spring, and in the summer, we are staying at a studio for a week and then we paid out of pocket for the Disney Cruise. Or last time, we stayed at a 1 bed for 2 wks at one vacation and then stayed at the Portofino Bay at Universal Studios for the other. That way are points are still working for us. But in the past, we stayed at a studio for both vacations.

I guess, my point is that we would like more points and I don't, personally, think we have enough for our vacations, but we try to work around it.

And yes, the annual fee is quite large especially a few years ago when the Canadian dollar was nowhere near par.
 
I understand how you can feel that way. I am sorry DVC is a sore subject. Why did you add on then may I ask?

We are looking at adding on and additional 150 pts.. (to our 150 pts currently).. the previous poster (Tiger) just scared the heck out of me..

I'm sorry for posting and not coming back. I did so right before school today, and my students have kept me hopping all day long! I didn't mean to freak anyone out.

Only you know your financial situation best, so I always remind people that owing DVC sucks a lot of money - initial buy-in, yearly dues, and costs associated with each vacation (tickets, food, transportation). We normally took annual 1 week vacations in moderate hotels, but once we bought into DVC, we took longer vacations, and more vacations. We've taken 4 more vacations with DVC than we would have taken had we not purchased, and that has cost us thousands of dollars more.

We added on because we had a second child (were told we couldn't have more kids), of the opposite gender, so we were worried about the kids sleeping together, as they are 4 years apart. So, we thought we needed to add on to accommodate 1 bedrooms. We do feel that studios are not worth it, and so 1 bedrooms are more value, but they are considerably more money in buy-in membership, dues and points per use. We could have just banked points, and gone every other year, but at the time, we thought we deserved yearly trips to WDW.

We added on very impulsively last year as well, as the point reallocations cost us close to 40 points, so we added on 60 points. All we needed to do was cut out a few days, or, do mostly 1 bedroom, and the last few days in a studio, to work within our 300 points. Hubby didn't want that, and so we added on, which we now highly regret.

We regret buying into DVC because it has cost us more money than we thought it would. We did the financials, but each trip food costs go up, ticket costs, transportation, etc. and extra trips, have cost thousands more. At this point, we take 10 night/11 days vacations in the summer in a 1 bedroom, and this still costs a lot. We can't knock much more off, as we drive, and that's a long drive, so we need to stick within those days.

Starting with our next trip, we have slashed our food budget, as we've spent excessively on food over the years. We now have to make up for how much DVC has sucked from us, so we are doing our best to cut costs where possible. We think the 1 bedroom is best, as we can cook in our room and do laundry, whereas you can't do this in a studio room. Also, we are only going to take 1 trip per year, as this also keeps costs down.

The last point I want to make is that the addonitis that permeates on these boards is infectious, so you have to watch out. We fell for it, and we never should have, as I would love to have taken those thousands of dollars, and put them on my mortgage. So, that is why I say, even if you have the money to pay cash for an add-on, and can cover your dues, on a yearly basis, please add up all of the extra associated costs. The cumulative costs are staggering, IMHO. Between our buy-in/add-ons, 6.5 years of dues, and vacations costs, we are at a staggering $71,000 that we've plunked down on DVC in 6.5 years. Have we had great vacations? Yes. But we could have had them with paying cash for moderate rooms. We never should have spent this much money on DVC, when we are a young family paying a mortgage, saving for kids' university funds and retirement funds. We would have been happy just staying in the moderate hotels for 1 week, and paying cash each year - even taking these vacations away, we are at approx. $50,000, and that is just huge.

I highly encourage people to not fall for addonitis, and really look at how much DVC is truly costing them. It's an individual feeling as to when you will know when enough points are enough, but sometimes, nostalgia and addonitis get in the way, and that is a money sucker.

Tiger
 

















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