Wheelchair Accident at MK

[LSUfan4444]

OK, just a reminder, we do not live in Sparta, we do not throw people off the cliff, so can we all be a bit considered to each other?
I think suggesting for people in ECV to leave later or come earlier is ridiculous, then all the strollers should follow this advice as well because they can cause harm as well.

People with strollers should take more precautions than pedestrians and EVCs should take more precautions than strollers. And the security on segways should take more precuations than those on EVCs and golf carts should take more precautions than those on segways, etc, etc, etc

Does anyone not think the drivers of the WDW boats do not take much more precautions than those who rent the sea racers?

Point is watch out for people, no matter walking or riding and this is it.

The point is, not everyone pays attention and as the operator of a vehicle that can cause harm, you bare more responsibility.

We're both idealists in a way. You want everyone to pay attention. I know that won't happen so I want the operators of the most dangerous vehicles to pay more attention. Neither will happen, but we can dream.

 

[LSUfan4444]

By your logic, here's how my day would go... 9:00 opening oops we got to wait till the influx of people go through hope we can make our 9:45 aft at the castle! 30 min later, we got 15 mins till our are! Phew on ms.. uh oh.. clang clang went the trolley, crowd held up on walkway, gotta wait... 30 min later we missed our adr.. let's see if they can still take us... Oh look castle show wow look the crowd better wait... 30 min later. Breakfast is over drat let's go on mickey's phillarmagic.. 10 mins. Everyone rushes for the exit and new people are coming in.. should we try to leave yet? I could go on but as you see, +2 hours went by, I haven't eaten and I been on one attraction.. and this is fair how?

Why are you constantly trying to tell people that it won't work and how your day would go when we have both done it before and done it successfully?

I have been to WDW numerous times with someone on an EVC and most of those times have been in a large group. We've never missed an ADR and only had to skip a few attractions we wanted to hit...BUT, we've done that even when they aren't with us because that kinda thing just happens sometimes.

We don't make ADR's at the most popular times of the day (often times before the parks even open where there is no crowd whatsoever) or we eat a small breakfast in the resort before a later breakfast. It can be done, and it is done every day in WDW by people who make the extra step.

 

[BayouMickey]

Yes it can be done.. but are you going to tell my 9 year old daughter "no we can't go eat with the princesses at the castle because its not practical for the walkers and the earliest adr was 9:45, so here have this rice crispie treat and enjoy"

 

[KellyNY]

People with strollers should take more precautions than pedestrians and EVCs should take more precautions than strollers. And the security on segways should take more precuations than those on EVCs and golf carts should take more precautions than those on segways, etc, etc, etc

Does anyone not think the drivers of the WDW boats do not take much more precautions than those who rent the sea racers?




The point is, not everyone pays attention and as the operator of a vehicle that can cause harm, you bare more responsibility.

We're both idealists in a way. You want everyone to pay attention. I know that won't happen so I want the operators of the most dangerous vehicles to pay more attention. Neither will happen, but we can dream.

I am actually a realist, I know people do not pay attention but I do not blame one party more then the other.

 

[LSUfan4444]

Yes it can be done.. but are you going to tell my 9 year old daughter "no we can't go eat with the princesses at the castle because its not practical for the walkers and the earliest adr was 9:45, so here have this rice crispie treat and enjoy"

If my 9 year old daughter wanted to eat Cinderella's Royal Table for breakfast I would make my reservation 180 days out for 8 am on a day the park opens at 9 am.

It's a very simple and logical solution to a very fixable "problem". Now, it involves work on your part. You have to organized early on (6 months out), you have to wake up and leave a little earlier, but how is that not a win/win?

 

[Kaspar Houser]

I am actually a realist, I know people do not pay attention but I do not blame one party more then the other.

Tell that to a judge after a child or person was killed.
Sorry mr. Judge I was just not paying attention.
Those that use a heavy transportation device be it a EVC or big truck have to take responsibility for the damage they can cause.

 

[LSUfan4444]

I am actually a realist, I know people do not pay attention but I do not blame one party more then the other.

The person who holds the most responsibility is always the most to blame. Do you just disagree that the user of an EVC should assume more responsibility?

 

[BayouMickey]

If my 9 year old daughter wanted to eat Cinderella's Royal Table for breakfast I would make my reservation 180 days out for 8 am on a day the park opens at 9 am.

It's a very simple and logical solution to a very fixable "problem". Now, it involves work on your part. You have to organized early on (6 months out), you have to wake up and leave a little earlier, but how is that not a win/win?

You are speaking in optimal terms.. yes I can do it 180 days out, but you know as well as I most times those early morning adrs are gone quickly, I'm dealing with realistics not ideally, because no trip to wdw goes ideally and that is my point. You can talk about oh how great it would be if.. but ifs don't happen, you need to acknowledge, adjust, and act.

 

[Kaspar Houser]

As I have said before and will say again, the people on those EVCs may not be any worse then people not on them, but since they are on the machine that can cause serious harm, they need to be more patient and more understanding than everyone else. Sorry, it's just the way it is.

I had always heard stories, but until my two yr old daughter was almost run over by one (video of the incident linked below), I had figured it was more of just freak accidents. Since this day, I have really started to pay more attention and no other crowded area I have ever been to has quite a collection like Disney.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_mugfllxiU&feature=g-crec-u

I did see this clip before. I feel for you and just want you to know that in my country this person would have to pay a big fine.

Our laws protect our children. If we hurt a child whit a skateboard, bicycle, evc, car or truck we are guilty even if the child caused the accident.

Our law says:"children play and a grown up has to accept this".

 

[KellyNY]

The person who holds the most responsibility is always the most to blame. Do you just disagree that the user of an EVC should assume more responsibility?

Yes, I disagree, if it would be considered a dangerous machine as you say and if there were actually enough cases of serious injuries other then few bruises or even cuts that successfully caused by strollers as well, I am sure we would see separate lanes just for ECVs and strollers. It is not the case, is it.

 

[ttintagel]

With the best reflexes in the world, you still cannae change the laws of physics. The fact is that a pedestrian can jump out in front of your ECV more quickly than you can stop it. If you're on the ECV due to a back problem, you might as well give up and go home if you're going to have to spend the day getting whiplash trying to stop on a dime every few seconds because you'rethe only one expected to pay any attention to traffic.

 

[LSUfan4444]

Yes, I disagree, if it would be considered a dangerous machine as you say and if there were actually enough cases of serious injuries other then few bruises or even cuts that successfully caused by strollers as well, I am sure we would see separate lanes just for ECVs and strollers. It is not the case, is it.

The machine is not dangerous. It's use in areas that are heavily populated with pedestrians who do not pay attention make it such. Just like a baseball bat is not a weapon, until it used by someone as such.

Disney goes a LONG way to accomodate those with dissabilities, as they should, and no, you wouldn't see seperate lanes for EVCs just like you don't see seperate lanes for 18 wheelers. The difference is, the user.

In most circumstances, both are not dangerous at all except when operated carelessly and/or not defensively.

In what other scenerio can you give where the user of the more dangerous and/or hazardous machine does not assume more responsibility?

It is the engineer of a train to make sure his track is clean and to not proceed if it isn't. Same thing with a boat captain as they approach bridges. Ask anyone who has ever driven a class A motor home or a bus driver. The only differences between them and the EVC and it's user is the amount of training that the operator has and the size of the actual vehicle.

 

[FutureDCPparticipant]

In AK after getting off of Everest I was looking at the ride picture when I got rammed by a wheel chair that a little boy was pushing. I got a small scrap on my ankle and no apology from the boy or his parents.

 

[LSUfan4444]

You are speaking in optimal terms.. yes I can do it 180 days out, but you know as well as I most times those early morning adrs are gone quickly, I'm dealing with realistics not ideally, because no trip to wdw goes ideally and that is my point. You can talk about oh how great it would be if.. but ifs don't happen, you need to acknowledge, adjust, and act.

I am speaking in rational terms. If me or my family wants something bad enough, I will do everything I can to make sure we get those reservations. That means being planned well in advance to make ressies 180+ 10 out.

If it isn't available on our optimal day, we'll do it another day. Yes, there are trade offs....everyone makes trade offs.

I still don't know why you sit there and are trying to treat me like I don't know what you're going through while visiting WDW and an EVC. I've done it, planned it and done it again, and planend it again. It can be done. It's done every day.

 

[BayouMickey]

The machine is not dangerous. It's use in areas that are heavily populated with pedestrians who do not pay attention make it such. Just like a baseball bat is not a weapon, until it used by someone as such.

Disney goes a LONG way to accomodate those with dissabilities, as they should, and no, you wouldn't see seperate lanes for EVCs just like you don't see seperate lanes for 18 wheelers. The difference is, the user.

In most circumstances, both are not dangerous at all except when operated carelessly and/or not defensively.

In what other scenerio can you give where the user of the more dangerous and/or hazardous machine does not assume more responsibility?

It is the engineer of a train to make sure his track is clean and to not proceed if it isn't. Same thing with a boat captain as they approach bridges. Ask anyone who has ever driven a class A motor home or a bus driver. The only differences between them and the EVC and it's user is the amount of training that the operator has and the size of the actual vehicle.

Ah yes, but its not the conductors fault when a car tries to rush across and beat the train, its not the captain's fault when a ski boat comes speeding across trying to rush past. Do you not see the difference? Look even if I waited 40 mins for the crowd to thin, there will always be someone who jumps in front of me, its more proficient for EVERYONE to be aware of their surrounding we can all exists In Traffic, but to put the greater burden on us is absurd. You have the agility, I don't

 

[KellyNY]

The machine is not dangerous. It's use in areas that are heavily populated with pedestrians who do not pay attention make it such. Just like a baseball bat is not a weapon, until it used by someone as such.

Disney goes a LONG way to accomodate those with dissabilities, as they should, and no, you wouldn't see seperate lanes for EVCs just like you don't see seperate lanes for 18 wheelers. The difference is, the user.

In most circumstances, both are not dangerous at all except when operated carelessly and/or not defensively.

In what other scenerio can you give where the user of the more dangerous and/or hazardous machine does not assume more responsibility?

It is the engineer of a train to make sure his track is clean and to not proceed if it isn't. Same thing with a boat captain as they approach bridges. Ask anyone who has ever driven a class A motor home or a bus driver. The only differences between them and the EVC and it's user is the amount of training that the operator has and the size of the actual vehicle.

They are pedestrians as well, this is how they walk, ECV is not a car or train or boat. And if an idiot jumps infront of ECV and being hit, this is his own fault, not ECVs.

 

[BayouMickey]

I am speaking in rational terms. If me or my family wants something bad enough, I will do everything I can to make sure we get those reservations. That means being planned well in advance to make ressies 180+ 10 out.

If it isn't available on our optimal day, we'll do it another day. Yes, there are trade offs....everyone makes trade offs.

I still don't know why you sit there and are trying to treat me like I don't know what you're going through while visiting WDW and an EVC. I've done it, planned it and done it again, and planend it again. It can be done. It's done every day.

Rationally you don't always get what you want. You may want that 8:30 adr but so does 2000 other people, its a lotto, you may or may not get it and some people often cannot afford that other day to the park, so what then?

 

[LSUfan4444]

With the best reflexes in the world, you still cannae change the laws of physics. The fact is that a pedestrian can jump out in front of your ECV more quickly than you can stop it. If you're on the ECV due to a back problem, you might as well give up and go home if you're going to have to spend the day getting whiplash trying to stop on a dime every few seconds because you'rethe only one expected to pay any attention to traffic.

I certainly don't expect you to disprove the laws of physics nor do I think that every single accident can be avoided. I'll only say (again) there are some things that can be done to make things easier for all involved. Somtimes it doesn't appear to be the most convenient, but often times (as I learned) it ends up being much easier and less stressful

Doing things in your power to avoid traffic is #1. Entering and exiting the parks, attractions and shows when the crowds are not the largest is a great start. Early or late ADR's, arriving and departing shows early or late. Taking advtanage of the GAC offered at guests relations to make up for lost time during the day. Understanding that as aguest with special needs there might be times that I also have to make special concessions to ensure my vacation goes the way I want it to.

At WDW (and in life for that matter), we can't awlays stop the idiot from jumping in front of us and getting in our way. All we can do is make sure we are prepared for that idiot and any more than come after them. Your experience will not be defined by what happens to you, but how you've prepared for and react to it.

 

[BayouMickey]

Ooor said idiot could just be prepared for not jumping in front of me. Like I said I do my best not to hit anyone but they also need to do their best not to get hit.
Like I said I'm not going to waste my day waiting for the chance the crowds may thin. I'm very good on my evc,I can navigate very well. But don't think I'm going to feel guilty cause Joe blow decided hey I can beat this thing!

 

[LSUfan4444]

Rationally you don't always get what you want. You may want that 8:30 adr but so does 2000 other people, its a lotto, you may or may not get it and some people often cannot afford that other day to the park, so what then?

If my first selection of an ADR is not available, I become flixible with my time and look for even earlier reservations or try one of the other 5-10+ days of my trip where one of them is.

Overall, what I do is take responsibility, make my priorities and understand most of my effort will go into getting #1, but as I teach my daughter, sometimes we don't always get what we want. It isn't always about what we want.

Please stop trying insinuate that if you are online or on the phone 180+10 days out at 7 am EST that you cannot find one day for a reservation at Cinderella's Royal Table before 9 am.