Whats Wrong with Disney?

[Mad Hattered]

Okay looking at September when I am going:
New Drawback is ticketed events (good or bad for some people)

September 2010:
Magic Kingdom Sundays closed at 10 EMH till 1am
Animal Kingdom mornings 1 hr
Hollywood Studios Mondays closed at 7 EMH till 10PM
Epcot Fridays closed at 9 EMH til 12AM

September 2014:
Magic Kingdom Saturdays closed at 11 EMH till 1am
Animal Kingdom mornings 1 hr
Hollywood Studios mix of Sunday/Monday close at 9/9:30 EMH til 11/11:30
Epcot Firdays closed at 9 EMH til 11PM

So in all you lose 1 hour at EPCOT basically the whole time.... Sure its not EHM but its still park hours you can go....? Oh forgot to say you actually move that 1 hour of time form Epcot to HS for parks being open.

It appears you got lucky. All these people.....not so much.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3294840

 

[DisUniversal]

I don't agree with you regarding MDE. I think it was solely for Disney's benefit. Again this is my opinion. I spent every day of my normal life attached to some type of electronic device and now to use fastpasses, I must be hooked up in the parks. This, to me, is too much like work. I don't want to be controlled by a bunch of attraction reservations and set times, but If I don't want to be in a long standby line, I have to use the new system.
I know disney is working to improve this, but I don't think the old system was horribly flawed.

I still think the day is coming where you'll be able to purchase additional FP+ reservations beyond the 3 you get for 'free'.

The magic bands are a merchandising tool. Yes, you can use them to enter the parks, your resort rooms, and for charges. But the plan is for disney to use that information for direct marketing while you're in the park. Eventually, disney will send messages while you're in the park to direct you to different areas where you can purchase special items "for a limited time."

It's already being used as a merchandising tool, but not in a high tech way yet. The other day I was at the Magic Kingdom and a huge section of the main gift shop was devoted to crap you could use to decorate the magic bands. I saw things like 3 tiny little rubberized 'characters' you could plug into the unused holes in the band to decorate it. My guess is that it probably cost Disney about 25 cents to manufacture...if that, yet people were stupid enough to line up and pay $6.95 for them.

 

[sethschroeder]

It appears you got lucky. All these people.....not so much.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3294840

Do you even read anything?
http://www.easywdw.com/news/changes...ours-schedule-beginning-july-13th/#more-13766

Could you miss one of the changes yes, but they likely did this to realign to crowds that show up, I have no clue?

If you look at the changes you will see a large majority realigned the hours to a different day they didn't get rid of them all together.

Also I pulled up 2010 vs 2014 where this supposed 2 hours vs 3 hours issue is......

PS - a total of 2 weeks truly lost MK hours and that was the first two weekends of July.

 

[MichiganDVC]

I really think people go to Universal expecting Disney and that it is not. Universal has beautiful theming..... Please...I encourage anyone who goes there to really open up your eyes and take it in!

Unless, of course, people come to a DISNEY parks thread to talk about DISNEY and have NO interest in going to Universal. My parents live less than an hour from Busch Gardens Tampa and I've been to their place probably 30 times in 36 years. I've been to BG once for a few hours. This doesn't mean that I "hate" BG or the people that go there. It means I'm not interested. And I'd be super annoyed if I went to a St. Pete-Clearwater forum on "Beaches" and was constantly bombarded with pro-Busch Gardens users constantly trying to tell me why the sand at Clearwater beach sucks and I should go to Busch Gardens instead.

Just pointing out your double standard when it comes to comparing the parks.

Nice justification for the glitches at these attractions. I am sure you will have more to come when more problems arise. I look forward to it to.

As I will feel sad for you as you constant jump in and criticize perceived issues with Disney and interject your love for all things Universal now in threads that arent even related to that discussion.

Just look at MadHattered's posts for yesterday. Every single one was about how Disney sucks and Universal is better....on DISNEY threads....when he admittedly is not going to Disney anytime in the next two years. MadHattered's thrill is to be purposefully antagonistic. Without either the kudos from other pro-Uni users or arguments from people like you and me, he'd be lost.

How about people who really love WDW being called ignorant because they don't think a broken yeti matters? or that FP+ is a major advancement in theme park tech? or that while they know Disney hasn't put up 3-4 new rides this year are OKAY with that and really don't care?

If you enjoy Universal thats great have fun.

PS - Disney doesn't need to change anything, NOT BECAUSE everything they do is right, BECAUSE not only does everyone still come every year but more and more people actually crowd into WDW.

NO, NO, NO, Seth!!! Haven't you read the Disboard's narrative? Don't you understand? You're wrong! Deal with it. Universal is just better. At everything. Your concept of happiness and enjoyment is just ignorant because you'd be happier at Universal if you just gave it a try. They have better hotels, better rides, better characters, better restaurants, (did I miss something?)

Your obsession with me is flattering. How about let's stay on topic so the thread doesn't get shut down, mkay? If you want to rant on me then you are more than welcome to PM me.

I love when you pull out the "Mkay." Its when condescending goes into overdrive...

The mere fact that more and more people are splitting off a chunk of their vacation dollars and heading for Universal for part of their trip is definitely a loss Disney will feel. Disney's push to capture 100% of your vacation dollar (with DME, on-site perks and dining plan) was pure genius, exactly what I expected from the masters of marketing at Disney. It was pure genius because it benefitted Disney AND the guest. So much of what I've seen lately benefits ONLY Disney. And nobody can tell me that won't come back to bite them in the rear.

I think, at best, "more and more" people are adding days to go to Universal, as evidenced by larger percentage increase in attendance for USF, but also rising attendance for WDW. Not cutting into their Disney vacation.

I didnt start directly interacting with you, now did I. You are the one that quoted me and told me to "get over it" Now, that isnt exactly on topic, is it?

Please follow your own advice.

And besides, if this thread gets shut down, you will just revise your same
"Universal is better" narrative on a myriad of other threads.

Did you see me reference you DIRECTLY, quote you, or dismissively tell you to "get over it" ? I was commenting on the article AND pointing out the double standard that people seem to have.

Again, just check MH's list of posts (probably for the last month or year, frankly) and they are overwhelmingly anti-Disney. I've even had him reference one lone pro-Disney post as a rebuttal when I've said this before. He's not here to learn more about Disney or plan a trip or share advice. He's here to hate on Disney. Therefore, I wouldn't bother engaging in a back and forth. Just ignore the hate (and sadly, most of the threads on Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies forum from now on. It has been hijacked by Disney-haters for at least the last year, regardless of what they call themselves. If you like the excitement of the back and forth, by all means continue.)

 

[Planogirl]

Wow. MichiganDVC, you come off as bitter and angry. I hope that I haven't contributed to that. Regardless of what you might think, I personally don't hate anything.

 

[surferdave]

So much of what I've seen lately benefits ONLY Disney. And nobody can tell me that won't come back to bite them in the rear.

That's hard to discuss around here because we have a high number of posters who identify so strongly with Disney that they have lost touch with where what's good for Disney ends and where what's good for them begins. The parks are more crowded now, awesome! Disney doesn't have to repair broken attractions because people will come anyway, hooray!

 

[sethschroeder]

That's hard to discuss around here because we have a high number of posters who identify so strongly with Disney that they have lost touch with where what's good for Disney ends and where what's good for them begins. The parks are more crowded now, awesome! Disney doesn't have to repair broken attractions because people will come anyway, hooray!

Except you ignored my question and answer:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=51732826&postcount=615
and further answer:
http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=51733015&postcount=623

So what only benefits Disney? Besides canceling 2 MK EMH days to start July? Even then who knows what the point of it was but I would agree that does just benefit Disney from closing earlier.

 

[MichiganDVC]

But how is it compared to Universal?

You don't mention Universal in your list but usually someone will come along now and say "but Universal doesn't <fill in blank>". I see this over and over here so it's really both sides that keep on bringing up Universal. As you've pointed out Disney is fully capable of having problems (or not) without Universal being a factor.

No, that's not really true. Look at the first page of all these types of threads. Disney complainers are the very first to bring up Universal. I was unfortunately involved in another long, drawn-out thread on which I asked why Universal always has to be brought up on DISNEY threads asking about DISNEY parks. Trust me, it was never Disney fans who immediately point out what Universal isn't doing right. We don't care what Universal is doing, period, when discussing Disney.
I heard all sorts of responses:
1. (My favorite) "If the moderators have allowed us to discuss Universal on the Disney thread, then it must be ok." As though I was accusing them of forum violations or something.
2. Random users don't realize there is a Universal forum (crickets, btw) further down the forum list and therefore they just post on the WDW Theme Parks forum about Universal.
3. We love both and want to talk about both regardless what the OP intended. Especially if by talking about both, we can reveal how superior Universal (and by default, myself) is to Disney (and by default, you.)

 

[Mad Hattered]

If you like the excitement of the back and forth, by all means continue.)

Good morning, Sunshine. Hitting the Irish coffee this morning, are we?

 

[MKMomma]

Wow. MichiganDVC, you come off as bitter and angry. I hope that I haven't contributed to that. Regardless of what you might think, I personally don't hate anything.

They sure do. Geez. I don't know how to do it here, but I know most forums have an ignore feature you can use.

That poster should probably use it if other posters are causing him/her? so much angst, anger and bitterness.

 

[MichiganDVC]

That's hard to discuss around here because we have a high number of posters who identify so strongly with Disney that they have lost touch with where what's good for Disney ends and where what's good for them begins. The parks are more crowded now, awesome! Disney doesn't have to repair broken attractions because people will come anyway, hooray!

On a website called DISBoards?!? Whaaaaaaaat?! You're telling me that there are people on here who identify strongly with Disney and don't come to this site to be constantly bombarded with condescending arguments about why Disney sucks?

I...just....don't....understand

 

[Planogirl]

No, that's not really true. Look at the first page of all these types of threads. Disney complainers are the very first to bring up Universal. I was unfortunately involved in another long, drawn-out thread on which I asked why Universal always has to be brought up on DISNEY threads asking about DISNEY parks. Trust me, it was never Disney fans who immediately point out what Universal isn't doing right. We don't care what Universal is doing, period, when discussing Disney.
I heard all sorts of responses:
1. (My favorite) "If the moderators have allowed us to discuss Universal on the Disney thread, then it must be ok." As though I was accusing them of forum violations or something.
2. Random users don't realize there is a Universal forum (crickets, btw) further down the forum list and therefore they just post on the WDW Theme Parks forum about Universal.
3. We love both and want to talk about both regardless what the OP intended. Especially if by talking about both, we can reveal how superior Universal (and by default, myself) is to Disney (and by default, you.)

I admit that I want to talk about both but it's only because I like both. I sometimes visit a Disney park and Universal park on the same day so they are always on my mind even when I'm there.

The forums here have always been pretty casual about topic as long as certain things are avoided. I don't deny that maybe a few use Universal as a way to attack Disney but I believe that it comes from both sides. It's impossible to tell who was first because really this is just an ongoing topic.

 

[Planogirl]

On a website called DISBoards?!? Whaaaaaaaat?! You're telling me that there are people on here who identify strongly with Disney and don't come to this site to be constantly bombarded with condescending arguments about why Disney sucks?

I...just....don't....understand

If you look at the topics on this forum, you see that just about all of them are about Disney and show no signs of any criticism. One or two threads isn't a bombardment in my opinion but of course YMMV.

 

[PlutoMars]

That's hard to discuss around here because we have a high number of posters who identify so strongly with Disney that they have lost touch with where what's good for Disney ends and where what's good for them begins. The parks are more crowded now, awesome! Disney doesn't have to repair broken attractions because people will come anyway, hooray!

Did you intend that to be so condescending to people that do not share a particular opinion of "what is wrong with Disney"?

A lot of "what is wrong" is subjective and therefore is subject to a person's preferences and touring styles.

I dont see where people are saying because the parks are more crowded that Disney doesnt need to repair broken attractions. If you are referring to EE, I see people saying that a broken Yeti doesnt diminish people's enjoyment of the attraction. I love EE and the Yeti doesnt factor into that and I know that it is not working as it was first designed. Do I think Disney should repair it? Do I wish it was designed better? Yes. Do I think that a non-moving Yeti, diminishes the attraction? No and as mentioned, people that do not even know how it was at first, still love EE.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Wow. MichiganDVC, you come off as bitter and angry. I hope that I haven't contributed to that. Regardless of what you might think, I personally don't hate anything.

Sorry, what is this in reference to? I don't know what post might have given you that impression...

 

[surferdave]

If you look at the topics on this forum, you see that just about all of them are about Disney and show no signs of any criticism. One or two threads isn't a bombardment in my opinion but of course YMMV.

Some people lose sight of the fact that this is a planning board, not a fan board. It loses all effectiveness when it's dominated by people reluctant to apply critical thinking to a WDW trip.

 

[PlutoMars]

Some people lose sight of the fact that this is a planning board, not a fan board. It loses all effectiveness when it's dominated by people reluctant to apply critical thinking to a WDW trip.

And what does the creation of this thread have to do with planning?

 

[surferdave]

And what does the creation of this thread have to do with planning?

Take that up with the OP.

 

[sethschroeder]

Some people lose sight of the fact that this is a planning board, not a fan board. It loses all effectiveness when it's dominated by people reluctant to apply critical thinking to a WDW trip.

What does FP+ sucks posts have to do with planning?
What does Universal does this or that have to do with planning?
What does Avatar sucks and HP rules have to do with planning?
What does the Yeti is broke have to do with planning?
What does EMH changed from 3 hours to 2 hours a couple years back have to do with planning?
What does.....

And on and on and on and on....

 

[Suvadoo]

On a website called DISBoards?!? Whaaaaaaaat?! You're telling me that there are people on here who identify strongly with Disney and don't come to this site to be constantly bombarded with condescending arguments about why Disney sucks?

I...just....don't....understand

I don't understand why you bother reading and participating in this thread since it is so reprehensible to you. I'm sure there are other discussion threads that share your views.