What's 'wrong' with Catholicism (dare we try to discuss without debate?)

Wishing on a star said:
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I think we have a point here!

and what is your point exactly? Bible studies is not a large part of the Catholic school education. I repeat- Catholics are taught the Bible is to be used as a guide to live a grace filled life. It is not to be taken literally.
 
Bob Slydell said:
I would agree with you on the Catholic faith part, but disagree with you on the Bible part. I was Catholic school educated for 12 years and Bible studies were never a big part of my education (not that there was anything wrong with that, IMO). :)

I agree with Steve. Especially considering we use a different Bible than the rest of Christianity. Most of my Bible studies in school were studies on the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, the Psalms, the Proverbs, and examples of why we do not take the Bible literally.
 
beattyfamily said:
Can we really get away with having a thread that picks apart, mocks and laughs at other religions in this same way? I really don't think so. I know the OP wasn't intending on this being a Catholic-bashing thread but it's been quite insulting at times. The laughing at our beliefs, for one. I would never ever insult, laugh at or pick apart another's religion. This thread is sad.

The day the Vatican became a politcal entity is the day they opened themselves to criticism from the entire world population.

If people bash the specific people that's different, but mostly I see people disagreeing with church policy.
 

vivilasvegas said:
just to clarify, most Catholics do not believe that the host and wine is actually "the body" of Jesus Christ. Not the physical body. :)

Perhaps most Catholics do not believe this, (and I don't think that's true) but certainly the Roman Catholic Church does. I'd guess it's the cornerstone of Catholicism.
 
DisneyDotty said:
Perhaps most Catholics do not believe this, (and I don't think that's true) but certainly the Roman Catholic Church does. I'd guess it's the cornerstone of Catholicism.


No, the Church does not believe it is the actual body of Christ. And the Catholics I know don't either. :)
 
I agree with these last two posts.

This is not about personal beliefs, or bashing individuals.

What matters here is the beliefs and policies of the roman catholic church. We are discussing the roman catholic church as a huge religious and political multinational organization.
 
vivilasvegas said:
No, the Church does not believe it is the actual body of Christ. And the Catholics I know don't either. :)


Where are you getting this?

Many catholics here on the dis have actually defended the churches beliefs in the transformation of the bread and wine into the actual blood and body of Christ.
 
Wishing on a star said:
I agree with these last two posts.

This is not about personal beliefs, or bashing individuals.

What matters here is the beliefs and policies of the roman catholic church. We are discussing the roman catholic church as a huge religious and political mutlinational organization.

Justify it however you want...it's still hurtful to some practicing Catholics. There's been joking and laughing at our religion. Whatever.
 
I tried to give our families personal reasons for leaving the Catholic church without going in depth into my personal reasons for leaving the church and I guess that really did not answer the question the OP asked. I was really trying not to "bash" the faith because in the end certain things go on in every religion that can be viewed in a negative light. What really drove me away was 1) The entire scandel of sexual child abuse. Evidence emerged that showed that the church was aware of many of the problems and the individuals responsible for the acts. These situations were kept quiet and the church merely reassigned these individuals to other parishes. I sorry but a crime is a crime. The church had a responsibility to their members, to the children, to God to stop these abuses and turn these investigations over to the proper authorities. This whole situation had me severly question the faith I was practising. 2) The whole birth control issue. The Catholic church advocates the use of no birth control other than abstinance or the "rythim method" or what ever the proper term for it is which I can't remeber right now. The church quotes scripture about the spilling of the seed which by the way is also one of the reasons that they find homosexuality so sinful besides the fact that the scripture calls it a sin directly. After consultation with three different priests at three different parishes the conclusion I drew was that the churchs doctrine said you can have sex only if you do so in an attemot to have children, all other times it is sinful. Well right there aren't they contridicting themselves by saying this and at the same time saying the only form or birth control we acknowledge is the rythim method.

Finally I mentioned in an earlier post that we were required to obtain letters from the priest at the church where our chosen Godparents for our children attended. I was told by a later poster this did not happen in her parish. Well thats great, but in the Houston Galveston Diosese it happens. I have numerous friends and relative who are Catholic and record keeping is alive and well here. When ever you go for any sacrement the church creates a file and requires that letters and or documents verifying your Baptism, first communion, confirmation etc. be kept to make sure you have not skipped a step or done what was suppose to be done. The church makes it very difficult to be a member and I'm sorry but in the world I live in I am looking for spirituality, growth in understanding of my faith and walking with Christ in the growth of my faith, not another opportunity to fill out endless forms and perform record keeping. Again, these are the reasons I left the Catholic church and I am not bashing it in any way. These are changes that I could not see coming in the way the church operated and therefore as a family we made the decision to move on. I can honestly say that spritually it was the best decision my family has ever made as we have moved closer to the Lord and deepened our understanding of our faith.
 
Wishing on a star said:
And, you, as catholic, obviously see no problem with this?

I think my point is quite clear.

No, I see no problem with it. We have Bible studies but it is not a cornerstone of the Catholic education. and no, your point is not clear.

I'm not sure how to more clearly convey to you that Catholics use the Bible as a tool and in a completely different way than other denominations.

I find your morally superior tone pretty insulting. Just because my religion places emphasis on things other than the Bible doesn't mean we're inferior.
 
Wishing on a star said:
Where are you getting this?

Many catholics here on the dis have actually defended the churches beliefs in the transformation of the bread and wine into the actual blood and body of Christ.

Symbolic transformation, not actual transformation. :)
 
vivilasvegas said:
No, the Church does not believe it is the actual body of Christ. And the Catholics I know don't either. :)

Really? You don't believe in transubstantiation? The whole mystery? The reason we genuflect in front of the sacristy? The purpose of Mass? Why one must never abuse the Eucharist (eg--spit it out or throw it out)?
I'm seriously not trying to be disrespectful of you, but I'm curious as to what you mean as a Catholic by saying the Eucharist is not the body of Christ. Please clarify. Thanks.
 
DisneyDotty said:
Really? You don't believe in transubstantiation? The whole mystery? The reason we genuflect in front of the sacristy? The purpose of Mass? Why one must never abuse the Eucharist (eg--spit it out or throw it out)?
I'm seriously not trying to be disrespectful of you, but I'm curious as to what you mean as a Catholic by saying the Eucharist is not the body of Christ. Please clarify. Thanks.


Symbolism. :)
 
vivilasvegas said:
Symbolic transformation, not actual transformation. :)

You are certainly wrong when it comes to what the Church believes and teaches...actual parishioners, well, maybe. But it is one of the core beliefs of the Church and one of the differences from other Christian religions.
 
Brer Rabbit, for what it's worth I don't feel you are bashing the RCC. Obviously it wasn't right for you and your family. Totally understandable. Like the quote in my signature states, I believe there is no one true path to enlightenment.
 
DisneyDotty said:
Really? You don't believe in transubstantiation? The whole mystery? The reason we genuflect in front of the sacristy? The purpose of Mass? Why one must never abuse the Eucharist (eg--spit it out or throw it out)?
I'm seriously not trying to be disrespectful of you, but I'm curious as to what you mean as a Catholic by saying the Eucharist is not the body of Christ. Please clarify. Thanks.

I'm curious as well. The whole point of the Sacrament of the Blessed Eucharist is transubstantiation.
 
beattyfamily said:
You are certainly wrong when it comes to what the Church believes and teaches...actual parishioners, well, maybe. But it is one of the core beliefs of the Church and one of the differences from other Christian religions.


well, then I must remember it wrong. I'm sure when I was a child I would have asked a ton of questions about eating someone's body, but maybe I've forgotten. It's been a while since I went to Church.

Well, I guess we've found a reason that I can't really be a Catholic anymore. There is no way I would believe that the bread actually transformed into Christ's body. :)
 
vivilasvegas said:
Symbolism. :)

Respectfully disagreeing here. See, I don't think the Catholic church's stance on this is that the Eucharist is a symbol of Christ. I'm pretty sure the RCC believes it IS Christ. How/why etc. is the huge mystery that we just pretty much accept as a part of our faith. It doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to be a fact. It just is (to those of us who are Catholic.)
And please don't take my harping here the wrong way. I just feel compelled to point this out because getting back to the OP's question of what's "wrong" with Catholicism, I think one problem non-Catholics have with the RCC is its acceptance of this mystery. Many Protestant denominations would agree with you that the bread is symbolic of the Body of Christ.
 
vivilasvegas said:
well, then I must remember it wrong. I'm sure when I was a child I would have asked a ton of questions about eating someone's body, but maybe I've forgotten.

You are so right--this is the hardest part of preparing kids for their First Holy Communion. "Drinking blood? Eating body? Yuk!" Thank goodness our church allows kids to sample unconsecrated host/wine before their big day!
 


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