What's with the Jesus skywriting?

[JennyMominRI]

Could you elaborate on that a bit?

There are levels of Tzedakah ( Charity) in Judaism. Rambam organized the different levels of tzedakah (charity) into a list from the least to the most honorable.

8. When donations are given grudgingly.

7. When one gives less than he should, but does so cheerfully.

6. When one gives directly to the poor upon being asked.

5. When one gives directly to the poor without being asked.

4. When the recipient is aware of the donor's identity, but the donor does not know the identity of the recipient.

3. When the donor is aware of the recipient's identity, but the recipient is unaware of the source.

2.
When the donor and recipient are unknown to each other.

1. The highest form of charity is to help sustain a person before they become impoverished by offering a substantial gift in a dignified manner, or by extending a suitable loan, or by helping them find employment or establish themselves in business so as to make it unnecessary for them to become dependent on others.

 

[BurkeTribe]

And this I can understand and sympathize with, U.R., but if the price of freedom of speech is having some guy write Jesus above Epcot every once in awhile is it really such high price to pay? We all have more important things to worry about right?

The problem is not the essence of the message, and this is really not about Freedom of Speech. It's about use of public resources (the sky). The sky belongs to us all. Allowing this fellow to advertise his opinions on our sky sets the precedent that anyone and any group has to be allowed to do the same. This is a recipe, should corporations and politicians ever decide the price is do-able, for skies full of ads and brief polemics... there is technology (very expensive, thank goodness) that allows 5 planes to fly across the sky in a straight line and create a 20-30 character ad (eight miles long) in minutes (http://sky(dash)writing.com/)... and then they can do another, and probably more, in one flight. Do we really want to see multiple ads sooted across the WDW sky("WONDERBRA," "BUDWEISER,""SHOULDA GONE TO UNIVERSAL")?

We are just lucky currently that the price must be generally too high for the 5 plane humongo-ads. But it can't be that much for the single plane skygraffiti. The only thing probably keeping the megacorporations from doing it, and probably excessively, is potential customer negative reaction that they perceive... and I think they are right-- skygraffiti of any sort clearly makes quite a few WDW visitors unhappy.

 

[Saxsoon]

Huh? So all of the priests or fathers who molested/killed/farmed little children were just darn all right and hunky-dory in your book? They are to obey and "do what you say" just because they are your children??

If your insuinuation is that God created this species to obey him, no matter what, then I have to say...wow. Please don't pass the Cool-Aid Jim.

I'm so not getting this post. Sorry.

I don't think that is what he was trying to say. I read a fascinating book by C.S. Lewis called Mere Christianity. One of the most eye opening for me into understanding my faith. If God forced us into a world without free will, what would be the point? As C.S. Lewis said, it would be a world of automata. I can't begin to understand why God did what He did in the OT. I have seen mention in the Bible parts where certain men's hearts are just locked from God. They have gone so far, they won't return. Maybe that is the reason. I don't know.

This reminds me of a little joke. An athiest ends up sitting next to a minister on a train who was having a fish meal. The athiest starts grilling him about questions on Christianity until he comes to a question the minister can't answer. The athiest said, how can you reconcile your faith now. The man said his faith was like the fish. It tasted great, but when you get to the bones, you set them aside, continue your great meal, and let somebody else get stuck on them.

 

[eclectics]

There are levels of Tzedakah ( Charity) in Judaism. Rambam organized the different levels of tzedakah (charity) into a list from the least to the most honorable.

8. When donations are given grudgingly.

7. When one gives less than he should, but does so cheerfully.

6. When one gives directly to the poor upon being asked.

5. When one gives directly to the poor without being asked.

4. When the recipient is aware of the donor's identity, but the donor does not know the identity of the recipient.

3. When the donor is aware of the recipient's identity, but the recipient is unaware of the source.

2.
When the donor and recipient are unknown to each other.

1. The highest form of charity is to help sustain a person before they become impoverished by offering a substantial gift in a dignified manner, or by extending a suitable loan, or by helping them find employment or establish themselves in business so as to make it unnecessary for them to become dependent on others.

I love learning about Judaism from you Jenny!

 

[4theloveofdisney]

Would you hack them up (or alternatively have your followers do the slaughter), including day-old infants and pregnant women, for something that their greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat(insert many more "great"s) grandparents did to your followers?

Is this something any omnipotent and "Good" being would do?

Been struggling how to write this...and thank you that you did.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I just want to be post #666 on this thread.

 

[Saxsoon]

I just want to be post #666 on this thread.

And here we thought it was Remus after he got 666 on the last Christian thread. Now out out out!

 

[4theloveofdisney]

I don't think that is what he was trying to say. I read a fascinating book by C.S. Lewis called Mere Christianity. One of the most eye opening for me into understanding my faith. If God forced us into a world without free will, what would be the point? As C.S. Lewis said, it would be a world of automata. I can't begin to understand why God did what He did in the OT. I have seen mention in the Bible parts where certain men's hearts are just locked from God. They have gone so far, they won't return. Maybe that is the reason. I don't know.

We will never know and that is just is. What is so wrong with letting people feel how they feel and believe in what they believe even it it's Allah vs. God vs. Mother Earth vs. a person with good morals living a good life and no solid attachment to a "GOD"?

Why do we all think that our belief's rise above all others? I don't know!

 

[4theloveofdisney]

And here we thought it was Remus after he got 666 on the last Christian thread. Now out out out!

It's only a number. It's you who give it "power".

 

[Saxsoon]

We will never know and that is just is. What is so wrong with letting people feel how they feel and believe in what they believe even it it's Allah vs. God vs. Mother Earth vs. a person with good morals living a good life and no solid attachment to a "GOD"?

Why do we all think that our belief's rise above all others? I don't know!

I don't think I ever said they don't have a right to believe that way. Of course I will feel I chose the right religion, or else I wouldn't be a Christian. Same can be said of any religion. I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone, or at least not intending too. If I had, I am sorry.

 

[Uncle Remus]

I just want to be post #666 on this thread.

 

[jekajekalynn]

I haven't read all this thread... but

Boy was I wrong about what this thread was about... I though someone thought they saw Jesus skywriting.. My next thought was, "I didn't know Jesus had a airplane pilots license."

 

[Uncle Remus]

I haven't read all this thread... but

Boy was I wrong about what this thread was about... I though someone thought they saw Jesus skywriting.. My next thought was, "I didn't know Jesus had a airplane pilots license."

 

[Mugg Mann]

Back atcha, Unc......

 

[lovethattink]

Just to clarify - I never said this concept was in the bible. This is my concept. To me, God would be more likely to reward people try to better themselves or find a way to overcome bad times on their own power instead of just sitting around asking God to do all the work. Just seriously ticks me off when I see people sitting on their backends saying God will provide when they are capable of providing for themselves. Just my opinion

Ok, I think I understand where you're coming from.

My grandma thought like that. When she passed away, we discovered that she was determined to provide for herself. She was eligible for Welfare, but refused to let any of us know how "poor" she really was. Through being great at budgeting, she was able to stretch almost nothing into something. She refused to be a burden to anyone, either state or family. And trust me, had we known, we all would had given her the world.

 

[Joyce Kingkade]

There are levels of Tzedakah ( Charity) in Judaism. Rambam organized the different levels of tzedakah (charity) into a list from the least to the most honorable.

8. When donations are given grudgingly.

7. When one gives less than he should, but does so cheerfully.

6. When one gives directly to the poor upon being asked.

5. When one gives directly to the poor without being asked.

4. When the recipient is aware of the donor's identity, but the donor does not know the identity of the recipient.

3. When the donor is aware of the recipient's identity, but the recipient is unaware of the source.

2.
When the donor and recipient are unknown to each other.

1. The highest form of charity is to help sustain a person before they become impoverished by offering a substantial gift in a dignified manner, or by extending a suitable loan, or by helping them find employment or establish themselves in business so as to make it unnecessary for them to become dependent on others.

I love learning this, thanks. I also believe Jewish law requires 10% be given, right? It is also used along with two other actions to gain forgiveness or to cancel a judgment G_d has made on someone. Along with Teshuvah, which means repentence and Tefilah which is prayer. Prayer to Jehovah - the all knowing, all powerful G_d. I also love that Tzedakah is an obligation extended to both the Jew and the Gentile. Just Humankind! Love it!

 

[JennyMominRI]

I love learning this, thanks. I also believe Jewish law requires 10% be given, right? It is also used along with two other actions to gain forgiveness or to cancel a judgment G_d has made on someone. Along with Teshuvah, which means repentence and Tefilah which is prayer. I also love that Tzedakah is an obligation extended to both the Jew and the Gentile. Just Humankind! Love it!

I believe Teshuvah literally means *the Return*

According to Jewish law, we are required to give one-tenth of our income to the poor. This is generally interpreted as one-tenth of our net income after payment of taxes. Those who are dependent on public assistance or living on the edge of subsistence may give less; no person should give so much that he would become a public burden.

The obligation to perform tzedakah can be fulfilled by giving money to the poor, to health care institutions, to synagogues or to educational institutions. It can also be fulfilled by supporting your children beyond the age when you are legally required to, or supporting your parents in their old age. The obligation includes giving to both Jews and gentiles; contrary to popular belief, Jews do not just "take care of our own."

 

[4theloveofdisney]

I don't think I ever said they don't have a right to believe that way. Of course I will feel I chose the right religion, or else I wouldn't be a Christian. Same can be said of any religion. I am not forcing my beliefs on anyone, or at least not intending too. If I had, I am sorry.

I wasn't referring to "you" specifically. Sorry!

 

[Saxsoon]

No problem. There are two things I can't tell on the internet. One of them is the plural you.

 

[bgirldeb]

I haven't read all this thread... but

Boy was I wrong about what this thread was about... I though someone thought they saw Jesus skywriting.. My next thought was, "I didn't know Jesus had a airplane pilots license."