What's the deal with add-ons and DVC membership numbers?

[dis-happy]

There was a note about this in another thread, but I can't remember. We just got out membership cards for our first re-sell contract, and now just passed rofr on a second contract. The second contract is a different resort and different UY. Will our membership number be the same for both contracts? Do we need to do something before closing to make them the same? Or will they always be different and that's just the way it is? Seems a little complicated when we make ressies.

Thanks all!!!

 

[Granny]

They will always have different member ID numbers....the two contracts cannot be combined and will always be treated as separate contracts by MS.

You will get a second set of membership cards. And you will see that the "Member Since" will reflect when the original points were purchased, not your resale date.

It can be a little complicated when you make reservations. You will probably need to bank and borrow on both contracts to alternate using them at the 11 month window.

Or you can wait until 7 months before your vacation date and make the reservation using both contracts.

It's a little bit of work owning two different resorts with two different use years, but we've done so with no problems yet!

Good luck.

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by Granny

You will get a second set of membership cards. And you will see that the "Member Since" will reflect when the original points were purchased, not your resale date.

Hmmmm, I did an add on in August, and haven't gotten new cards as of yet, and when I called to see if my points were available yet, MS was able to give me both point totals available using my old membership number. Of course when you do an add on they give you the same use year anyway, unless you buy resale.

 

[Granny]

Originally posted by Coach Rick
Hmmmm, I did an add on in August, and haven't gotten new cards as of yet, and when I called to see if my points were available yet, MS was able to give me both point totals available using my old membership number. Of course when you do an add on they give you the same use year anyway, unless you buy resale.

The OP mentioned that the contracts were resales...used the term add-on loosely as we tend to do around here.

Yes, if you add on through Disney you will always get the same use year.

 

[beequeen]

When I bought an add-on, my guide told me that only if you add-on through Disney will your membership no. and use year be the same. He seemd to think this was an advantage of buying through disney.

 

[Nanajo1]

We've bought 2 add-ons from Disney,and 2 resales. All had the same UY as our original contract and we have the same membership number for them. We bought a small resale with a different UY and got a new member number.

 

[SleepyatDVC]

The member number stays the same for contracts with the same UY. It's when you have different UY's (even at the same resort) that a second member # is generated.

 

[magicalmcwho]

The resale agent told me that if i had a different UY that i would get a separate member number when purchasing a resale at VWL. The benefit of having two numbers is that you will be able to transfer in points into to one and transfer points out of the other one. Correct me if this is wrong?

Jim.

 

[Beca]

Originally posted by magicalmcwho
The resale agent told me that if i had a different UY that i would get a separate member number when purchasing a resale at VWL. The benefit of having two numbers is that you will be able to transfer in points into to one and transfer points out of the other one. Correct me if this is wrong?

Jim.

You're right!!!



Beca

 

[Caskbill]

Originally posted by beequeen
When I bought an add-on, my guide told me that only if you add-on through Disney will your membership no. and use year be the same. He seemd to think this was an advantage of buying through disney.

This is correct in that points with two or more contracts that are 'true' add-on's can be combined for banking purposes but two contracts with different contract numbers cannot. Note that Disney add-on's have the same contract number as the original contract except with a suffix such as -001, -002, etc. A resale contract would have a totally different contract number, that is, the number assigned when the original owner bought the contract from Disney.

The banking advantage is as follows:

Member "A" has two contracts, one for 200 points and the other for 100 points, each with the same use year and resort for 300 points total. The 2nd contract was purchased from Disney and has the same contract number as the original, with the suffix as stated.

Member "B" has the exact same thing except the 2nd contract was purchased resale and has a totally different contract number.

Both members have 300 points in two contracts. Both members use 150 points from the their 200 point contracts for a vacation and both bank the remaining 50 points. This leaves them each with 50 banked points and 100 points in contract #2 not banked.

They both get to the 50% banking window and want to bank their remaining 100 point contracts. Member "A" can bank all 100 points because his combined point total is 300 points meaning he can have up to 150 banked. Since he has 50 already banked he can bank the other 100. This gives him 150 banked points, or 50% of his total.

Member "B" cannot bank all 100 points as it's a separate contract. He can only bank 50 points because 50 points is 50% of 100 points which is what that contract is. He cannot combine contracts to set banking limits. Each contract is handled totally separately.

In this example I used the same resort but they could be different resorts such as the first contract at OKW and the 2nd at SSR. This makes no difference and the banking scenario as given above is still the same.

With Disney add-on's they will be the same use year so banking windows at 100%, 50% and 25% will be the same dates for both contracts. For a resale contract these dates are the same as the original contract if it's the same use year, but will be different if the two contracts have different use years.

Aside from this difference in banking I cannot see any other difference in having a true Disney add-on over a resale except that having a resale contract takes a little more point management work than having a Disney add-on.

 

[Caskbill]

Originally posted by magicalmcwho
The resale agent told me that if i had a different UY that i would get a separate member number when purchasing a resale at VWL. The benefit of having two numbers is that you will be able to transfer in points into to one and transfer points out of the other one. Correct me if this is wrong?

Jim.

That's correct but I wouldn't call it a benefit. If the 2nd contract was a true Disney add-on then no transfer is required and you can combine the points when making reservations or following banking procedures. With an add-on you have to go through the extra step of making the transfer. Also, with a transfer, once points are moved they cannot be moved back. Finally keep in mind that transferred points are suppose to maintain their original resort and use year (In the past the DVC computers haven't been doing that but word is that this glitch is being (or has been?) corrected).

So even if points are transferred, the 11-month windows and banking windows still apply separately to those points. (Again, when the computers are fully corrected according to correct DVC procedures.)

 

[Dean]

Here's the deal very simply.

• If it's a different use year, it will be separate contracts whether it's resale or from DVC.
• If you buy an add on (less than 150), it'll be the same use year and fall under the same number. Though for selling purposes, it's still a separate contract. Remember that to combine the contracts, the legal names has to be EXACTLY the same for ALL people.
• If you buy resale and it's the same use year, DVC would like to put them together if they know to. If they don't, you may get a totally separate number and not be able to combine them. They will not go back after the fact and combine them.

So if buying resale and it's the same use year, make sure you tell them to combine.

 

[magicalmcwho]

Hi Caskbill,

I was thinking in terms of trading points with another DVC member. Both members have two contracts. We could then swap points between the two contracts.

First member - BWV and OKW
Second member(me) - SSR and VWL

I could transfer my VWL points to OKW and first member could transfer BWV to my SSR. Once again correct me if i am wrong.

Thanks, Jim.

 

[SleepyatDVC]

Originally posted by Caskbill
A resale contract would have a totally different contract number, that is, the number assigned when the original owner bought the contract from Disney.

The banking advantage is as follows:

Member "A" has two contracts, one for 200 points and the other for 100 points, each with the same use year and resort for 300 points total. The 2nd contract was purchased from Disney and has the same contract number as the original, with the suffix as stated.

Member "B" has the exact same thing except the 2nd contract was purchased resale and has a totally different contract number.


With Disney add-on's they will be the same use year so banking windows at 100%, 50% and 25% will be the same dates for both contracts. For a resale contract these dates are the same as the original contract if it's the same use year, but will be different if the two contracts have different use years.

Aside from this difference in banking I cannot see any other difference in having a true Disney add-on over a resale except that having a resale contract takes a little more point management work than having a Disney add-on.

Dean is correct again (was there any doubt). If you buy a resale as an add-on with the SAME UY as your original contract and DVC knows you already have an existing contract, they will assign the SAME contract number with the suffix -002 for the resale contract. So, in this case, absolutely no difference then buying an add-on through DVC. However, the ownership must be exactly the same so that DVC can match them together.

In our case, we lucked out. We bought two separate resale contracts at 2 different resorts but with the same UY about 1-2 months apart. We used two different closing services. We never thought to inform DVC about "linking" the two contracts. But they realized that they were for the same people and only assigned one contract number to us for both resale contracts and just added the suffix -001 and -002 to it. So, we only have one member number also.

 

[Caskbill]

Originally posted by magicalmcwho
Hi Caskbill,

I was thinking in terms of trading points with another DVC member. Both members have two contracts. We could then swap points between the two contracts.

First member - BWV and OKW
Second member(me) - SSR and VWL

I could transfer my VWL points to OKW and first member could transfer BWV to my SSR. Once again correct me if i am wrong.

Thanks, Jim.

I don't see the point in all the transfers. At 7-months you can use points from any resort to stay at any other resort.

Transferred points are to retain their original resort identification so if you're looking at getting more points for the 11-month window it won't work (Assuming DVC has finally fixed the computer glitch they had on this). If your friend transferred his BWV points to your SSR contract, they can't be combined with your SSR points to be used at 11-months for an SSR reservation. You'd still have to wait to 7-months. So if that's the case, why transfer at all, just use your VWL and SSR points at 7-months to make an SSR reservation.

Also I believe there are certain limits on transfers. (I'm not up to date on this as this has been changed a lot over the years) so you'd need to check into that. You can call MS to see what current policy is.

 

[magicalmcwho]

Caskbill,

I was thinking in terms of booking at 11 month window for BWV, not combining with VWL or SSR. This would give me 11 month window without having to do an add-on at BWV. The same for the other member i transfered VWL points to.

Thanks for your reply,

Jim.