What will Cars Land WDW look like?

[Astridia]

My guess is right about the time they finish DTD Disney will announce something solid about DHS. As we know Disney hates doing too many things at once even if it is as obvious as a slap in the face that it should be done yesterday.

If Disney hates doing too many things at once why is there: Hub construction at MK, the DTD project, Pandora at AK, and the polynesian DVC happening simultaneously? All of these areas are torn up. I don't think Disney cares about having too many construction projects, but I don't think they want to properly fund all of the construction projects.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Third party construction availability is not the issue...

If they wanted it built- there would be people lining up to do it.

Building things has never been a problem in Orlando.

If anything - it's staffing what you build at minimum wage that's the problem. A key wdw issue that has influenced their decisions since the 90's.

And as pointed out - the will to spend the money to build. Disney can spend whatever they want - but they are now pouring it into two blackholes in china and France with no real end in sight.

 

[DDLand]

OK so that's why when I was there last month all of the construcions zones at Universal were hives of activity, while the ones at WDW were abandoned? Actually, the Polynesian had a lot of construction workers. If disney wanted to pay, the construction would be complete, but they don't care.

That's not in line with what Articos who appears to work on these projects says. He makes it clear that there are real labor and contractor shortages. I think to an extent what you're saying is true, but that's a vast oversimplification.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

That's not in line with what Articos who appears to work on these projects says. He makes it clear that there are real labor and contractor shortages. I think to an extent what you're saying is true, but that's a vast oversimplification.

If you have deep pockets and a schedule...you call Turner or Hill or some large firm and they bring the people in...

"Shortage" is a convenient excuse

 

[Astridia]

That's not in line with what Articos who appears to work on these projects says. He makes it clear that there are real labor and contractor shortages. I think to an extent what you're saying is true, but that's a vast oversimplification.

So why is construction at Universal going full speed ahead? What I saw was very active construction sites throughout the property. There are workers available if Disney wanted to pay for them, but they choose to pool their labor resources into building DVC since that's the money maker.

I know you are going to find excuses for Disney's business practices at every opportunity, but face it, Disney could get things done if they so desired. Obviously they're in no hurry, unless of course it's DVC!

 

[SalutemyShorts]

To touch on the Universal vs. Disney construction speed, Disney has the lions share of the market when it comes to attendance. There are far fewer people who take just Universal trips, or that spend the majority of their time in Universal. Universal is playing catch up, and have been doing quite a good job with that, but they know they have a lot more ground to make up for.

On a side note, I think the majority of people would agree that Universal is doing a much better job at merchandising overall, but especially with the Wizarding World. It was a prime property with tons of merchandise already in the book. I mean look at butterbeer I'd have to imagine that it's a really low cost item to produce. With at around $5 a piece Universal had already sold 5 million by December of 2012 so in about two year that was $25 million dollars worth of just butterbeer sold. It's crazy, and encouraging for Universal to want to keep innovating.

 

[Astridia]

To touch on the Universal vs. Disney construction speed, Disney has the lions share of the market when it comes to attendance. There are far fewer people who take just Universal trips, or that spend the majority of their time in Universal. Universal is playing catch up, and have been doing quite a good job with that, but they know they have a lot more ground to make up for.

I don't think I would complain about the pace of Disney's construction if there was activity at every site, or if they only had one site going at a time. But here's my big complaint: Everything is ripped up, looking crappy, and abandoned. Also, there are traffic detours at MK, AK, DTD, and Polynesian thanks to all of the construction zones. This is a major PIA.

If Disney doesn't want to spend money on all of these projects at once, why not work on one project at a time, from start to finish?

 

[ArwenMarie]

What is "Frozen Summer Fun"? A show?

It's a bunch of stuff at DHS...An Anna and Elsa procession (not a parade, it's about 5 minutes long tops), a sing-a-long show, and a little show and fireworks at night. And then they try to sell a "Premium Package" for it which seems to have cupcakes and reserved spots for the events. That's about it.

Seeing where Disney focuses their construction resources - in your example the Polynesian (meaning DVC) - shows where their priorities lie.

They're not even finished with the Polynesian and we've already seen plans for Wilderness Lodge work and permits filed. No plans visible yet for anything with Pixar or Star Wars material. Wouldn't surprise me in the least that the next resort to have more DVC added is already the subject of future planning meetings. Probably already have the schematics drawn up and a pretty model sitting on a table.

The proof's in the pudding. Disney can build what they want when they want.

Exactly.

 

[SalutemyShorts]

I don't think I would complain about the pace of Disney's construction if there was activity at every site, or if they only had one site going at a time. But here's my big complaint: Everything is ripped up, looking crappy, and abandoned. Also, there are traffic detours at MK, AK, DTD, and Polynesian thanks to all of the construction zones. This is a major PIA.

If Disney doesn't want to spend money on all of these projects at once, why not work on one project at a time, from start to finish?

Don't get me wrong, I think Disney's rate of construction is complete garbage. I'm just pointing out a reason Universal is rushing to get stuff done.

 

[rteetz]

I don't think I would complain about the pace of Disney's construction if there was activity at every site, or if they only had one site going at a time. But here's my big complaint: Everything is ripped up, looking crappy, and abandoned. Also, there are traffic detours at MK, AK, DTD, and Polynesian thanks to all of the construction zones. This is a major PIA.

If Disney doesn't want to spend money on all of these projects at once, why not work on one project at a time, from start to finish?

With projects like the hub they can only work at night so not seeing activity is understandable. It also seems that the vast majority of the rivers of light work at AK happens at night as well. The poly is of course a money maker so they want that done yesterday. The GF DVC barely finished and poly was started, now we see the poly is barely finished and WL is going to start.

 

[Astridia]

With projects like the hub they can only work at night so not seeing activity is understandable.

I'm really glad Universal doesn't share this work ethic. Is this also the excuse for DTD?

 

[rteetz]

I'm really glad Universal doesn't share this work ethic. Is this also the excuse for DTD?

I would assume some of the areas yes but I have seen workers during the day at DTD as well.

 

[SalutemyShorts]

I'm really glad Universal doesn't share this work ethic. Is this also the excuse for DTD?

I don't think you understand how logistically it wouldn't work to have construction going on in the Hub during the middle of the day.

 

[Astridia]

I don't think you understand how logistically it wouldn't work to have construction going on in the Hub during the middle of the day.

OK that's one site. What about DTD and AK? Sorry, but I think things could be done more quickly if Disney was motivated, but they're not. I will also bet that all of their current projects will remain unfinished ( except the Poly) when they start construction on their next DVC.

 

[SalutemyShorts]

OK that's one site. What about DTD and AK? Sorry, but I think things could be done more quickly if Disney was motivated, but they're not. I will also bet that all of their current projects will remain unfinished ( except the Poly) when they start construction on their next DVC.

Are you honestly not reading what people are saying? I've already explicitly said that they're awful with getting construction done quickly. Rteetz is pointing a few of the places where they legitimately have reason for not working during the day, when he's also said many times that Disney are far too slow on construction. I'm just saying, please actually read what people are saying.

 

[Astridia]

I'm reading what you're saying, you keep mentioning the hub, as if that's the only place where construction is happening. I'm talking about the big picture and you're focused on one area, the hub. What's the excuse for DTD? I'm sorry that you think I'm not reading what's being said, I am.

All I am trying to say is if Disney were motivated, these projects would be completed.

 

[rteetz]

OK that's one site. What about DTD and AK? Sorry, but I think things could be done more quickly if Disney was motivated, but they're not. I will also bet that all of their current projects will remain unfinished ( except the Poly) when they start construction on their next DVC.

AVatar is off away from guest areas. I have seen in several instances work being done on avatar. The rivers of light construction I believe is done at night. DVC moves much fast because of the return they get on it and the DVC projects tend to be smaller scale and affect less guest areas than say the MK hub.

 

[rteetz]

I'm reading what you're saying, you keep mentioning the hub, as if that's the only place where construction is happening. I'm talking about the big picture and you're focused on one area, the hub. What's the excuse for DTD? I'm sorry that you think I'm not reading what's being said, I am.

All I am trying to say is if Disney were motivated, these projects would be completed.

DTD is being done in phases. I don't know why they are so slow on building parking garages but I have seen plenty of workers during the day at DTD.

 

[disneydennis]

People are starting to forget that families are on vacation, and seeing all the walls is enough. Hearing the construction is one thing they are sure to want to avoid happening. There is an illusion of magic that is trying to be maintained. Every day we see new updates of progress that has been going on in all of these areas, Thanks Rteetz and others for those.
Also it needs to be pointed out, that Disney keeps most of the parks, with the exception of AK open later, then the "competition". So they are limited in the time they work on things. Also the "competition" doesn't care about their guests seeing things happening, their walls are lower, as an example. And they are working on one hotel, and one land at a time, so things tend to get done quicker. Some of this is common sense, but its becoming a typical thread of Doom and Gloom.
I'd rather them take their time and do it when it won't interfere with someones once in a lifetime vacation. But I guess thats just me.

 

[disneydennis]

DTD is being done in phases. I don't know why they are so slow on building parking garages but I have seen plenty of workers during the day at DTD.

As for the Parking garages, from my understanding aren't they being funded and done by Orange County workers?