What to do about a dog in a room...

[skelooch]

I'm curious as to how many of the posters or readers of this thread regardless if they would say nothing or would report it, would want to be told by the front desk that the previous guest had an animal in the room, and if so would they request a reassignment.

 

[DVCconvert]

I have one question for all of you who would "say nothing". Would you also "say nothing" if you saw a crime being committed? As far as I can tell, it's the same mentality. If you "say nothing" it doesn't matter if it's something of this caliber, or a rape or muging. The problem in our society is that too many people are of the "say nothing" mind set. Thank God that street vendor in New York wasn't of that mindset!!!

Sorry Diane, but this is way off the mark.
Having an animal, service or otherwise in a hotel/timeshare room is no way near or equal to the level of :
"a rape" or "a muging" or the analogy of the the street vendor who saw smoke pouring out of a parked car in times square. Not even close.
Even IF someone incorrectly kept an animal in a hotel room - there is NO COMPARISON to a rape or an act of terrorism.

In it's simpliest form, the animal thing is a violation of a private companies policy. In comparison, one forceably imposing oneself on an other human in a sexual sense is A CRIME. Killing, maiming hords of people in an act of terrorism IS A CRIME.

 

[gkrykewy]

So what did the OP do? Or was this just a social experiment or spousal bet settling?

 

[MissMet]

I remember being in Epcot and seeing a lady in an ECV and she had a Yorkie in the basket. It was a service animal and the yorkie was not wearing anything to note that, so you never know.

Personally, I wouldn't bother with saying anything, but that's me.

 

[Deb & Bill]

using the logic being shown on this thread I guess we should assume people in wheel chairs are just trying to get to the head of the line.. Sorry I must be far to trusting of my fellow man or woman, there are a lot more things to worry about in this day. I'll just assume the dog is there for a good reason and be glad I don't need help to get through the day.

Wheelchairs are not illegal in DVC villas and Disney and the resorts will even provide them to guests. DVC and Disney does not provide animals for the rooms. Big difference.

 

[Steamboat Girlie]

So what did the OP do? Or was this just a social experiment or spousal bet settling?

I know!!!! I've been reading this for 7 pages, and am waiting for the punch line!
What happened?

 

[DVCconvert]

Steamboat Girlie said:

I've been reading this for 7 pages, and am waiting for the punch line!
What happened?

Here is the OP's "follow up" post ( # 67)

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=36516636&postcount=67

condensed verison - OP did nothing and checked out the next morning

 

[Nikisha421]

Steamboat Girlie said:


Here is the OP's "follow up" post ( # 67)

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=36516636&postcount=67

condensed verison - OP did nothing and checked out the next morning

Glad I only read the first page and the last page...saved me some energy

 

[MaumeeMom]

I'm curious as to how many of the posters or readers of this thread regardless if they would say nothing or would report it, would want to be told by the front desk that the previous guest had an animal in the room, and if so would they request a reassignment.

With my DS's allergies, I would definitely ask for a different room.

 

[franandaj]

Steamboat Girlie said:


Here is the OP's "follow up" post ( # 67)

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=36516636&postcount=67

condensed verison - OP did nothing and checked out the next morning

Sorry to disappoint those who would have called it in immediately, but I shared everyone's feelings on this board (from "leave it alone and let karma take it's place" to "I don't want my dues to go up because of someone else's stupidity") and didn't know how to react. By the time the overwhelming responses to "call it in" started to come in, I couldn't remember exactly which room I saw the dog in, and had tucked myslef in for the night, so I couldn't have gone around knocking on doors to ask, "Do you have a dog in there?". However, I know for the future to note down the room number and head directly for the front desk if I see it again, which is highly likely with the amount I stay and nature of Californians and their dogs.

It makes me wonder though how someone could have got a dog into the resort without being seen because it's not like OKW or SSR where you have multiple entrances to the units. At the VCG there are only two entrances to the tower, the main entrance and the one from the BBQ's. I would imagine they would have had to sneak the dog in through the BBQ entrance if it were not a bonafide service dog, unless the CMs who worked the Valet area turned their backs while they walked a non service dog in the entrance.

Perhaps it is very likely that it was a bonafide SD, I didn't know that little dogs could also be certified, I thought only larger dogs like labs and Golden Retrievers became service dogs. Now that I am better informed I will defnitely go directly to the registration desk if I see something like this again. And I will be trolling the hallways at least for a few more visits because I want to figure out where all the best rooms are for WoC views and DL Fireworks!

Thanks for your help!

 

[dianeschlicht]

Sorry Diane, but this is way off the mark.
Having an animal, service or otherwise in a hotel/timeshare room is no way near or equal to the level of :
"a rape" or "a muging" or the analogy of the the street vendor who saw smoke pouring out of a parked car in times square. Not even close.
Even IF someone incorrectly kept an animal in a hotel room - there is NO COMPARISON to a rape or an act of terrorism.

In it's simpliest form, the animal thing is a violation of a private companies policy. In comparison, one forceably imposing oneself on an other human in a sexual sense is A CRIME. Killing, maiming hords of people in an act of terrorism IS A CRIME.

You missed my point. My point was not that this was a "crime" (go back and read that part), but that the "say nothing" attitude of today's society is what is at fault.

 

[dianeschlicht]

This is exactly my point as well ............. the mentality to just "let it go" - it isn't MY problem - IS the problem. In every aspect of society - I personally believe that is WHY there are so many who "break the rules" or commit crimes or whatever, everyone just "lets it go" - I think that's why some kids are so out of control, parents just "let it go" - the list goes on and on............ people have to realize that the "letting it go" mentality is the problem - there are rules, follow them or face the consequences.......... in this "let it go" mentality, even the consequences are not adequate in a lot of cases............... I know, I know, I need to get off my soapbox............ but really, if you see someone doing something that YOU believe is wrong or breaking the rules, say something, it's a lot easier for you to apologize if you are wrong, than what the outcome could be for someone if you don't speak up!!!!

OK - I'm "letting this go" now............. I've said my peace!!!

Yes, you got my point exactly!

 

[dcamdad]

You missed my point. My point was not that this was a "crime" (go back and read that part), but that the "say nothing" attitude of today's society is what is at fault.

I agree 100% and certainly expect those on here that would look the other way to be the first in line when DVC needs additional fees/dues to cover pet damage or cleaning.

 

[DVCconvert]

I'm sorry Diane if I misinterpreted your comments.

I agree 100% and certainly expect those on here that would look the other way to be the first in line when DVC needs additional fees/dues to cover pet damage or cleaning.

Actually no DVC dues issues should arise from either "illegal" animals or service animals


From ADA

People with disabilities who use service animals cannot be charged extra fees, isolated from other patrons, or treated less favorably than other patrons. However, if a business such as a hotel normally charges guests for damage that they cause, a customer with a disability may be charged for damage caused by his or her service animal.

 

[BEASLYBOO]

Let it go mentality, Wow! How about the "Always assume wrong doing mentality". I'm not in pre-school where I need to tattle tale on my neighbors. The most important factor here in this whole discussion is the presumption of guilt. There is nothing to indicate that the dog is not a service dog. Every one is entitled to their opinion and to do what they feel is best. If you feel the need to call MS, do so but don't berate me or equate my choice not to call with the idea that I would let a rapist, murderer or the like go free by looking the other way. I follow DVC rules, I don't push more people in a villa than I'm allowed, I don't pool hop where I'm not allowed but regarding the dog, at 1st sight, it's strictly an assumption, not a fact that a rule has been broken. Also, there is a huge difference in breaking a rule and committing a crime/felony!

In closing, my last post on the subject, Yes Wendypooh, I whole heartedly agree "but really, if you see someone doing something that YOU believe is wrong or breaking the rules, say something,

and at this point from the info given, there's nothing that leads me to believe that something is wrong or that a rule has been broken. If your perception is different than mine, then so be it, call. My presumption is that most people do follow the rules!

 

[Dean]

Actually no DVC dues issues should arise from either "illegal" animals or service animals

I do not believe that is accurate. While DVC can charge the offender for damages if they know, often they do not know and the damages end up being covered by the general membership. A room with an animal is also likely to need more maint in general than a room without, again we all pay for that. I would suspect they have specific rooms they tend to use when service animals are present if they know that's the case. So as I see it there are dues issues that we are all paying for now AND dues issues that we will all pay for extra in many cases as well.

Also, Timeshares in general tend to fall more under the condo rules rather than the hotels rules which creates some differences. I do realize that one could argue either way with Disney and DVC due to their set up and rental methods.

 

[DVCconvert]

I do not believe that is accurate. While DVC can charge the offender for damages if they know, often they do not know and the damages end up being covered by the general membership. A room with an animal is also likely to need more maint in general than a room without, again we all pay for that. I would suspect they have specific rooms they tend to use when service animals are present if they know that's the case. So as I see it there are dues issues that we are all paying for now AND dues issues that we will all pay for extra in many cases as well.

Also, Timeshares in general tend to fall more under the condo rules rather than the hotels rules which creates some differences. I do realize that one could argue either way with Disney and DVC due to their set up and rental methods.

I do not believe that is correct. Whereas violations are likely to be reported (as evidenced by this thread) I doubt there is any significant amount of damages to units that cannot be charged back to the occupants. Also whereas DVC/Disney have policies enabling them to charge for damages not even a "legal" service animals damage (if any) would have to be eaten by members. There no doubt is, some small amount of maintenence and upkeep that all members pay for attributable to this, but I suspect it's pale when compared to say basic animal like behaviors of guests/members or children that are never charged back to the occupant but rather charged off as a cost of doing business. I'd have to see some hard numbers to believe that guests/members visiting who have animals of any sort (service or not) is larger than something like 1 out of 50,000.....whatever the number is...the point being the issue is soooo small it's not going to have a material effect.

 

[Dean]

I do not believe that is correct. Whereas violations are likely to be reported (as evidenced by this thread) I doubt there is any significant amount of damages to units that cannot be charged back to the occupants. Also whereas DVC/Disney have policies enabling them to charge for damages not even a "legal" service animals damage (if any) would have to be eaten by members. There no doubt is, some small amount of maintenence and upkeep that all members pay for attributable to this, but I suspect it's pale when compared to say basic animal like behaviors of guests/members or children that are never charged back to the occupant but rather charged off as a cost of doing business. I'd have to see some hard numbers to believe that guests/members visiting who have animals of any sort (service or not) is larger than something like 1 out of 50,000.....whatever the number is...the point being the issue is soooo small it's not going to have a material effect.

I think we're saying the same things other than varying on our interpretation of the degrees involved. The cleaning for a unit where an animal was is quite extensive and quite costly and that is covered by members. I personally think the extra wear and tear and costs associated even from normal use is significant as well. Whether it's less than a spring break crowd is irrelevant IMO as it's additive to other damages. Certainly there are other innappropriate damages that increase costs that are covered by members and these include room stuffing, slobs, those with young children and many more. However, there is going to be maintanance needed over time even with "normal" wear and tear, the question as it applies here is what are the extra costs.

 

[DVCconvert]

..... the question as it applies here is what are the extra costs.

Agreed and to what extent and impact any extra cost might have on the dues structure. This is, of course, only information that DVC would possess.

 

[keishashadow]

I'm curious as to how many of the posters or readers of this thread regardless if they would say nothing or would report it, would want to be told by the front desk that the previous guest had an animal in the room, and if so would they request a reassignment.

DVC gets sold out on popular dates. we ran into a issue a few years ago & just had to be patient until exterminators came next day & made things right

assume a DVCer highly allergic to a previous service animal in room would be in same boat waiting for extensive scrub down/carpet cleaning

perhaps they could allocate more HC rooms, then modify for service animal usage (tile floor, etc.)?