What price would you put on Blue perks?

[Sandisw]

I would be interested to hear more about where this originates. If wholly accurate, and DVC will not be creating new DVC offerings after the GFV2 and RIV are sold out at WDW, what will they be selling between that future date and 2042? Especially if they make the bulk of their money selling new contracts directly, as has been often suggested on these boards.

New ones will come around at some point, but other than DLT, nothing new to be announced.

If this goes well with VGF, we may see more rooms from the deluxe hotels going to DVC with quick changes.

But, nothing is to say they won’t make it a new association as a new resort restricted from resale. It could be done like CCV and BRV was done.

Many believe that BWV and BCV will come back as new resorts restricted from those buying resale today.

So, there are benefits to going direct if those things matter to you, I won’t do resale again because RIV is my favorite and my adult kids will be going for years beyond 2042 so having unrestricted points is important and worth spending more now for the potential of the future.

DVD has never made any changes to the program that limits points when you buy from them and IMO, they never will.

 

[BeachClub2014]

New ones will come around at some point, but other than DLT, nothing new to be announced.

If this goes well with VGF, we may see more rooms from the deluxe hotels going to DVC with quick changes.

But, nothing is to say they won’t make it a new association as a new resort restricted from resale. It could be done like CCV and BRV was done.

Many believe that BWV and BCV will come back as new resorts restricted from those buying resale today.

Totally agree with you on these points. That's kind of what I was getting at with my question and post. VGF2, RIV, and DLT are all near-term sales assets for DVC and they can't possibly stretch those until 2042. Given that, something new will have to be offered for sale after the next 3-5 years, and before 2042. If someone is planning on additional future purchases, the answer to that question definitely suggests it could be something to factor when making decisions over buying direct or resale now.

 

[eandt]

I'm looking at buying SSR for annual trips (once per year).

There's about a 15k difference between resale and direct.

If I buy 150 points direct for perks and the rest resale it's about a 6.5k difference.

If I buy direct I can't imagine ever getting 15k value from perks via discounts etc but being able to book future resorts is a plus.

If I buy a mix, I wouldn't have enough points on a 150 point direct contract to use at new resorts unless I did split stays (I'm not sure if I'd want to do that often) or used 3 years of points at once.

So, are the incidental perks - discounts, moonlight nights, Epcot lounge etc worth 6.5k? 15k?

I don't really know if the Sorcerer pass is competitive comapred to the UK 2 week tickets (which include Memory Maker and water parks) but with some planning I could make a Sorcerer pass last two trips.

What would you do?

After spending months looking at resale sites and bidding on several contracts that fit our needs and UY we finally had an offer accepted. After not hearing anything for a couple of days from our site rep we reached out only to be told that the points on the contract were not correct and asked if we still wanted to go through with the purchase. We declined of course and this experience spooked us a bit. Despite this We bid on a couple of other contracts over the next couple weeks to no avail. Finally we just decided to give up on the resale hassle and go with a direct purchase. We couldn't have been happier with how it went. 30 minute phone call and the points were loaded and ready to use in a matter of hours. We have since bought another direct contract. Could we have saved some money buying resale, sure but there was value to us in time and stress equity. We have no regrets on how we became members.

 

[tgarre06]

We bought BLT resale not even a year ago, and we obviously saved at that time a significant amount of money buying resale. For me it was worth it to save all that money and not have the blue card. My husband on the other hand jokes he feels like a second class citizen buying resale and wants that blue card. lol

 

[bitbelle]

You do have to watch out for resales that have banked points vs resales that are stripped and won't have any points available in the short term.

Yeah I've seen a few of these and not even discounted enough to make them worth considering. Who's buying them??

The UK Free Dining deals and great ticket pricing made a resale DVC a hard sell never mind direct. You might as well be throwing money in the MK fountain if you buy direct from UK atm.

That's actually why I'm here. I managed to stay at SSR twice for ~4.2k (GBP) for two weeks with moderate dining and four tickets. It was a crazy good deal from Disney but I haven't seen it again. DVC at those prices would have made no sense at all. SSR direct pricing from Disney is eyewatering now so DVC actually seems like a good fit for my family. We've 'done' the dining (it's too much food really) and without a dining deal we don't all need to buy park tickets (my parents don't want to go to the parks every year but like staying onsite because it's safe, clean etc).

I got almost double my points by going resale immediately rather than waiting to save up to go direct. Plus I didn't skimp on my choice of home resort. So yay I doubled my points/satisfaction and halved my cost! #priceless #illpayformyownmickeybar #ihavesomedirectforfuture #bwvdoesntneedepcotlounge #disneyvisa #lookforaloadedcontract

#bestsnackispecosbilltortillachipsandsaladbar #clubcoolandstarbucksweremyepcotlounges #iwillthanks

I think if I were to buy direct it would be RIV. Disney really wants to get that one sold so they offer better incentives there, plus the difference between direct and resale price there is not that much.

I've watched a couple of videos of Riviera and BLT. They, along with OKW are the only DVC resorts I haven't seen in person and neither are wowing me on video, BLT seems nice but AFAICT doesn't have a quiet pool. The monorail link is huge but the Contemporary is aging badly, it's like a decrepit 70's airport. Disney should save the mural and then 'reimagine' that entire building imo. Riviera seems nice but I visit the mediterranean fairly regularly so it doesn't feel like Disney to me. I really think I'd need to visit them to know for sure how I felt about them. If the deal was good enough I could buy into them knowing that I could book/trade for other resorts but at the moment, I can't imagine them as being my preferred home resorts.

It is not entirely true to say WYSIWYG for the foreseeable future because in the foreseeable future is the expiration of 2042 resorts, and while no guarantee, it is unlikely that resale will be able to trade into those resorts once the contracts are reissued or however Disney handles it.

I hadn't considered that, I guess if I want to stay at those resorts I have a deadline to work to!

After spending months looking at resale sites and bidding on several contracts that fit our needs and UY we finally had an offer accepted. After not hearing anything for a couple of days from our site rep we reached out only to be told that the points on the contract were not correct and asked if we still wanted to go through with the purchase. We declined of course and this experience spooked us a bit. Despite this We bid on a couple of other contracts over the next couple weeks to no avail. Finally we just decided to give up on the resale hassle and go with a direct purchase. We couldn't have been happier with how it went. 30 minute phone call and the points were loaded and ready to use in a matter of hours. We have since bought another direct contract. Could we have saved some money buying resale, sure but there was value to us in time and stress equity. We have no regrets on how we became members.

Out of curiosity, were you trying to buy several small contracts to make up the points you need, or a big contract that covered your point requirements? I don't really want to spend months trying to track down multiple contracts with the same UY if it's going to be a nightmare.

 

[DVCsloth]

Sounds like DVC can take away any perks whenever they want too. So, I wouldn't put any value on it per se. I like having non-restricted points but is expensive. Everything about Disney is expensive. I've used my VGF and CCV points to stay at the Riviera resort and have attended Moonlight Magic events. DVC offered a few discounts in the past like $20 off tickets for water parks, not a big deal but we took advantage of it. IMO I would look to purchase my first contract direct, this way you have no restrictions and possibly add on resale later if there were some good deals out there. Points available right away, DVC let me use a credit card with a down payment and spread it over 3 payments. Either way is good, but if I purchased resale, I would research it and make sure I bought exactly what I want with loaded points if they were useable for an upcoming trip.

 

[jbreen2010]

You noted cash price difference was $6.5k for the 150 point contract you’re looking at. So it’s tentatively $6500 compared to whatever the discount on annual passes are (I think they paused selling these). If you’re looking for 20% select gift shops and 10% select dining, mobile order / mobile checkout - you get those same perks when using the app whether you are resale or direct. Also, don’t buy anything (direct or resale) for the perks. Buy because you want to. All perks can disappear at anytime with some pixie dust!

 

[Sandisw]

Sounds like DVC can take away any perks whenever they want too. So, I wouldn't put any value on it per se. I like having non-restricted points but is expensive. Everything about Disney is expensive. I've used my VGF and CCV points to stay at the Riviera resort and have attended Moonlight Magic events. DVC offered a few discounts in the past like $20 off tickets for water parks, not a big deal but we took advantage of it. IMO I would look to purchase my first contract direct, this way you have no restrictions and possibly add on resale later if there were some good deals out there. Points available right away, DVC let me use a credit card with a down payment and spread it over 3 payments. Either way is good, but if I purchased resale, I would research it and make sure I bought exactly what I want with loaded points if they were useable for an upcoming trip.

You do bring up a point that is important. The blue card perks are membership extras. Those are not part of our contract and can come and go at any time.

Buying direct at least 150 guarantees you will be eligible for whatever those are..but no one benefit is ever guaranteed

However the use of direct points everywhere, including RIV and future resorts is not part of the blue card or membership perks.

Those are a function of the trading rules associated with BVTC..the division that oversees our ability to trade between DVC resorts.

While changes can happen..as seen by how RIV entered the mix…DVD has already shown that any changes on trading won’t impact direct points, only resale.

So, IMO, that is a bigger thing to consider than membership extras.

Right now, it’s RIV, but what if Reflections comes along again? Another new DVC somewhere else?

And, of course, BWV and BCV becoming new in under 20 years.

 

[Lee Matthews]

I do wish they offered resale owners the option to pay a one off charge and upgrade their contracts to receive the Blue Card benefits.

actually, they could remove it completely for Direct buyers and make it a upcharge membership

 

[Brian Noble]

Yeah I've seen a few of these and not even discounted enough to make them worth considering. Who's buying them??

The market consistently undervalues loaded contracts and over-values stripped ones. It's enough that a few people make a nice little side business out of buying loaded contracts, stripping them via point rentals or transfers, and then selling them.

DVD has already shown that any changes on trading won’t impact direct points, only resale.

So far. Nothing about the future is ever guaranteed, and other timeshare developers have created clubs-within-clubs that require new purchases to join. On the other hand, someone buying for the resorts as they are right now will still have them if some "VIP DVC" offering comes along.

 

[DarthDadMan]

If we've learned anything, it's that Disney will take away any and all perks whenever they want. I don't care about the blue card, perks, moonlight magic. I'd be pretty upset if I dropped all that money for the perks, and they took it all away. That said, I'd get what points I wanted/needed from the resale market, and if you decide on smaller contracts later, direct may not be a terrible option given the cost gap being much smaller between resale and direct with smaller contracts.

 

[DVCsloth]

If we've learned anything, it's that Disney will take away any and all perks whenever they want. I don't care about the blue card, perks, moonlight magic. I'd be pretty upset if I dropped all that money for the perks, and they took it all away. That said, I'd get what points I wanted/needed from the resale market, and if you decide on smaller contracts later, direct may not be a terrible option given the cost gap being much smaller between resale and direct with smaller contracts.

Aren't the reasons Disney offers membership extras and/or Blue Card perks is to encourage people to buy directly from them? Why would they want to do away with it?

 

[Brett Wyman]

If you will alway carry an AP throughout your ownership the price is roughly about $370 a year per person per renewal! I just paid it ;0

Transferring points out anywhere is always a loss, so I wouldn't count that.

Everything else is a soft benefit with no inherent cost.

 

[Sandisw]

Aren't the reasons Disney offers membership extras and/or Blue Card perks is to encourage people to buy directly from them? Why would they want to do away with it?

It is and that is why I believe something will
always exist. But it doesn’t have to be in the form of ticket discounts, merchandise discounts.

Or even to be free to access.

 

[Minniesgal]

Not a penny

 

[eandt]

Yeah I've seen a few of these and not even discounted enough to make them worth considering. Who's buying them??



That's actually why I'm here. I managed to stay at SSR twice for ~4.2k (GBP) for two weeks with moderate dining and four tickets. It was a crazy good deal from Disney but I haven't seen it again. DVC at those prices would have made no sense at all. SSR direct pricing from Disney is eyewatering now so DVC actually seems like a good fit for my family. We've 'done' the dining (it's too much food really) and without a dining deal we don't all need to buy park tickets (my parents don't want to go to the parks every year but like staying onsite because it's safe, clean etc).



#bestsnackispecosbilltortillachipsandsaladbar #clubcoolandstarbucksweremyepcotlounges #iwillthanks



I've watched a couple of videos of Riviera and BLT. They, along with OKW are the only DVC resorts I haven't seen in person and neither are wowing me on video, BLT seems nice but AFAICT doesn't have a quiet pool. The monorail link is huge but the Contemporary is aging badly, it's like a decrepit 70's airport. Disney should save the mural and then 'reimagine' that entire building imo. Riviera seems nice but I visit the mediterranean fairly regularly so it doesn't feel like Disney to me. I really think I'd need to visit them to know for sure how I felt about them. If the deal was good enough I could buy into them knowing that I could book/trade for other resorts but at the moment, I can't imagine them as being my preferred home resorts.



I hadn't considered that, I guess if I want to stay at those resorts I have a deadline to work to!



Out of curiosity, were you trying to buy several small contracts to make up the points you need, or a big contract that covered your point requirements? I don't really want to spend months trying to track down multiple contracts with the same UY if it's going to be a nightmare.

We bought our initial contract direct in June 2020 (AKV 125) when the blue card buy in minimum was 125 about 6 months after that we purchased 35 points direct at BWV.

 

[thegash35]

zero dollars

 

[dvc lover 1970]

Since dvc will be getting resorts back in 2042 i wonder if they can slowly start to resell them starting in 2035 so new buys get the 2042 points then in 2042 their contract and new point chart kick in. It's not like dvc has a lot to do in each resort- they stay on to of updates

 

[BeachClub2014]

Not a penny

zero dollars

This may be true for many folks, and far be it from me to argue otherwise. But there is an axiom that goes something like this: something is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Many people find real value in blue card perks.

 

[bbeagle]

Since dvc will be getting resorts back in 2042 i wonder if they can slowly start to resell them starting in 2035 so new buys get the 2042 points then in 2042 their contract and new point chart kick in. It's not like dvc has a lot to do in each resort- they stay on to of updates

That's not a bad idea at all.

It's 2037 - Buy into BoardWalk with a contract that starts in 2042 and goes until 2092. But, Hurry! We have a perk! We'll throw in a limited number of free 5 year contracts to BoardWalk so you can enjoy it right now and not wait 5 years.