WHAT?!? Mexico's military crossed our border???

[Mickey Fliers]

If anyone thinks that the government is telling you everything YOU would like to know, than you are sorely mistaken. Just because YOU think YOU should have all the information YOU want, doesn't make it so. Some things are "secret" for a reason.

This is such non-news.

 

[DancingBear]

declansdad, I don't know what your problem is comprehending LuvOrlando's argument. It seems clear to me. People who don't agree with LuvOrlando have had a deficient education. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[declansdad]

declansdad, I don't know what your problem is comprehending LuvOrlando's argument. It seems clear to me. People who don't agree with LuvOrlando have had a deficient education. What is so hard to understand about that?

You want to try that one again.

Never mind

 

[LuvOrlando]

Sheesh, what was missed in civics class some of you sure picked up in magic school... you guys must have Doctorates in misdirection.

I'd probably find it more entertaining if I wasn't so confused by why.

Know what, no matter how many times you say I think everyone who disagrees with me is deficient, it still doesn't make it true. Go ahead, say it again. Still not true. Again... nope still nada. Know why? Because I just don't think that way.

OH, and BTW, I don't see how you can say this wasn't sabotaged with a straight face. Look at the reasonable place this thread started out and where it is now. I kind of just let it linger on the vine so other people would see the lengths some will go to to prevent real conversations from happening. It's pretty sad, even I m a little surprised at this point. Not dissuaded, just thinking WOW.

FYI, I'm still here because it was my thread...

 

[LoraJ]

Did someone here have a link to this story in Spanish? I need a Spanish news article para mi clase!

 

[LuvOrlando]

There were some names of papers a long time back when the discourse still made sense.

 

[Mickey Fliers]

Sheesh, what was missed in civics class some of you sure picked up in magic school... you guys must have Doctorates in misdirection.

I'd probably find it more entertaining if I wasn't so confused by why.

Know what, no matter how many times you say I think everyone who disagrees with me is deficient, it still doesn't make it true. Go ahead, say it again. Still not true. Again... nope still nada. Know why? Because I just don't think that way.

OH, and BTW, I don't see how you can say this wasn't sabotaged with a straight face. Look at the reasonable place this thread started out and where it is now. I kind of just let it linger on the vine so other people would see the lengths some will go to to prevent real conversations from happening. It's pretty sad, even I m a little surprised at this point.

FYI, I'm still here because it was my thread...

I guess I am curious as to which civics class taught you that you, as a citizen, should be privy to every thing your government does. I certainly was never taught such a thing. And now, in my current life, I know it for certain. Our government often does things that we will never know about...yes, even things regarding our border.

 

[Topper]

I just love some good irony!

Nothing quite like members of DIS for making mountains out of molehills.

 

[DawnCt1]

I guess I am curious as to which civics class taught you that you, as a citizen, should be privy to every thing your government does. I certainly was never taught such a thing. And now, in my current life, I know it for certain. Our government often does things that we will never know about...yes, even things regarding our border.

It sounds like our government knew....after the fact. They also knew after the fact that members of the Mexican Army pointed a gun at our border patrol agent on OUR side of the border. They also know now, that the Mexican Army has been caught on film assisting drug dealers across the border. Now all I am asking is that they find out these things before, and perhaps prevent them from happening or at the least file a public, formal complaint with the Mexican government so those American on the border feel a little bit safer and that something is being done to protect them.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I just love some good irony!

Ummm, I hate to let the wind out of your sail but I didn't say that, it is sort of corny for me. You spliced 2 different posts. The person who said the molehill thing was in #129

 

[EMom]

Excuse me Emom but everyone is on the front line. Texas is not the only state that has drug, illegal aliens or any other problem. Hell, I live in NYC where we had a real terrorist attack. Texas is no more important to the us economy than Florida or NY or California. And please spare me the "front line argument" because Camden NJ has been the murder capitol of the Country for a good number of the last 10 years and I don't see the national headlines about that? I guess because it's not al-queda or mexicans killing kids then hey just another inner city THAT'S totally acceptable.

You're absolutely right I have no idea of how it is to live in the border towns but you have no idea of how it is to live in the inner city so your towns are not the only ones dealing with ramifications of the drug trade or illegal immigration.

You guys keep saying that "nothing is being done" and once again I ask where in an article you've read about this helicopter intrusion was it stated that it has been ignored or nothing is being done.

Maybe it's just we feel that cops being killed in drug disputes are just as important as border cops.

Don't get mad at other poster or make incorrect assumptions because you don't like our response.

I would assert that EACH of these situations mentioned is worthy of concern and discussion. Why does one negate the importance of another? Can't they ALL be important?

However, it just so happens that this thread is about the incident regarding the Mexican military crossing over the US border, not what's going on in NYC or NJ. (I never doubted those areas had problems with crime and drugs, BTW........I did not labor under the delusion the border alone suffered from these issues.)

When I say "front lines," I refer to the millions of illegal aliens crossing over and all that comes with that, especially the drug cartels. It may filter through to the rest of the US, but the border states bear the brunt of it. And it is crippling us. As to which gangs are worse, well I guess we could get into a peeing contest. But I'll put the Mexican cartels up against any US gangs any day of the week. Considering their message of choice is to leave decapitated heads as a calling card on a regular basis (and residents of some border towns no longer blink an eye at the sight) I still maintain they are a special sort of "bad" that I'd prefer to keep on THAT side of the border. Murdering everyone in drug rehab centers is a new trick that seems to be working nicely. I don't know.....Maybe the US gangs are doing that and I just haven't heard of it. I'll give them this.....They are inventive.

 

[Topper]

Ummm, I hate to let the wind out of your sail but I didn't say that, it is sort of corny for me. You spliced 2 different posts. The person who said the molehill thing was in #129

http://www.disboards.com/showpost.php?p=35453944&postcount=126

 

[DancingBear]

Know what, no matter how many times you say I think everyone who disagrees with me is deficient, it still doesn't make it true. Go ahead, say it again. Still not true. Again... nope still nada. Know why? Because I just don't think that way.

Then you better talk to the person who stole your ID and posted this:

All I can say is that if American's really have no idea that this is a big deal then our educational system, especially our American Studies classes, are completely off the mark. What on earth is it that everyone else was learning before graduation? I remember a pretty big section back when I was a Jr. in HS on the UN, why it was set up and the issues it was intended to resolve. A pretty huge part was about boundaries intended to prevent border disputes. Didn't everyone else get the same stuff? What exactly did everyone else study? I'm kind of confused, I thought this was common knowledge, I remember it and I'm going back 20+ years. If we can't teach our society this stuff it's no wonder Math is a mess. There is no smiley in existence for what I'm thinking and I don't think it's cutesy at all.

How is that supposed to be interpreted other than as saying that your fellow Americans in this thread who don't think this is a big deal didn't receive a proper civics education?

 

[LuvOrlando]

Hmm, it's Monday Morning and I just got an eyeful about a tragedy at the consulate.

I think maybe, possibly, we should sort of consider paying some more attention.

 

[Topper]

Hmm, it's Monday Morning and I just got an eyeful about a tragedy at the consulate.

I think maybe, possibly, we should sort of consider paying some more attention.

Yes we should. The Mexican Navy was trying to stop drug smugglers. The helicopter is evil and must be destroyed. Now we have drug dealers killing US citizens who drive white Hondas. Maybe we should ask for a recall of those vehicles?

 

[DancingBear]

Hmm, it's Monday Morning and I just got an eyeful about a tragedy at the consulate.

I think maybe, possibly, we should sort of consider paying some more attention.

Yes, we should be paying attention to the efforts to control the power of drug smugglers. Perhaps that's why we wouldn't be making a big deal about the border crossing by a Mexican navy helicopter that was apparently engaged in anti-drug smuggling activity.

 

[BCDisneyFanatic]

Hmm, it's Monday Morning and I just got an eyeful about a tragedy at the consulate.

I think maybe, possibly, we should sort of consider paying some more attention.

I don't think anyone on this thread thinks that the situation at the US-Mexican border should be ignored. What is happening there is tragic, horrible and worthy of significant attention.

What people seem to be questioning is why this thread is focussing on a Mexican military helicopter which apparently crossed the border in pursuit of criminals, as opposed to the murders, drug trafficking and people smuggling that are occurring.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Then you better talk to the person who stole your ID and posted this:

How is that supposed to be interpreted other than as saying that your fellow Americans in this thread who don't think this is a big deal didn't receive a proper civics education?

If a person does not know that there are UN rules dictating appropriate behavior regarding our borders then they did not get an appropriate education. But this has zero to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me. To agree of disagree implies opinion, I don't see where opinion comes into play here regarding the original point.

The issue to agree or disagree with is "I think it deserves more attention". To say yes or no is reasonable but once the supporting statements become laced with fallacies it stops being reasonable.

 

[LuvOrlando]

I don't think anyone on this thread thinks that the situation at the US-Mexican border should be ignored. What is happening there is tragic, horrible and worthy of significant attention.

What people seem to be questioning is why this thread is focussing on a Mexican military helicopter which apparently crossed the border in pursuit of criminals, as opposed to the murders, drug trafficking and people smuggling that are occurring.

Did you actually read through the whole thing? I just did and can say yes, I think there are people on here who made it perfectly clear that's exactly what they think.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Yes we should. The Mexican Navy was trying to stop drug smugglers. The helicopter is evil and must be destroyed. Now we have drug dealers killing US citizens who drive white Hondas. Maybe we should ask for a recall of those vehicles?

What was that?