What is "middle class"?

MarkBarbieri

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I keep hearing about the middle class and how this or that will affect them. What is "middle class"? According to the US Census Bureau, the median household income for 2007 was $50,233 and the mean household income was $67,609.

So what consitutes a middle class income?
 
I guess it depends where you live, but those numbers seem awfully low for "middle class". It would be hard to get by on that in many places.
 
Do they base it soley on income? There are other factors, I would think.
 
I guess it depends where you live, but those numbers seem awfully low for "middle class". It would be hard to get by on that in many places.

these terms are so ridiculous and outdated. There are so many variables nowadays, why do we even use them?
 

From fatcheck.org

January 24, 2008
Q: Is there a standard, accepted definition of what constitutes the "middle class"?
Is there a standard, accepted definition of what constitutes the "middle class"? Politicians are fond of talking about how the middle class will be affected by policies and laws, but rarely do they define who is actually part of that group.
A: No, there isn't. "Middle class" means different things to different people - and politicians.
There is no standard definition, and in fact, an overwhelming majority of Americans say they are "middle class" or "upper-middle class" or "working class" in public opinion polls. Hardly anybody considers themselves "lower class" or "upper class" in America.

It's possible to come up with a definition of what constitutes "middle income," but it will depend on how large a slice of the middle one prefers. If we look at U.S. Census Bureau statistics, which divide household income into quintiles, we could say that the "middle" quintile, or 20 percent, might be the "middle" class. In 2006, the average income for households in that middle group was $48,561 and the upper limit was $60,224. But we could just as reasonably use another Census figure, median family income. In 2006, the median – or "middle" – income for a family of four was $70,354. Half of all four-person families made more; half made less.

Journalist Chris Baker examined the ambiguous meaning of the term "middle class" in a 2003 Washington Times story. He, too, found no generally accepted definition, but he did get this broad one from Jared Bernstein, an economist at the liberal Economic Policy Institute: "There are working families who can pay their bills, but they have to really think about such minimal expenditures as picking up a pizza after work, going to the movies, making a long-distance telephone call. They may have some investments, but they depend on each paycheck for their well-being."

But others could have different definitions. Baker interviewed a man who earned about $100,000 a year and a woman who made $35,000, both of whom said they were middle class.

Public opinion polls show how slippery the term can be. An Oct. 2007 poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation, Harvard School of Public Health and National Public Radio asked 1,527 adults what income level makes a family of four middle class. About 60 percent said a family earning $50,000 or $60,000 fit that description. But 42 percent answered an income of $40,000 and 48 percent said $80,000 were both middle class.

Other polls suggest that 90 percent or more of Americans consider themselves to be "middle class" or "upper-middle class" or "working class." An April 2007 poll by CBS News found that of 994 adults surveyed only 2 percent said they were "upper class," and 7 percent said they were "lower class." In another poll, taken by Gallup/USA Today in May 2006, 1 percent said they were "upper class," and 6 percent said they were "lower class." Interestingly, since 12.3 percent of Americans were living below the official federal poverty level in 2006, these poll findings suggest many who are officially poor still consider themselves to be "middle class" or "working class."

So what do politicians mean when they say "the middle class"? Good question. Each politician may be talking about a different group of Americans, but the message many voters hear is that the politician is talking about them.

For example, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards calls for "tax breaks to honor and strengthen three pillars of America's middle class: savings, work, and families." One of his proposals is to expand a tax credit to give dollar-for-dollar matches on savings up to $500 a year. Some version of that credit would be available to families earning up to $75,000.

Republican candidate Mitt Romney, meanwhile, has proposed eliminating "taxes on dividends, capital gains, and interest on middle class families." He defines "middle class" as anyone with an adjusted gross income of under $200,000 – and acknowledges that such a proposal would affect "over 95 percent of American families."

–Lori Robertson

Sources
U.S. Census Bureau. 2006 American Community Survey. Income tables, accessed 23 Jan. 2008.

NPR, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and the Harvard School of Public Health. Survey: Public Views on SCHIP Reauthorization. Survey conducted Oct. 8-13, 2007. 17 Oct. 2007.

Survey by CBS News, April 9-April 12, 2007. Retrieved 23 Jan. 2008 from the iPOLL Databank, The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, University of Connecticut.

Survey by USA Today and Gallup Organization, May 5-May 7, 2006. Retrieved 23 Jan. 2008 from the iPOLL Databank, The Roper Center for Public Opinion Research, University of Connecticut.

Baker, Chris. "What is middle class?; Income isn't necessarily sole measure." The Washington Times, 30 Nov. 2003.
 
Middle class really only means one thing - you are neither rich nor poor...
 
If you can barely afford to pay your basic living expenses such as food, clothing and shelter; to me that is poor. I'm not talking about not being able to pay for a huge house, eating out all the time, and designer clothes. I'm talking about basic needs.
 
What do you mean by "rich" or "poor"?
Rich = independantly wealthy. Has enough assets that he/she does not need income from anywhere to live a lavish lifestyle.

Poor is not something that can be easily defined. I know a family that makes over $150k/yr and they consider themselves poor. :lmao:

I would define poor as unable to save any amount of money. Every cent, and more, required for day to day survival. This would not include money required to pay bills that they accumulated through their own stupidity (see couple above). Those people deserve their own category...
 
If you can barely afford to pay your basic living expenses such as food, clothing and shelter; to me that is poor. I'm not talking about not being able to pay for a huge house, eating out all the time, and designer clothes. I'm talking about basic needs.

Also, if you own your own home, you are not poor...
 
I have yet to meet anyone that isn't broke or close to it define themselves as anything but "middle class." No matter how much money they had, even if it were sticking out of their ears, they'd say they were "upper middle class."

I don't like the whole "class" thing, though. I do not and never have thought of people as being in "classes." We have our rich and our poor, but there are no "second-class citizens" in America. You might be broke, you might have money, but everyone is just an American. So far, anyway.
 
Is poor easy? What does it mean to be poor?
I've been broke and I've had money and having money is much, much easier and more fun all the way around.

No shame in being poor, but nobody works hard to get poor, that's for sure. Good reason for it, too: It sucks. :)
 
I have yet to meet anyone that isn't broke or close to it define themselves as anything but "middle class." No matter how much money they had, even if it were sticking out of their ears, they'd say they were "upper middle class."

I don't like the whole "class" thing, though. I do not and never have thought of people as being in "classes." We have our rich and our poor, but there are no "second-class citizens" in America. You might be broke, you might have money, but everyone is just an American. So far, anyway.
If you ever meet someone from "old money" who has never worked and considers people who do work to be beneath him/her, you will realize that there still exists a very clear class system in America. As far as they are concerned, there is the Upper Class, and then there is everyong else. These people control almost everything in America, and the world...
 
I've totally given up on getting an answer to this question! I know people who are barely above the poverty line who consider themselves middle class and I've known people with high 6 figure incomes who consider themselves middle class. To me it makes more sense to define middle class by income distribution - the statistical middle - than by subjective measures of lifestyle because lifestyle is so impacted by debt or lack thereof.
 
Rich = independantly wealthy. Has enough assets that he/she does not need income from anywhere to live a lavish lifestyle.

Poor is not something that can be easily defined. I know a family that makes over $150k/yr and they consider themselves poor. :lmao:

I would define poor as unable to save any amount of money. Every cent, and more, required for day to day survival. This would not include money required to pay bills that they accumulated through their own stupidity (see couple above). Those people deserve their own category...

:) My DH keeps saying that WE are poor. I keep telling him that we aren't poor, we're just broke! Sounds like that's what the family you're talking about really is, just broke!

I do think that "poor" is a rather easy catagory to define. I agree, if you have barely enough money for basic food/shelter/clothing and sometimes not even that, and it's a long term situation, I'd say that was poor.

I think the problem with "middle class" is that there are actually catagories with in "middle class" itself. I think there is a lower, middle, and upper middle class. The more descretionary income you have, the higer within the middle class you are.
 
I've totally given up on getting an answer to this question! I know people who are barely above the poverty line who consider themselves middle class and I've known people with high 6 figure incomes who consider themselves middle class. To me it makes more sense to define middle class by income distribution - the statistical middle - than by subjective measures of lifestyle because lifestyle is so impacted by debt or lack thereof.
The middle class im important for historical reasons. Throughout most of human history, you had only 2 classes - rich and poor - and no one was confused as to which of those classes they belonged in.

Western civilization led to the rise of a different class - now referred to as the middle class. They proved that anyone could have a decent life if they were willing to work hard enough. They was no expectation that anyone from either the lower or middle classes would ever become a part of the upper class.

Today we like to think that we are all "created equal". That there exists no group of people better than another. So the middle class today is used to show one thing - that a group of people who are not wealthy can live a life outside of poverty. It is also a measure used by politicians to "prove" that they are doing their job, or that the other party is not, which makes me laugh out loud when you consider how nebulous it really is...
 
If you can barely afford to pay your basic living expenses such as food, clothing and shelter; to me that is poor. I'm not talking about not being able to pay for a huge house, eating out all the time, and designer clothes. I'm talking about basic needs.

So 100K could be poor in California, while 30K isn't poor in rural Michigan? That's the problem with trying to come up with a definition - too much varies from place to place.

I recently ran our budget for next month onward, when we move into the new house. We could cover all the essentials - utilities including cable & internet, health insurance, gas, auto insurance, taxes, food and toiletries, a simple but not sparse lower middle class lifestyle - on about 15K/year. We can continue our current lifestyle of vacationing twice a year and not being especially frugal on an income below the official poverty line for our family size. I know we're an extreme example because we have no debt, just as the family barely making ends meet on a 6 figure income in a high cost of living area is the extreme example, but that's the problem with using vague terms like "middle class". Unless it is put in a more specific context, you can't derive any significant meaning from it.
 


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