What is going on with the FP+ crackdown?

[Madonna3]

Seems to me like another loophole. Do you really think that's how Disney set up the system? So that people can buy multiple tickets for entry? I mean I guess if people want to spend more money to get FPs Disney may see it as a bonus. ???

But if Disney wanted people to spend more money for additional FPs per person I think they would make purchasing extra FPs available as an option.

I don't think that's any kind of loophole. A loophole is where you gain benefits of something by exploiting something. Purchasing two tickets for yourself exploits nothing other than your resources

 

[AngiTN]

How do you know it will only be a few people? Once that "strategy" takes hold, it could be a lot of people.

Yes, it seems that if someone wants to buy extra entrance tickets, and use them to have extra FPs, they can. I'm not arguing that. But again, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you're supposed to.

But I'm not sure how DW can stop that. It would be interesting to see if DW states One Ticket Per Person Per Day for Entry how many people will still buy more just because they can, and DW can't really catch them.

Personally, I don't agree with doing it. I see it as a loophole, just like a throwaway room. I think Disney probably didn't realize just how much they have to spell out for people.

And whose name do you put on the ticket? Do you have to create another MDE account to do it? I think if you have to go out of your way and take all these extra steps, including entering the park twice, to get more than the 3 FPs per person you should realize it's a loophole.

I guess they'll have to spend more money creating two-hand scanners to prevent it. LOL.

I don't know anything but do you really think there are large numbers of guests that can afford 2 tickets to Disney for each day they enter the gates, for each person in their party? I sure don't. It's hard for most to afford 1 set of tickets, much less a 2nd set. But what do I know.

I've never had any desire to use 2 tickets in 1 day but I'm not sure a 2nd MDE account is required. Do they make those who walk up and buy a ticket at the gate get an MDE account? Do you have to get one to get FP at the kiosk with a ticket you buy at the gate? I have no idea

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Sorry, I wasn't clear... I first referred to using old MBs, and then mentioned purchasing new ones.... I didn't mean tickets. I meant purchasing new extra MBs (not attached to a used entry ticket) and using those new extra MBs to get additional FPs.

No...that's cheating and is reprehensible...

Fast pass was a brilliant development to move crowds around and provide customers with a convenience...fast pass plus is ride rationing to fit 10,000,000 more people into the same basic ride bank that existed when fast pass rolled out.

So let's all just accept it and suck up that magic. No shortcuts to nutrolls, please...

 

[AngiTN]

Not really. There's a difference between walking in through the FP line and waiting in the standby line. You're waiting in line for let's say, 40 minutes. One person not on the FP line is not going to make a difference.
Unless you're talking about something else...

Yeah, I don't think I'm explaining it right.
It's about how they do the ratios of FP riders to Stand By riders.
They take X number of FP riders and X numbers of Stand By riders per hour
For each FP rider in a given hour that doesn't show up that means 1 more Stand By rider can ride.
So if someone books a FP and then doesn't show, the Stand By line benefits. I don't think Disney will see that as a problem in the long run

 

[DisneyMom93]

I don't think that's any kind of loophole. A loophole is where you gain benefits of something by exploiting something. Purchasing two tickets for yourself exploits nothing other than your resources

But I go back to how it takes away FPs from other people that would be entitled to them. If one person is getting extra fast passes, causing others to not get them it's cheating others out of something they would be entitled to. So that one person gets six fast passes and the other gets zero.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I don't know anything but do you really think there are large numbers of guests that can afford 2 tickets to Disney for each day they enter the gates, for each person in their party? I sure don't. It's hard for most to afford 1 set of tickets, much less a 2nd set. But what do I know.

I've never had any desire to use 2 tickets in 1 day but I'm not sure a 2nd MDE account is required. Do they make those who walk up and buy a ticket at the gate get an MDE account? Do you have to get one to get FP at the kiosk with a ticket you buy at the gate? I have no idea

People will not be buying them at the gate for a second entry. They will purchase them in advance so that they can book the FPs 30 to 60 days in advance, not the day of. You need an MDE for that.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

But I go back to how it takes away FPs from other people that would be entitled to them. If one person is getting extra fast passes, causing others to not get them it's cheating others out of something they would be entitled to. So that one person gets six fast passes and the other gets zero.

I can't fathom why anyone would purchase tickets to get fast passes? As management has made abundantly clear: it's NOT about the rides...

This is like a scheme out of Austin powers

 

[AngiTN]

But I go back to how it takes away FPs from other people that would be entitled to them. If one person is getting extra fast passes, causing others to not get them it's cheating others out of something they would be entitled to. So that one person gets six fast passes and the other gets zero.

Now, now, that's a bit disingenuous, don't you think? Really, someone gets zero FP? By choice?
Have you ever seen all FP gone for a given day so that someone got none at all?

 

[DisneyMom93]

Now, now, that's a bit disingenuous, don't you think? Really, someone gets zero FP? By choice?
Have you ever seen all FP gone for a given day so that someone got none at all?

I think for Tier1 rides yes.

 

[DisneyMom93]

Now, now, that's a bit disingenuous, don't you think? Really, someone gets zero FP? By choice?
Have you ever seen all FP gone for a given day so that someone got none at all?

Not by choice. I meant that when they go to book theirs 30 to 60 days advance they aren't available.

 

[AngiTN]

But I go back to how it takes away FPs from other people that would be entitled to them. If one person is getting extra fast passes, causing others to not get them it's cheating others out of something they would be entitled to. So that one person gets six fast passes and the other gets zero.

Free enterprise. Someone can afford to buy 2 tickets. They get what comes with them. Money gets things, always has, always will. That isn't unfair. No different than those who can afford to pay for VIP tours. They get things I can't too. Is that any more unfair?
And believe me, I'm not one who can afford 2 tickets per day so it won't be me doing it. But it's not up to me to begrudge those who can.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Now, now, that's a bit disingenuous, don't you think? Really, someone gets zero FP? By choice?
Have you ever seen all FP gone for a given day so that someone got none at all?

No...they get figment and small world Instead of test track and Thunder...

I think there's a lot of disingenuous going on here...seems like thinly veiled excuses for cheating.

 

[Disneymom1126]

My perspective on this whole debate is that (1) we have become such a culture of instant gratification and entitlement and this is just another example of it...why should we have to wait in lines?!?! *gasp* I've paid XXX for this trip and I deserve to ride all the rides with no wait *eye roll.* Excuse the sarcasm, but I'm dealing with a similar instant gratification/entitlement attitude at work these last few weeks and I am so over it! Any of my frustration at Disney has always come down to people who have a more individualistic vs. collective outlook on life/think their experience is more important than the experience of anyone else - everyone has their pet peeves, and that one is mine!

(2) The 3 FP+ are great and we use them and we typically use a few FP+ after we have used those ones, we are a party of 2, so getting 4+ FP+ are easier for us, but there are plenty of ways via tips on the board to avoid long lines for most of the day. Aside from a few exceptions that have to do with newer attractions and tiering in HS and Epcot, you can get a whole lot accomplished in a day without needing to scam the system. Might you have a few 20-30 minute waits - sure - but this is not the end of the world for folks. I also think the people who figure out these loopholes are typically the ones that take trips regularly and likely are already aware of all of the good touring tips on the boards (e.g. rope drop, know how lines typically build for various rides, avoid magic hours unless you have park hoppers, choose a less-busy time of year, etc.).

 

[AngiTN]

No...they get figment and small world Instead of test track and Thunder...

I think there's a lot of disingenuous going on here...seems like thinly veiled excuses for cheating.

Considering you've not even gone to Disney recently I'm not sure how you'd know but for the record my party of 3 got 4th FP for both of the rides you mention just 2 weeks ago. TT we got as a 5th FP

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Free enterprise. Someone can afford to buy 2 tickets. They get what comes with them. Money gets things, always has, always will. That isn't unfair. No different than those who can afford to pay for VIP tours. They get things I can't too. Is that any more unfair?
And believe me, I'm not one who can afford 2 tickets per day so it won't be me doing it. But it's not up to me to begrudge those who can.

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I sort of agree...but they can also circumvent the fastpass rules...booking fastpasses without gaps in between that everyone else has to abide by.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Considering you've not even gone to Disney recently I'm not sure how you'd know but for the record my party of 3 got 4th FP for both of the rides you mention just 2 weeks ago. TT we got as a 5th FP

You're talking about slow days...that isn't where the system is strained.

You're "not sure how I'd know"?
...I'd suggest that tactic is not gonna fair well. Just discussing the angles of the subject like everyone else. I can assure you I'm "quite familiar"

 

[DisneyMom93]

Yeah, I don't think I'm explaining it right.
It's about how they do the ratios of FP riders to Stand By riders.
They take X number of FP riders and X numbers of Stand By riders per hour
For each FP rider in a given hour that doesn't show up that means 1 more Stand By rider can ride.
So if someone books a FP and then doesn't show, the Stand By line benefits. I don't think Disney will see that as a problem in the long run

But that standby rider is still standing in the line anywhere from 30 minutes plus.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I think for Tier1 rides yes.

100%...that's a straw man scenario

 

[AnnaKat]

How do you know it will only be a few people? Once that "strategy" takes hold, it could be a lot of people.

Yes, it seems that if someone wants to buy extra entrance tickets, and use them to have extra FPs, they can. I'm not arguing that. But again, just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you're supposed to.

But I'm not sure how DW can stop that. It would be interesting to see if DW states One Ticket Per Person Per Day for Entry how many people will still buy more just because they can, and DW can't really catch them.

Personally, I don't agree with doing it. I see it as a loophole, just like a throwaway room. I think Disney probably didn't realize just how much they have to spell out for people.

And whose name do you put on the ticket? Do you have to create another MDE account to do it? I think if you have to go out of your way and take all these extra steps, including entering the park twice, to get more than the 3 FPs per person you should realize it's a loophole.

I guess they'll have to spend more money creating two-hand scanners to prevent it. LOL.

The TOS for a 1-day ticket is that once that ticket is used to enter,
NO OTHER ticket for any of the parks may be used
for park entry THAT day.
Of course a guest may leave and re-enter the same park with their activated 1-day ticket on that same day.

 

[AngiTN]

The TOS for a 1-day ticket is that once that ticket is used to enter,
NO OTHER ticket for any of the parks may be used
for park entry THAT day.
Of course a guest may leave and re-enter the same park with their activated 1-day ticket on that same day.

Then I broke the rule last week as I used a Water Park ticket the same day I used a separate park ticket. Because we didn't have a ticket with a WP feature added as we only wanted a single WP entrance.