What if...(McCain)

So a 700billion $ bailout is just a big stunt. :eek: Um, that's what the Senators are for, to handle situations LIKE THIS when they arise. Someone needs to let BO know that. He was hired by the people to be a Senator and handle these situations, he wasn't hired just so he could run for POTUS 143 days into his first term.

WOW, you truly can't make this stuff up. :sad2:


yeah so go on every network tonight for interviews instead of working on a compromise...thats leadership:confused3
 
Oh please, please, please send Palin to debate anyone....Obama could throw his eight year old daughter out there and I would put my money on the eight year old!!!!

I bet that 8 year old has seen more of the world than Palin has.
 
I recently changed parties from Republican to Deomocrat. The strange religous sect that the Republican Party has become is frightening to me. The fact that people would actually defend the choice of Palin is even more frightening. I am more educated than Palin and I know I could in no way run this country. Even respected members of the Republican party have said this. People that I have trust in. I really dont understand how this can be defended at all. Show me ANY foreign policy Palin has been a part of. Why would you put Palin up against Obama? She is not running for president McCain is. This is stunt is really getting to me and I usually keep out of these fights. There is no reason you can not fly down for a 90min debate and fly back. It is crazy we are even debating this.
 
It would be a Charlie Gibson repeat...

"boo hoo, they were so mean to wittle sawah"

McCain didn't even trust her enough to fill in for him on a talk show (Letterman). You really think he would let her anywhere near a debate?

This whole political stunt thing is to get the VP debate moved, not the Presidential. Otherwise, why would McCain have suggested moving the Presidential debate to the very same day as the VP debate. The American voters are not that stupid to not see through his games.
You know, I hope it would be another "Charlie Gibson repeat". Because this one would be live. The transcripts clearly show that "good ol' Charlie" (or at least his producers) did a huge hatchet job on it, one that whoever did it should be fired because they were no longer reporters, they were campaigners.
 

I recently changed parties from Republican to Deomocrat. The strange religous sect that the Republican Party has become is frightening to me. The fact that people would actually defend the choice of Palin is even more frightening. I am more educated than Palin and I know I could in no way run this country. Even respected members of the Republican party have said this. People that I have trust in. I really dont understand how this can be defended at all. Show me ANY foreign policy Palin has been a part of. Why would you put Palin up against Obama? She is not running for president McCain is. This is stunt is really getting to me and I usually keep out of these fights. There is no reason you can not fly down for a 90min debate and fly back. It is crazy we are even debating this.
The Obama camp has been putting Palin up against Obama since she was announced. Why do you think the "inexperience" has any play at all? Because MSM keeps repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it.

Show me any foreign policy experience Obama has? Because he made some speeches in Europe and the Mid East (and pissed of the leaders of some of those countries) he has experience? The VP isn't supposed to have the most experience on a ticket, but the Democrats don't realize that. The VP isn't supposed to have the ONLY experience, but the Democrats don't realize that. Sarah Palin will have plenty of experience to be VP, and she will have time to get the experience during John McCain's presidency. Who will be President while Obama gains experience?
 
No, the bailout is not a stunt.

But McCain running to Washington was.

On Tuesday, that is the day before he made his announcement to suspend his campaign and run back to Washington if you didn't catch that date, McCain stated publicly that he had not even read the treasury proposal yet. Must have been a quick read. But then, they do things fast in that campaign; realize that the essentially strong economy may not really be, foreign policy experience in a day, etc. etc, etc.

The bipartisan group was just about at agreement before McCain swooped in. They ended today bitterly divided because McCain/Bush sprung a conservative alternative, excluding Paulson.

So, he actually did more harm than good by inserting presidential politics into the discussions. It actually nauseates me that he had to politicize something that was working just to boost his own poll numbers.

And your right, you can't make this stuff up.

White House Summit Ends on Sour Note
(Sept. 25) - A high-profile White House meeting on Treasury's $700 billion Wall Street rescue plan ended Thursday on a sour, contentious note, with no joint endorsement by the two presidential candidates, Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama.

Democrats complained of being "blindsided" by a new conservative alternative to the plan first put forward by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. And the outcome casts doubt on the ability of Congress to move quickly on the matter, even after leaders of House and Senate banking committees reached a bipartisan agreement Thursday on the framework for legislation authorizing the massive government intervention.

It was McCain who urged President Bush to call the White House meeting attended by House and Senate leaders as well as Obama, his Democratic rival. But the candidates left without commenting to reporters outside, and the whole sequence of events confirmed Treasury's fears about inserting presidential politics into what were already difficult negotiations.

Wall Street had posted a gain of 197 points earlier in the day, buoyed by hopes of an agreement. The markets had closed by the end of the White House meeting, but Friday could bring turmoil, and there will be immense pressure now by Treasury to get back on track before Monday.

McCain could feel that same pressure, and having called for the meeting, he will have to show if can deliver the votes of House Republicans, many of whom have been leery of him in the past. Mindful of this, the senator's campaign issued a brief statement an hour after the breakup of the meeting.
"We're optimistic that Sen. McCain will bring House Republicans on board without driving other parties away, resulting in a successful deal for the American taxpayer."

By the end of the day, Paulson appeared bruised on two fronts. He was not part of the Capitol discussions in the morning, which stretched to nearly three hours and will now require extensive follow up with Treasury. At the same time House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) said he feared McCain was undercutting Paulson by appealing to conservatives in the House.

"McCain and the House Republicans are undercutting the Paulson plan, talking about a wholly different approach," Frank said prior to the meeting. "This is the presidential campaign of John McCain undermining what Hank Paulson tells us is essential for the country."

Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, the ranking Republican on the House Budget Committee and one of the authors of the conservative alternative, said that McCain had yet to sign onto the proposal. But Ryan confirmed that he and other House Republicans had met with the Arizona senator on the issue prior to the White House meeting in the offices of House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

"Our goal is not to derail. Our goal is to break the logjam. It's a Plan B if Paulson can’t pass," Ryan said. "This is such a crisis I'm not going to draw some line in the sand. We can't leave without doing something, but we don't think the votes are here for Paulson."

From Frank's perspective, this can be a self-fulfilling prophecy since Republicans will be able to peel off the administration plan and claim they are still taking action. "Nancy is not going to pass a bill with Republicans having an excuse to vote against it," Frank said of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). And given the cost of the Treasury plan, Democratic leaders have warned that they will want at least a healthy Republican showing of 80 to 100 votes if they are going to ask their members to vote with the president.
Frank is among those members closest to Paulson. And while the secretary wasn't included in the Capitol meeting earlier in the day, the House chairman and leading senators in both parties saw those talks as providing a real bipartisan foundation for progress this weekend.

"We think we have fundamental agreement on a set of principles," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.). "We're very confident we can act expeditiously, and we've done a good job arriving at that kind of consensus."

Those principles will include improved oversight of the program, as well as a plan to phase in the $700 billion investment in stages, while still assuring the administration a virtual free hand for at least the first $350 billion.
There is a greater emphasis on efforts not just to relieve Wall Street firms of their bad debts but also to help homeowners threatened by foreclosure. Companies that benefit from the plan would be expected to limit pay and severance packages for their executives, and community banks are expected to benefit from a new $3 billion tax break as a result of their stock losses in the government takeover of the two mortgage finance giants, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Prior to the White House meeting, Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) predicted legislation could be finalized in time for Congress to act this weekend. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), who participated in the talks and has close ties to the White House, conceded that portions of the package won’t be to Treasury's liking, but the agreement was a step forward.

"There are things they won’t be comfortable with — obviously there was a lot of give on both sides," Gregg said. "I think they may be very concerned about some sections of it, but the overall thrust of it will be to give them the authority they need to address the underlying problem, which is to get these securities out of the blocking pattern that they are in relevant to the credit markets. This will allow the Treasury secretary to go and clean up the credit markets using basically tax dollars."

Paulson had asked for the $700 billion funding authority as part of his initial bill, arguing that the large number is an important signal to the markets of the government's commitment. Nonetheless, the administration has since paid a heavy political price for not better explaining its initiative as an "investment" by taxpayers — and one which will surely be repaid to some level as the economy improves.

The whole debate has exposed an angry anti-Wall Street cultural divide, and Paulson, a former Goldman Sachs CEO, has been the target of critics who argue that "Main Street" taxpayers are being asked to aid other wealthy bankers. Getting the full $700 billion, without any encumbrances, has become almost impossible politically in Congress.

The proposal agreed to in the Capitol meeting would allow $250 billion immediately followed by another $100 billion, for a total of $350 billion. What happens to the second $350 billion is sure to be the subject of intense bargaining still with Treasury. But lawmakers signaled that Congress would have the authority to deny any more money through a joint resolution—but that would have to overcome a presidential veto to do so.
Apart from Treasury, much will depend on how the markets react to this phased-in approach to the funding.

In testimony this week, Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke have emphasized that the government will proceed carefully — suggesting that not all the money is needed up front, in fact. But the administration and Federal Reserve officials argue that the psychological impact of the $700 billion commitment is important in itself, and Treasury will want to be sure it has access to the second $350 billion.

The cost debate illustrates just how nuanced the massive intervention will be. Paulson has often stumbled this week when trying to describe its intent, and the clearest voice has been Bernanke, a former college professor who casts the whole effort as an unprecedented experiment in "price discovery" that will add not just capital but also precious knowledge to jump-start the credit markets.

With the bursting of the U.S. housing bubble, mortgage-related securities are caught in a vicious downward cycle, commanding only "fire sale" prices, Bernanke says. The government purchases, through a series of novel auction mechanisms, will help the market value these assets, he says. And this could be the spark needed to get markets working and the economy’s engine turning over again.

This explanation is very different from the "bailout" imagery that surrounds the debate. And the great challenge for both sides has been to find some path in between these two poles — able to satisfy the anger voters feel for Wall Street but also leaving enough room for Bernanke's experiment to function.

One issue where this comes up is the question whether Treasury should demand warrants or options to hold stock in the companies — a way, perhaps, to turn a profit for taxpayers in the future. Many Democrats argue that this is only fair given the risk the Treasury is assuming by buying up the bad debts. But Bernanke worries that it will be seen as a punitive step and discourage companies from participating — and thereby reduce the competition in the market.
Do you even read what you quote or just quote it and hope no one else will. The ones who are saying that McCain screwed it up are the major Democratic leaders - who quickly pull back when it is pointed out to them, as this article clearly states, McCain isn't on board for the new proposal, he isn't pushing the new proposal. But hey, if you got a chance to tell a LIE, not a distortion, not spin but an out and out lie, what the heck, lets go for it.

You really can't make this stuff up.
 
Oh please, please, please send Palin to debate anyone....Obama could throw his eight year old daughter out there and I would put my money on the eight year old!!!!

It would make for great TV. The underdog vs the favorite....sorta like the Giants vs. Pats for the Superbowl....
 
ummm, well ummm, the ummm debate is supposed ummm you know umm to be between ummm presidential ummm candidates, so umm why would they send ummm Sarah Palin? Umm, that just ummm won't work.
 
Oh OP, a girl can dream!! I'd love to see Palin in a debate. Maybe then she'd know how a moose feels in the crosshairs. I think she has many admirable qualities, but she's not qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
 
What if a deal does not get worked out by tomorrow night, and McCain decides to stay in DC to work on a deal and since Obama is not willing to postpone the debate until next week, he sends Palin to Ole Miss to debate Obama on his behalf.

I think it would be brilliant, but thats just me.

Brilliant, as in one of the funny things you've ever seen on tv? That sort of brilliant? Monty Python type brilliant?
 
Oh OP, a girl can dream!! I'd love to see Palin in a debate. Maybe then she'd know how a moose feels in the crosshairs. I think she has many admirable qualities, but she's not qualified to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency.

And obama is qualified to be president? Come on now.
 
The Obama camp has been putting Palin up against Obama since she was announced. Why do you think the "inexperience" has any play at all? Because MSM keeps repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it.

Show me any foreign policy experience Obama has? Because he made some speeches in Europe and the Mid East (and pissed of the leaders of some of those countries) he has experience? The VP isn't supposed to have the most experience on a ticket, but the Democrats don't realize that. The VP isn't supposed to have the ONLY experience, but the Democrats don't realize that. Sarah Palin will have plenty of experience to be VP, and she will have time to get the experience during John McCain's presidency. Who will be President while Obama gains experience?


Ditto!! I totally agree with your post. Somehow the dems dont think it is such a big deal that O has less experience that SP....I have posted a couple times about this and was told that it was different because it was O and alot of talk but not alot of explanation how he was going to have the know how to lead the country....:scared1: Yeah, different :scared1: since the head honcho, the big kahuna, the whole enchilada wiill be the one with no experience if O gets elected.
 
Ditto!! I totally agree with your post. Somehow the dems dont think it is such a big deal that O has less experience that SP....I have posted a couple times about this and was told that it was different because it was O and alot of talk but not alot of explanation how he was going to have the know how to lead the country....:scared1: Yeah, different :scared1: since the head honcho, the big kahuna, the whole enchilada wiill be the one with no experience if O gets elected.

Gee, ya'd think that someone with 'experience' would have a clue what they heck it going around her, and the world, and in her family, ya?
 
What are you talking about? She can see Russia from HER HOUSE!!!

I recently changed parties from Republican to Deomocrat. The strange religous sect that the Republican Party has become is frightening to me. The fact that people would actually defend the choice of Palin is even more frightening. I am more educated than Palin and I know I could in no way run this country. Even respected members of the Republican party have said this. People that I have trust in. I really dont understand how this can be defended at all. Show me ANY foreign policy Palin has been a part of. Why would you put Palin up against Obama? She is not running for president McCain is. This is stunt is really getting to me and I usually keep out of these fights. There is no reason you can not fly down for a 90min debate and fly back. It is crazy we are even debating this.
 
To the original question--For some reason I think it would be hilarious! :rotfl:
 
Show me any foreign policy experience Obama has? Because he made some speeches in Europe and the Mid East (and pissed of the leaders of some of those countries) he has experience? The VP isn't supposed to have the most experience on a ticket, but the Democrats don't realize that. The VP isn't supposed to have the ONLY experience, but the Democrats don't realize that. Sarah Palin will have plenty of experience to be VP, and she will have time to get the experience during John McCain's presidency. Who will be President while Obama gains experience?

Well said.

Do you even read what you quote or just quote it and hope no one else will. The ones who are saying that McCain screwed it up are the major Democratic leaders - who quickly pull back when it is pointed out to them, as this article clearly states, McCain isn't on board for the new proposal, he isn't pushing the new proposal. But hey, if you got a chance to tell a LIE, not a distortion, not spin but an out and out lie, what the heck, lets go for it.

And I'm glad that someone is smart enough to not just sign away 700 BILLION dollars without weighing all the options and looking at alternatives that might be smarter for us in the long run.
 
It would be. I think Obama would lose. I believe McCain has the upper hand going into the debate tomorow night.

Absolutely JM has the upper hand. If he shows up he makes BHO look like a petty fool. If the Palin fantasy comes true it becomes a huge win no matter what.
 
What if a deal does not get worked out by tomorrow night, and McCain decides to stay in DC to work on a deal and since Obama is not willing to postpone the debate until next week, he sends Palin to Ole Miss to debate Obama on his behalf.

I think it would be brilliant, but thats just me.

It wouldn't be McCain's choice to send Palin... the presidential debate commission would have to ok it and they wouldn't let a stunt like that happen.

Since 80% of America polled feels the debate should happen then no way McCain does not show up.
 


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