What has happened to this site?

[morethananyonex]

There are lots of posts from people who have used the system and don't like it. There are lots of posts from people who have not used the system but don't like the concept. There are lots of posts from people who have used the system and liked it. There are lots of posts from people of have not used the system but like the concept. There are people from all these 4 groups complaining about people whose opinions differ. There is not one group that is sitting meekly.

Exactly. I would post one of those little thumbs up smileys if I wasn't on mobile. Imagine it here lol.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

Thank you for this! There are posters that are taking pictures on twitter from a holiday weekend, coupled with their disappointment in no longer using 8-10 FP- a day and adding in ridiuculous forward-looking statements that they claim are 100% fact - about a product that SOME haven't even used AND *key element* a product that is still in testing!

I am most interested to see what happens when the 2014 and 2015 financials roll in and people see that revenue and park attendence are still increasing.

To the OP: This particular board is rampant with complaints at the moment, from both sides. But the other boards, like Resorts, Restaurants, Trip Reports, they are all generally a bit more positive lately. So check them out and just toss on your sunglasses when people start throwing shade here on the TPAS board

 

[JanaDee]

There are lots of posts from people who have used the system and don't like it.

There are lots of posts from people who have not used the system but don't like the concept.

There are lots of posts from people who have used the system and liked it.

There are lots of posts from people of have not used the system but like the concept.

There are people from all these 4 groups complaining about people whose opinions differ. There is not one group that is sitting meekly.

 

[crostorfer]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

Well, you're a moderator. You can control the dumping and flaming, right? Or maybe just not in this forum, because aren't you kind of dumping on the people that don't like the system and calling them ignorant, right now?

 

[Jennasis]

The DIS is exactly the same as its ever been. There is an ebb and flow to this place that has existed since the beginning. Eventually it will die down.

Lecturing us will win you no points though.

 

[flicx]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

I beg to differ. You have no way of knowing if fast pass plus will be a success. The complaints on here are far more diverse than fast pass plus issues. Ticket increases, resort increases, cut backs of shows, spending billions elsewhere not on new attractions and many more will not just go away. Many people are seeing the end of their happy place vacations and are upset about it. They too get flamed for voicing their opinion. A person who comes to these boards should get a true opinion good or bad about Disney.

 

[FLchick415]

That goes for BOTH sides of the coin.

I don't disagree. I didn't say it was all coming from one particular "side" of the argument. I know it comes from both.

 

[rcraw45425]

Used it in October with nothing but positive results. Going back next month I admit a little trepidation, what bothers me the most it the tiering of rides, seems like this will increase the restrictions on your ride experience. Another thing we noticed in June and October was that the standby lines for former walk ons had increased, even on rides like POTC. Crowd levels were higher too. I think it's just more people than ever have discovered our Happy Place. This, coupled with the removal of legacy Fast Pass Machines and people not happy with changes are causing the *******. Think I'll probably be stepping away from the boards for a while.

 

[flicx]

Thank you for this! There are posters that are taking pictures on twitter from a holiday weekend, coupled with their disappointment in no longer using 8-10 FP- a day and adding in ridiuculous forward-looking statements that they claim are 100% fact - about a product that SOME haven't even used AND *key element* a product that is still in testing!

I am most interested to see what happens when the 2014 and 2015 financials roll in and people see that revenue and park attendence are still increasing.

To the OP: This particular board is rampant with complaints at the moment, from both sides. But the other boards, like Resorts, Restaurants, Trip Reports, they are all generally a bit more positive lately. So check them out and just toss on your sunglasses when people start throwing shade here on the TPAS board

You also throw information out as fact that necessarily may not be fact. Disney reports their own attendance numbers. No one has access to those numbers, the TEA numbers are an estimate. So it is all relevant to what Disney says the numbers are.

 

[surferdave]

I am in shock at the transition these posts have gone through over the last year or so. It used to be full of people celebrating their trips, talking about favorite rides and strategies and people looking for help on something.

It has now been overrun by people complaining about FP+, Price Increases and as much fighting and arguing as other forums sites.

This used to be a special place where you didnt have all the luggage other forum sites had....that has all changed.

I used to come here because this was a happy place, and made me feel good thinking about our trips and disney....now its just depressing and full of negativity.

I've been here for just a little bit less time than you going by the sidebar info, and I never found this forum to be more "feel good" than any others. I probably wouldn't have hung around if it was, I would have presumed it was over moderated.

But your first two paragraphs remind me of something. I've had problem solving/causal analysis training from a company that offers both training and expert problem solving services. The trainer/problem solvers told me that when they get hired to come into a business and work on a tough problem, the root cause usually becomes pretty evident as soon as someone says "we don't understand, we've had this problem ever since ________ happened".

 

[timwhackymouse]

Lately WDW is making it difficult to enjoy. The recent changes have made it frustrating and have disappointed many. Hope in the future things change.

 

[minnie mum]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

Possibly.
IF Disney manages to work all of the kinks and glitches out of the new system.
IF Disney removes some of the restrictions on FP+
IF Disney starts to allow ALL guests to book their FP+s in advance.
IF those who post their experiences using the new system are, in the VAST majority positive.
IF those who have not yet visited under the new system can be assured that their concerns are baseless.
IF Disney stops all of these "death by a thousand cuts" pullbacks.
And, dare I mention, IF Disney stops increasing prices more than once a year.

THEN a lot of the angst will have gone away. But that is not now.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

You also throw information out as fact that necessarily may not be fact. Disney reports their own attendance numbers. No one has access to those numbers, the TEA numbers are an estimate. So it is all relevant to what Disney says the numbers are.

I put information out there from a reputable industry report. How exactly can anyone be 100% sure that FP+ is going to fail? I am not saying it will absolutely succeed.

And how on earth would anyone get attendance numbers a different way? Should TEA employ a person to sit at the front turnstiles of every single theme park on earth every single day with a little counter? Honestly - of course they report their own attendance numbers as do Universal, Sea World and Nusch Gardens. There is no other way to obtain this information.

AND, as you are refering to my statements about Disney's price increases, they don't need to justify them. They can raise them every month, every week, every day if they want to. They are a business, they exist to make money.

 

[ShannonMB]

The DIS is exactly the same as its ever been. There is an ebb and flow to this place that has existed since the beginning. Eventually it will die down.

I totally agree with this - there's never been a shortage of snarky people who think only their own opinion matters around here - just so happens that right now there are major changes at the World that frankly just don't work for a lot of your average hard-core DISers. We are used to being able to take advantage of little secrets and loopholes (and justifiably so, IMO) because we do our research and spend a lot of time doing it, and Disney has taken a big chunk of that off the table. A lot of us have our touring styles down to a science, and boy, are they being overhauled. Bound to be a little over-the-top outrage at that. The more "passionate" posters will eventually simmer down.

 

[kittyab]

I agree, I don't enjoy this particular board as much. I felt like I was being attacked from one posted because I was happy with my DVC membership and that I felt it will pay for itself after a couple of uses.

 

[richmo]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

I hope you're right. These forums used to be an excellent source of information and I would direct "newbies" here, rather than guidebooks. Now I hesitate to do that, because of the level of complaining, especially about FP+. I was able to use it in November, and overall was pleased with it. My only gripe was and is that hoppers and AP's should be able to split their FP's for the day.

However, because this website is a forum, members have the right to criticize or commend any changes that Disney makes. Unfortunately, much of the criticism has turned more destructive than constructive: "I'm never going back to Disney", etc., yet those never going back continue with post after post. Instead of discussing strategies to maximize enjoyment of the parks, many seem more interested in destroying it.

To me, a visit to Disney is an experience, not necessarily measured by how many rides I can pack in on a day. Yes, the FP+ experience is evolving, and isn't going to be perfect right away...and probably never will be. I would encourage those with legitimate concerns about the system continue to raise those issues, but they should do so in a constructive manner and maybe these boards could be useful again.

 

[TDC Nala]

This is pretty much a fan site. Which means regular visitors. We know we are no longer the audience Disney has a whole lot of interest in attracting or keeping. Which becomes more obvious with each passing year. I do think it's not right to vent your disgust at Disney onto other posters who don't share it.

Yes, that probably does present a skewed viewpoint to the newbies, but that can't be helped, since the vets on this board know more about Disney World than its own employees do much of the time.

 

[mom2rtk]

I hope you're right. These forums used to be an excellent source of information and I would direct "newbies" here, rather than guidebooks. Now I hesitate to do that, because of the level of complaining, especially about FP+. I was able to use it in November, and overall was pleased with it. My only gripe was and is that hoppers and AP's should be able to split their FP's for the day.

I would absolutely direct anyone here wanting to make the most of a Disney trip. I would just direct them to avoid all FP thread except for the 3 linked in Mesaboy's signature.

Oh, and I would direct them to avoid threads with any title similar to "What has happened to this site?".

You want to meet Anna & Elsa without waiting 4 hours? Lots of friendly folks willing to help you do that. Want to time your BBB apt with dinner at 1900 PF? Lots of friendly folks will help you avoid a timing error. Want to know whether you can do early ticket pick-up? Lots of help with no angst.

 

[JRawkSteady]

I know I'm reiterating some other comments, but the DIS boards have always been like this. There was a long period of time I did not even come here to look because of overwhelming negativity and personal attacks. It was bringing out a lot of anger in me that I didn't even know was there. So in the end, it was my choice to let DIS go for a little while.. But I came back a couple years later. I honestly think it's calmed down slightly from then, though. The attacks on here are more about Disney (as they should be) and less about politics, race, religion, and personal choice. Don't worry, once FP+ dies down, it shall go back to the way it was.

 

[5dizneynutz]

I hope you're right. These forums used to be an excellent source of information and I would direct "newbies" here, rather than guidebooks. Now I hesitate to do that, because of the level of complaining, especially about FP+. I was able to use it in November, and overall was pleased with it. My only gripe was and is that hoppers and AP's should be able to split their FP's for the day.

However, because this website is a forum, members have the right to criticize or commend any changes that Disney makes. Unfortunately, much of the criticism has turned more destructive than constructive: "I'm never going back to Disney", etc., yet those never going back continue with post after post. Instead of discussing strategies to maximize enjoyment of the parks, many seem more interested in destroying it.

To me, a visit to Disney is an experience, not necessarily measured by how many rides I can pack in on a day. Yes, the FP+ experience is evolving, and isn't going to be perfect right away...and probably never will be. I would encourage those with legitimate concerns about the system continue to raise those issues, but they should do so in a constructive manner and maybe these boards could be useful again.