What has happened to this site?

[jimim]

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

i have used it twice now and have zero issues except on the first day getting into the room and in 5 mins it was corrected. the other 14 days i have used it perfect. period. i even had an active thread about it when down there the first time. i have no problems with it.

price increases. . . ya they suck but its the whole world. food goes up. gas goes up. living costs in general go up. why can't disney's.

jim

 

[Sandy Fisher]

I read and researched for a long time before I registered on the site so that I could occasionally post. Don't post often, but when a question was asked that I thought I could help with, I answered. When I had questions or concerns, I was able to ask and usually find answers.
We've been going to Disney since 1982 regularly. We were FL residents, had APs and were frequent "day" visitors also.
Feel that I have a right to be concerned or question changes. Also feel that everyone has a right to be concerned with the most recent changes. We had hoped to come back to Disney one more time (now that we moved 1,000 miles away) and do it before the FP+ came into total use. Didn't quite make it. My fault. DH's fault. Wanted to be in FL last October. Didn't happen. Now we're scheduled for May and I'm dreading it.
I've decided a number of times to cancel -- before it cost us too much to cancel -- and changed my mind. As much as I want to enjoy our last trip (age, distance, health, etc.) I'm afraid it's been "messed with" too much this time.
We aren't complicated people. We did our park visits in very simple ways and that worked for us. Now it's complicated whether we want it or not. Whether we want to adjust, change, make choices months in advance, debate whether to park hop or not, etc.
Hopefully the opinion that a year from now all this grousing, complaining, concern will be old history. Sure hope so.
I maybe would have been able to adjust had we still lived in FL and we could go on a day by day basis and "try it out". Don't like HUGE changes in my life unless they're for the better. I don't see this as better for us. And after 30+ years I think I know what's good for us.
Just sayin'

 

[drew64]

Seriously ?? Read her first statement.

"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used." = people who are complaining about it haven't used it.


These two are not = statements at all.

Lots does not equal all.

 

[LSchrow]

When you've been here as long as I have, and you possibly have, and been to WDW as many times as I have, you start to see a trend. There are always changes...and there are always people saying they aren't getting their money's worth, and Disney isn't what it used to be. That's nothing new. But I do know that after a few months, things calm down...doesn't matter whether something is a success or not..people get used to it and go on with their lives. ......Yes, it will probably be something else...it always is.

over my 14+ years of DisBoards (& many, many WDW vacations), it really doesn't seem like there is a higher percentage of users complaining, just more users in general

like tink said: the complaints will change to something else eventually - it is up to each person to decide which type of vacation (and life) one prefers.

things change, life goes on....vacation is one place where stress should be minimal, and i will work (play) with available options to keep ours that way

 

[mom2rtk]

It is also up to each person to decide which threads to read.

 

[jimim]

There is still a wealth of info on the Disboards for first time visitors and veterans alike I would also direct them to visit the PTR & TR threads too

problem is getting answers without a thread being buried by all the other stuff anymore. . .

 

[Shaden]

Last time I checked "lots of people" does not mean ALL THE PEOPLE.

Seriously ?? Read her first statement.

"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used." = people who are complaining about it haven't used it.


These two are not = statements at all.

Lots does not equal all.

Context people ? Really, do we not teach English anymore ?

"Lots of people complain about Ford mustangs have never driven one. Everyone who drives a ford mustang loves it"

Yur right, you could still pick out the first statement and say "Lots of people" doesn't mean ALL PEOPLE. But read in context, that's exactly what it means.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Context people ? Really, do we not teach English anymore ?

"Lots of people complain about Ford mustangs have never driven one. Everyone who drives a ford mustang loves it"

Yur right, you could still pick out the first statement and say "Lots of people" doesn't mean ALL PEOPLE. But read in context, that's exactly what it means.

You really don't want argue over semantics with me.

ORIGINAL POST

Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully.
Mark my words...come back here in a year. You won't see the angst you are seeing now. It will have all gone away, and everyone will be in their 'happy place' again.

"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used"
does not imply that ALL complaints have been made by people who have never used FP+. It implies that many people who are complaining about FP+ have not used it yet.

"And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed....."

Nowhere in that statement does she assign it to ONLY positive FP+ experiences. It does NOT say "and when someone posts their GOOD experience using it". There is ambiguity there - her statement is that ANY report on using FP+ gets flamed - negative and positive. This is true.

FOLLOW UP POST

Don't get me wrong.....there are issues on both sides of the argument. Everyone (and it's human nature) wants to believe that 'their' experience is the right one. And that's kind of impossible. Not everyone can be right. Wouldn't it be nice if people just posted their particular experiences, without fear of being told that it is exaggerated in some way? And again, that goes or both sides of any argument/discussion.

She expressly states that there are two sides to the argument and there are issues on both sides.

Also, that ANYONE posting an experience is having elements of it criticized or exagerated. Anyone that posts about long FP+ waits has people reply "see! it isn't as effective as FP-" and anyone that posts about short FP+ waits has people reply "see! it isn't affecting wait times at all!"

I have absolutely been guilty of exagerating this topic. But it isn't all on the Pro FP+ or the Con FP+ side. Everyone has blood on their hands in this debate.

 

[damo]

Since the OP's question was "What has happened to this site? ... now its just depressing and full of negativity." perhaps goofy4tink meant that the EXCESS negativity is being caused by "lots of people complaining about something they have never used". However, there are many instances where people just reporting their personal experiences have been accused of being excessively negative and ruining the vacation of others. For example, http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3239236

If we are going to point the negativity finger, it can be pointed in all directions.

 

[magicbob]

Most of the anti-FP comments are just that, anti-fp+. There are a few people here who do attempt to throw in some humorous criticisms, and while criticizing the logic of someone, I will agree they might go overboard, but the target of their comments are the system and the logic its supporters offer. Not the people themselves.

Debating does not equal arguing. But some people take it entirely too personally if someone presents a contrarian viewpoint.

Seriously ?? Read her first statement.

"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used." = people who are complaining about it haven't used it.

These two are not = statements at all.

Lots does not equal all.

Of course "lots" does not equal "all." But in context it could be taken this way: Not ALL the people are complaining, but LOTS are. There are LOTS of complaints... and those complaints are being made by people who have never used it. I'm not saying is what the PP meant. But it could be taken that way.

 

[freediverdude]

The boards will eventually calm down, yes, but, it won't necessarily be because everybody is happy. A lot of people will have simply left Disney and these boards behind, leaving the people who are happy with the situation, and leaving Disney with less visitors, especially less repeat visitors. This is not what we and Disney should want, in my opinion, but I guess that's up to Disney to decide if they are happy with only the visitors who like all these changes.

 

[Shaden]

You really don't want argue over semantics with me.

ORIGINAL POST



"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used"
does not imply that ALL complaints have been made by people who have never used FP+. It implies that many people who are complaining about FP+ have not used it yet.

"And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed....."

Nowhere in that statement does she assign it to ONLY positive FP+ experiences. It does NOT say "and when someone posts their GOOD experience using it". There is ambiguity there - her statement is that ANY report on using FP+ gets flamed - negative and positive. This is true.

I really do want to . Her follow up post is of no consequence, since people are being criticized for responding only to the post on the initial page of this thread.

Its hilarious you are actually doing exactly what I was pointing to, taking each portion, and analyzing them OUT OF CONTEXT ... HILARIOUS.

"Lots of people complaining about something they have never used. And when someone posts about their experienced, using it? They get dumped on and flamed.....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully."

Read the entire thing. "Lots of people are complaining about something they have never used" on its own, not saying its only people complaining that have never used it, but add in "And when someone posts about their experience, using it? They get dumped on and flamed....those that haven't used the product yet obviously know more than those that have used it successfully"

The people complaining about it are juxtaposed with people who have "actually used it" those people "get flamed" by people who "haven't used it" but obviously know better than those who "have used it successfully"

You notice that last part ? "those that have used it successfully" That's kinda the key here, you know, they part you mostly leave out of your analysis ?

So people who have not used the system complaining, juxtaposed with those that post about their experience (to which the later "those who have used it successfully belongs") those people get flamed by people who haven't used the system but obviously know better.

The flamers are the people who haven't used the system, they likers are the people who have used the system successfully.

I mean, really, its simply English, sentence and paragraph construction. But please, continue to argue away.

 

[Rip]

Lol

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I mean, really, its simply English, sentence and paragraph construction.

I have no idea what the OP meant, but I know what she said, and you are 100% correct.

But people see and hear what they want to see and hear. Since the OP's post was factually correct, it had to be "interpreted" to mean something else so it could be attacked. I mean, we can't let something as simple as a call for calm go unassailed on the Dis.

 

[JRawkSteady]

debating does not equal arguing. But some people take it entirely too personally if someone presents a contrarian viewpoint.

this!

 

[maxiesmom]

Last time I checked "lots of people" does not mean ALL THE PEOPLE.

That is what I thought too. But then this thread can't go off on a tangent if someone doesn't become offended by something.

 

[skylizard]

That is what I thought too. But then this thread can't go off on a tangent if someone doesn't become offended by something.

I'm offended by your comment



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[maxiesmom]

I'm offended by your comment



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Then my job here is done.

 

[goofy4tink]

That is what I thought too. But then this thread can't go off on a tangent if someone doesn't become offended by something.

You know what offends me??? When a poster mentions the lack of logo'd napkins! Now, that's something to be cranky about. That and the lack of restaurant specific swizzle sticks! Now, that has had a hugely negative impact on my experiences!

I'm sorry my thoughts were taken and twisted and have caused such angst. I guess it just proves my point in a way. Not sure why people have to try and find some hidden meaning in a post. Sometimes, your brain moves more quickly than your fingers.....then you don't get your thoughts put down exactly how you intended.

Let me ask those of you that have taken issue with my posts. If there are (for the sake of discussion) 5,000 people. There are 3,000 of them that don't care for something. I would feel safe saying 'a lot of people don't care for xyz' I don't think that means 'all'. I don't, for a minute, think that 'all' the people who dislike FP+ have never used it....and I never intimated that. But, if you look at posts, on this board, there are 'a lot' of people that are saying they don't like FP+, and they have yet to use it. They are making assumptions, based on what they read hear. Yes, there are also people that have used FP+ and hate it. No one is arguing that they are wrong. But the same goes for those that have no issue with FP+......some (I'll go out on a limb and use 'a lot' ) have used it and had no issue at all and liked it, while others have yet to use it, but are looking forward to giving it a try.

As I said before...I don't much care where you stand on the issue. But I sure do get cranky when someone posts their personal experience and others jump all over them, sometimes even to the point of saying they are lying! And yes, that had happened to posters on both sides. It's just not fair to make people hesitant about posting, for fear of bring chastised.

I'm done with FP+ discussions. In the big picture, it's just not that big a deal to me. Off to get those logo'd napkins and swizzle sticks back.......now, that's important!

 

[Cyrano]

Time to get back to planning and posting what you like and dislike about WDW rather than each other