what happens to future resort availability on resale contracts?

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I'm a current resale contact owner. We just closed in August. This thought just popped in my head. With the current resale restrictions limiting resale contract owners to everything prior to Riveria, will the available resorts dwindle down even more as the older resorts hit their expiration dates and turnover to whatever DVC had planned for them. For example, Boardwalk expires in 2042 and DVC remodels it, changes the name and starts selling new contracts, will that resort no longer be available to resale contract owners?

Sorry in my advance if this is in the wrong spot. I wasn't sure this should go here or under purchasing.
 
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Current resale buyers are prohibited from future resorts, so, as it stands now, those resorts will no longer be part of the trading if DVD decides to remodel and resell them.

Based on what was done for RIV, my guess is that is how things will continue into the future.
 
Right, the resorts will continue to dwindle down over time. SSR is particularly large, and it going out in 2057 will take out a lot of points.

This should be considered in your exit strategy.
 
While I did purchase all of my points direct, I would be fine purchasing resales, even with this restriction. When you look at the points charts for the newer resorts compared to older resorts like OKW, BWV and AKL, there is no way, even as a direct purchaser, that I would be inclined to stay at newer resorts, except for maybe ONCE to check them out. If you're a younger person, purchasing resale can still get you nearly 40 years of affordable Disney World vacations, just be sure to buy at a resort you like, as you may eventually be limited to that resort as our older resorts reach maturity. Remember, that with the extension they did, OKW will be around until 2057.
 
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can still get you nearly 40 years

It's basically 2021 and AKVs last full year is 2056 which is 35 years. If you are in your 30s you get to or partially in retirement, if your in your 20s you seeing the contract end before you get to retirement.

I would do the full math as well since shorter contracts still have high upfront costs that possibly can impact the math. Sure less points per night but cost of each point is higher based on shorter time.

As far as point costs:
BLT is in same ballpark as RIV (moderatly high)
VGF is highest point chart
Poly is only studios and high point charts
CCV has supply issues with studios

you may eventually be limited to that resort as

Think about it this way why is someone at VGF, BLT, POLY, or CCV going to move? AKV is a draw for a sporadic trip likely but is OKW or SSR going to get anyone planning 7-11 months out for these resorts?

Today Rooms Without Restrictions at WDW:
4679 total rooms in the resorts without restrictions
25% at MK
17% at Epcot
13% at AK
44% at SSR/OKW

In 2042 until 2054: 20% of rooms will expire (all near MK/Epcot)
28% of rooms by MK
0% of rooms by Epcot
16% of rooms by AK
56% of rooms at SSR/OKW

Total Points across all DVC In 2042 in resorts without resale restrictions: (57,367,132 points left)
23% of points will be next to MK
0% of points will be next to Epcot
13% of points will be next to AK
38% of points will be OKW/SSR
26% of points outside of WDW (AUL mostly and VGC) [Currently 22% are outside of WDW]
 
Think about it this way why is someone at VGF, BLT, POLY, or CCV going to move? AKV is a draw for a sporadic trip likely but is OKW or SSR going to get anyone planning 7-11 months out for these resorts?

I don't plan to hold my SSR long enough to find out, but consider the inflating point charts. DVC trends suggest more mediocre location, giant properties with increasingly shocking point charts. Those resorts might looks less and less appealing against post-2042 OKW/SSR, also mediocre location and giant, but with that legacy chart. I mean plenty people do buy now for that reason to stay at those resorts, because their objective is less cost.
 
I don't plan to hold my SSR long enough to find out, but consider the inflating point charts. DVC trends suggest more mediocre location, giant properties with increasingly shocking point charts. Those resorts might looks less and less appealing against post-2042 OKW/SSR, also mediocre location and giant, but with that legacy chart. I mean plenty people do buy now for that reason to stay at those resorts, because their objective is less cost.

Someone will own there though. As long as you understand your plan long term.

The last 5 resorts built were tied directly to parks. Even with RIV while it's not top tier location has the Skyliner and has things like centralized resort and top 3 room sizes across the board (largest studios for a resort that has 1BR/2BR as well).

As far as cheap point charts for SSR and OKW they have to be. The people that buy to stay there buy there they don't buy BLT and then go to SSR which is the point. Also if future resorts stay at SSR doesn't help resale owners there anyways.

Even direct Disney has to give a sizeable discount on those resorts to make them move.

Like I said it's just something to be aware of. I don't plan on ever selling though I would just start renting my points out instead if there was a couple years I wanted to dial it back.
 
DIsney does NOT give a sizable discount for direct purchase of OKW and SSR, especially when you consider the original selling price of those resorts. All of my OKW points were purchased direct between 1992 and 1997, for an average price of $53.50 per point. They are selling for far more than twice that direct. And yes, depending upon what room type and time of travel. I do book right at 11 months out. In fact, I am walking an OKW accessible GV right now for Thanksgiving, as there are only 3 of them. And remember, comparing 1992 prices to today, it was a large investment at the time, especially when you consider the minimum purchase was 230 points back then. Now doing the math, that means I paid $18,458 for 345 points, which, with current discounts/incentives would cost $61,710 at Riviera. And in the next to lowest point season, I can stay not quite 4 1/2 weeks in an OKW studio, or not quite 3 weeks in a Riviera Standard Studio.
 
DIsney does NOT give a sizable discount for direct purchase of OKW and SSR, especially when you consider the original selling price of those resorts.

Original selling price is irrelevant its 2020 it is not 1991 and pricing across the board has went up at WDW. They are even pricing SSR/OKW not to sell as well as active resorts if it was active in sales and they were trying to move it like RIV or more recently CCV you would see another $5/$10 point drop on top of discounts being offered as well.

Disney is giving a 15% discount off Riviera/AUL, 12% off BRV, 18% off BWV, 30% off BLT, and 35% off VGF. Then account for SSR/OKW having low point charts on top of that and while OKW has higher MFs you have SSR with fairly good MFs in comparison to the rest of WDW.
 
Today Rooms Without Restrictions at WDW:
4679 total rooms in the resorts without restrictions
25% at MK
17% at Epcot
13% at AK
44% at SSR/OKW
I know we’re used to talking about the Original 14 resales as “no restrictions,” but if we’re going to talk about the future state of DVC it’s not true that they have no restrictions. They’ll be restricted from RIV, DL Tower, Reflections and any other resort that might be built in the next 22 to 37 years (which includes the replacements for the expiring 2042 resorts). If you’re purchasing with the intent of using your points post 2042, that’s important to keep in mind.
 
I know we’re used to talking about the Original 14 resales as “no restrictions,” but if we’re going to talk about the future state of DVC it’s not true that they have no restrictions. They’ll be restricted from RIV, DL Tower, Reflections and any other resort that might be built in the next 22 to 37 years (which includes the replacements for the expiring 2042 resorts). If you’re purchasing with the intent of using your points post 2042, that’s important to keep in mind.
That was exactly my point. You really have to look at the long term effects of the resale restrictions. What's the value of the resale market going to be as the number available resorts to stay at drops off? For example, I own at PVB. For the last ten years of my contract I'll be down to four resort options (PVB, BLT, VGF, CCV). Mostly high point resorts (granted I own at PVB so I can't complain).
 
Which goes back to the old oft given advice, buy where you want to stay. In 28 years of membership, I've only not stayed on points at OKW once, and that was at PVB. Not that I wouldn't like to try AKV ond BLT, but I just haven't. So the option is nice, but if I couldn't ever stay anywhere but my home resort, I'm fine with that, too...as long as we continue to get booking priority windows over non-owners, and that, per agreements, can't be less than a one month priority. You know, DVC has the right in our contracts, to restrict all of us to our home resorts, whether direct or resale.
 
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Which goes back to the old oft given advice, buy where you want to stay. In 28 years of membership, I've only not stayed on points at OKW once, and that was at PVB. Not that I wouldn't like to try AKV ond BLT, but I just haven't. So the option is nice, bit if I couldn;t ever stay anywhere but my home resort, I'm fine with that, too...as long as we continue to get booking priority windows over non-owners, and that, per agreements, can't be less than a one month priority. You know, DVC has the right in our contracts, to restrict all of us to our home resorts, whether direct or resale.

You bring up such great points and that 11 to 7 ratio is not guaranteed. At some point it can changed to make the difference larger,

So, buy where one wants to be...or it at least happy if that where you have to be and don’t worry about the rest,
 
So true! It's one reason I own at multiple resorts. To not only get that 11 month window, but also so that if I get stuck there, I'm happy with where I will be.
Just to clarify: If you owned 100 points each at eight different DVC resorts (total of 800 points), the 11 month window is available for each resort but only for the 100 points you own in THAT resort--the other 700 points can't be used at the 11 month window for any given resort, correct?
 
Just to clarify: If you owned 100 points each at eight different DVC resorts (total of 800 points), the 11 month window is available for each resort but only for the 100 points you own in THAT resort--the other 700 points can't be used at the 11 month window for any given resort, correct?
Correct. Only home resort points get the home resort window.
 
Just to clarify: If you owned 100 points each at eight different DVC resorts (total of 800 points), the 11 month window is available for each resort but only for the 100 points you own in THAT resort--the other 700 points can't be used at the 11 month window for any given resort, correct?
Correct! Only the points for that resort can be used at the 11 month mark. So if you’re short, you’ll need to bank or borrow or wait for the 7 month mark.

For example sometimes we’ll book a split stay and then try to switch at 7 months. Likewise when I booked a trip for my family at BRV, I booked 4 nights for everyone and when the 7 month window I added on another night using my SSR points.
 
My understanding is that yes if they collapse any of the current timeshares and create a new one they would no longer be available if the follow the Riviera model It is however very unlikely that they will do this with the majority of 2042 resorts since the glut of points would leave a very large number of rooms empty since it world take 10+ years to sell those points and no where near enough cash demand to fill them
 
My understanding is that yes if they collapse any of the current timeshares and create a new one they would no longer be available if the follow the Riviera model It is however very unlikely that they will do this with the majority of 2042 resorts since the glut of points would leave a very large number of rooms empty since it world take 10+ years to sell those points and no where near enough cash demand to fill them

Except at that point those resorts have more than paid for themselves so it won’t matter.

So, I would bet we will see all them redone and then resolve with new point charts.

Or, they will allow owners to buy an extension but it will be with the be with new points chart kicking in and a restriction on resale as well.
 
Except at that point those resorts have more than paid for themselves so it won’t matter.

So, I would bet we will see all them redone and then resolve with new point charts.

Or, they will allow owners to buy an extension but it will be with the be with new points chart kicking in and a restriction on resale as well.
Disney is most interested in ongoing profits not past performance. extensions would not allow for changes to total points
 



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