What Does The Majority Think re: Prices

Even with everything that's closed over the last couple years, all our trips have been enjoyable and we always find something new to do. We went twice in 2014 and twice last year, and also made a one day visit to MK on what was supposed to be a Universal-only trip :) Of course we're not happy about the price increases and we'd be a bit more ok with them if the construction went a little faster, but as long as we still enjoy our trips and feel we get our $$ worth, we'll keep going.
 
We are planning on going in Sept this year. When all is said and done, I believe the cost of my family of 5 staying at AofA will be about 8-10K. Since that was so much, I decided to price out some other vacation options....and, I have to say, they weren't much cheaper. Disney is so expensive, but a lot of other things are too. Family of 5 to Europe....no way. All-inclusive in Mexico...hard to get at that price. And, it's so much harder to find hotels that sleep 5 anywhere you try and research. I could definitely handle the high cost of everything if the big wigs didn't make millions of $$ each year. That for me is always the disgusting part.
 
I expect a price increase every year, so that in and of itself is not shocking or even remarkable. I'm sad to see them going toward tiered pricing, because anyone who thinks they aren't heading that way with multi-day tickets as well is just fooling themselves. I also think we will see the differential for non-value days go higher with every annual increase. What we got this weekend was just the opening shot. They got the frog into the water. Soon enough they will turn up the heat and the frog won't even consider jumping out.

But mostly I'm very saddened to see them raising prices so much in the midst of cutting so many things in the parks at the very moment they are heading into one of their peak seasons. It's the timing of those things together that gets my attention more than anything.

I mean, are they REALLY going to stick with so many 9 AM openings in March? Are they really going to go with so few early EMH days the week after Easter? I suppose they are. I'm just saddened by the total package of what they are up to these days.
 
We are planning on going in Sept this year. When all is said and done, I believe the cost of my family of 5 staying at AofA will be about 8-10K. Since that was so much, I decided to price out some other vacation options....and, I have to say, they weren't much cheaper. Disney is so expensive, but a lot of other things are too. Family of 5 to Europe....no way. All-inclusive in Mexico...hard to get at that price. And, it's so much harder to find hotels that sleep 5 anywhere you try and research. I could definitely handle the high cost of everything if the big wigs didn't make millions of $$ each year. That for me is always the disgusting part.

We are a family of 7, although our next trip only 5 of us will be going. In many ways the pricing doesn't really have of an impact because we are spending less on Disney trips now. Our next trip for food, gas, transportation, and Disney will cost us about $6,000 for a week. Sure that's a lot but I've looked and we couldn't do Europe for that much. Disney is something we all enjoy.
 

My only b*tch is that it's being reported that already booked packages will be affected by the price hike if you change anything about your reservation, INCLUDING adding a promo.

I was looking forward to getting some money off the room this summer, but if my tickets might rise then it's not worth it. :mad:
 
I expect a price increase every year, so that in and of itself is not shocking or even remarkable. I'm sad to see them going toward tiered pricing, because anyone who thinks they aren't heading that way with multi-day tickets as well is just fooling themselves. I also think we will see the differential for non-value days go higher with every annual increase. What we got this weekend was just the opening shot. They got the frog into the water. Soon enough they will turn up the heat and the frog won't even consider jumping out.

But mostly I'm very saddened to see them raising prices so much in the midst of cutting so many things in the parks at the very moment they are heading into one of their peak seasons. It's the timing of those things together that gets my attention more than anything.

I mean, are they REALLY going to stick with so many 9 AM openings in March? Are they really going to go with so few early EMH days the week after Easter? I suppose they are. I'm just saddened by the total package of what they are up to these days.

ITA. And when I saw your frog analogy (one of my favorites, to the point of probably overusing it when discussing price increases and/or reduction in quality), it reminded me of when the survey about tiered pricing came out last spring, and our various reactions to it:

http://disboards.com/threads/new-survey-proposal-tiered-ticket-prices.3413789/page-15#post-53756150

Guess they decided they'd turn that knob a little more and trust us froggies to keep enjoying the warm water.
 
First, why I’m fine with it.

If this price increase is what tipped you from “Disney is reasonable” to “This is outrageous” then you’re doing a lot better economically than I am. “This is outrageous” came and went for me years ago.

I’m not saying it doesn’t matter. Of course it does. I’m not saying that it won’t price some people (maybe even me) out, because it will.

What I’m saying is this: Disney has (at least for the last couple of decades) never been a financially rational choice. Disney is stupid expensive.

“But Disney should be something every middle class American family can do!”

Let me ask you a question – why only the middle class? Are you going to be the one to tell the poor kids “sorry, I didn’t mean you.”

And for those of you who say Disney used to be a middle class thing, you must have lived in a different middle class than I did. It’s always (in my lifetime) been expensive. My mom promised she’d take me before I turned 10. I got there at 12 (no toddler wonder experience for me) with 1 day in MK and 1 day in Epcot, and didn’t get to go back until I was in my late 30s. (And I was thrilled both times!)

Is it more exclusive now than it was 30 years ago? Sure.

But then again 30 years ago, huge enormous swaths of the American (let alone the world) population couldn’t afford it either.

The line changes, but there is always a line between “can” and “can’t.” I know, because I’m on the wrong side of it all the time. I love NFL football. LOVE IT. I haven’t gone to a live game in more than 20 years because I just can’t bear the ticket prices.

Life is full of velvet ropes. And if you didn’t notice the velvet rope at Disney 30 years ago, it’s because you were on the right side of it, not because it wasn’t there.

Heck, my upcoming trip is the first time I’ll ever stay on property because I could never afford it – and it will be at Pop Century on a huge discount in a standard room. I can’t even fathom staying at Animal Kingdom Lodge, even though I’ve dreamed of it since the day it opened. Some of you go there once a year. For me, it’s a “maybe, just maybe before I die” type thing. Even the “moderate” resorts are way outside my league. “Moderate?!” Our definition of moderate must be very different.

I pack food because I can’t afford to Disney food all the time. I get reservations to experience restaurants, but only buy appetizers because I can’t afford a full meal.

I don’t like it, but I get it. There are some things I’m priced out of, at least for now. (I’m gonna get rich one day, just like every other American, right?!) Such is life.

That just comes with the territory. Always has, always will.

But can’t it be different!? Let’s do a little thought experiment…

So you hate that Disney is pricing people out. So let’s do this. Imagine if it wasn’t like this. How about these options instead.

The “We’re Sorry” pricing plan. Disney comes out tomorrow with the following announcement: “We’re sorry everyone. We’ve priced Disney outside the reach of too many people, so as of tomorrow here’s our new pricing package - $35 for a one day pass to MK, and $25 for the other parks.” Can you imagine the headlines in a few months? “Disney Guests Irate! Wait times for Country Bear Jamboree hit 3 hours!” “Disney announces the suspension of Star Wars land – We just can’t afford it, but we won’t price people out of a Disney vacation, so we’ll make do with what we have.”

The “Bernie Sanders” pricing plan. In reaction to pressure from the public, Disney CEO has moved to free tickets, subsidized by tax dollars. “A Disney vacation is an American birthright, and everyone should have access, regardless of their income.” Since the parks cannot handle the number of people who want to come for free, Disney is now implementing a waiting list. To make sure every American family has a chance to live their Disney dreams, no family can ‘double dip’ by coming more than once a decade. “Make sure you get that one trip while your kid is still under 20!” says Iger.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying either of these is wrong. They are perfectly reasonable options that Disney could implement instead of what they’ve done. But I’m guessing we’d be just as upset – probably more. Most of us are, at heart, free marketers. Of course we want it to be cheap, but we also want the opportunity to earn our way there and go when we can afford to.

Tentaguasu’s (that’s me) dream golden ticket scenario: Once a year, Disney has a crazy luxury week. Tickets are $1000 per person, hotel rooms are double price, food is amazing with celebrity chefs, wait times are 5 minutes on everything, limo rides everywhere, 24 hours at every park. A really luxury escape, red carpet to the hilt. Call it “Disney’s Week of Luxury.” And this is what the CEO would announce. “This is a chance for our wealthiest guests to have a true 5-star experience at Disney from top to bottom, true rock star treatment. But we’re not earning a red cent on it. Disney has made kids dream of magical worlds the world over – rich kids, poor kids, and 80 year old kids. We’re a for-profit company, but we understand that we are the stewards of something special that everyone should at least be able to dream of visiting. So we’re taking the earnings from the 50,000 people who come for the Week of Luxury each year, and using that to host a “Dream Week” where we randomly give away full, all-expense paid trips to Disney World for 50,000 families across the entire world that could never afford to come on their own. It’s our way of keeping the Disney dream alive for everyone.”

So that’s never going to happen, but I’m still OK with the price increases.

BUT… here are my demands:

But I’m not giving Disney a full pass. Because just like they are demanding more money from me, I have some demands for them.

Be decent. I can’t stomach fat cat compensation packages while bottom of the line workers get their hours cut and are struggling. Not magical. At all.

Here’s the deal Disney executive team. As soon as Disney workers are giving interviews saying this: “I just love working at Disney. They care about us as workers. They take care of us to the best of the company’s ability and we’re paid above average for anyone else in this industry with benefits that keep me and my family safe and secure. That’s why my smile to visitors every day is genuine and why I have the hope and energy to make their day bright, too!” That day, when I hear that, I promise that you can triple your compensation package, and I won’t say a word. Not a word.

And if the company can’t afford it, then this is what I want to hear: “We’re cutting staff hours because, unfortunately, we’re in a financial pickle. But belt tightening starts with management, so as CEO I’m taking a voluntary 50% compensation cut which will only increase at the same rate as my staffs’ compensation, and I’m enforcing at 25% pay cut for every position at Disney making over $500,000 a year.”

Be fair. I’m a good ole American free market guy. But free markets work when both sides are happy.

Once you accept that we can’t all have everything, then it becomes a question of value for money paid. I remember paying $3.25 for a hotel room in Peru. The next morning both my mom and I agreed that we’d been thoroughly overcharged.

Point being, if you’re gonna soak me for a high ticket price you better deliver. “We mismanaged the expansion of DHS, so just keep on paying an increased price and give us another half a decade to fix it.” That’s not going to cut it. You want to increase my price? I’d be better be f’ing amazed at what I get in return. You get an amazing amount of money from me, I get an amazing experience and we’re both thrilled.

If I’m going to skimp and save and dream of going to Disney, I damned well better have an amazing experience when I get there. A good old American capitalist trade of money for services at its finest.

And just to be clear, I’m not on the “Disney is getting worse every day” bandwagon. Maybe it is, I don’t know. I haven’t noticed it. Maybe for some of you who go very frequently, it’s just like the beautiful person you see every day whose flaws you start to notice out of sheer familiarity. Or maybe it is getting worse. But, I don’t see the decline.

But here’s the thing – I’m on alert now. Don’t disappoint me. Spoil me with the awesome stuff, just like I’m spoiling you with may payments.

Be smart. There are all kinds of things that can go wrong when you increase prices. If you price out too many people, then who grows up on Disney? Who is your market of tomorrow? I can’t understand things like why it takes Disney 10 years or whatever to build Avatar when Universal seems able to do it in a flash. I wonder if they impulsively threw money at China just because China seemed like the next big thing (like we all thought of Japan in the 80s and look what happened there…) only to see the Chinese economy tank. I worry about them continuing to make stellar attractions instead of fair ground junk. I worry about how a cast member is going to give me a wonderful smile and a magical day if they’re worried about their hours this month. Take my money, take your profit, but keep Disney strong. Don’t let it whither and die through mismanagement.

Be smart – keep Disney strong.

Be decent – I want to know you care about me and your staff.

Be fair – soak me to the bone, and then make me smile and say, “I’ll be damned, that was worth it!”
Amazing....I 100% agree!
 
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We still think Disney vacations are "reasonable" value that still appeal to whole family regardless of age. Having said this, we do plan to go less frequently in part because of cost and in part to time with new attractions.
 
I never understood the fuss about the cost of going to Disney going up (does a new house cost the same every year? does a car cost the same? does milk cost the same? usually no for all of the above especially for high demand commodities). It has and always will be expensive for most, Disney is a business and until the majority and minority remember that we will continue to see outrage. It is just a perfect storm for a business in this situation to do this, I have a product everyone wants (record attendance year over year) and every time I increase the price we still have what they want; why wouldn't they increase the price?
 
My only b*tch is that it's being reported that already booked packages will be affected by the price hike if you change anything about your reservation, INCLUDING adding a promo.

I was looking forward to getting some money off the room this summer, but if my tickets might rise then it's not worth it. :mad:
That is not new to this year. That has been the policy.
 
I don't necessarily mind the price increase, but to combine it with all the entertainment cuts that are going on is definitely bad form. They can raise prices to keep operations at the level they were at and I'll never complain. I don't really like the tiered system though as it just adds more confusion to an already complicated pricing structure.
 
Higher prices = fewer people = shorter lines = I get to experience more rides = better value

I wish they'd triple the prices and get 2/3s of the people out of there. 60 minute lines for Pirates and Haunted Mansion in the afternoon is ridiculous!

I'm with you 100%. I would much rather pay double the ticket price, and deal with half the waits. It is a much better value to me that way, I would be willing to pay a lot for saved time and aggravation from huge crowds in the parks. As it stands now , since my kids aren't in school, we go at off peak times. I really think they should significantly raise the prices for the peak peak times (easter week, christmas week). I was in the MK 3 years ago during christmas week and the crowds were outrageous...I would not go back during that time because of this, but if they raised the prices which would reduce crowds I would happily pay the premium and go.
Another revenue booster I would happily pay for would be a premium fastpass...similar to the system universal uses...even if they charged the same amount as a ticket for the service I would use it every time.
 
The first time I ever had a Disney vacation, I was married with a child.

My parents NEVER went to Disney, not for a day, not for a vacation.

Why? We couldn't afford it. Those types of vacations were out of our price range.

Now, after being married 24 years, we own at Disney. Why? Because we love it and we can afford it.

Not everyone can afford a Disney vacation. It was that way in the 80's, the 90's and it is that way today.

The price changes? No big deal. Everything is more expensive.
 
I'm with you 100%. I would much rather pay double the ticket price, and deal with half the waits. It is a much better value to me that way, I would be willing to pay a lot for saved time and aggravation from huge crowds in the parks. As it stands now , since my kids aren't in school, we go at off peak times. I really think they should significantly raise the prices for the peak peak times (easter week, christmas week). I was in the MK 3 years ago during christmas week and the crowds were outrageous...I would not go back during that time because of this, but if they raised the prices which would reduce crowds I would happily pay the premium and go.
Another revenue booster I would happily pay for would be a premium fastpass...similar to the system universal uses...even if they charged the same amount as a ticket for the service I would use it every time.
I would absolutely pay $100 for an unlimited FP & consider it a value.

Whether or not it should be that way can be debated, but it is what it is.
 
I agree with others..... my entire life, we went to Disney maybe once or twice for a day.... it seems like it was 'so cheap' looking back, but in reality, the prices of the day made it basically not happening for the average family like ours with a bunch of kids.... I agree it's very high now(for what they're giving in return) but to say it's always been for everyone isn't really true either....
 
I would absolutely pay $100 for an unlimited FP & consider it a value.

Whether or not it should be that way can be debated, but it is what it is.

There is no reason that it should not be done. It should be offered only to people staying in Disney deluxe resorts, and given for free to those who are paying for the most expensive rooms in the Deluxe resorts...just as they do at Euro Disney. It would be an extra source of revenue for Disney, it would increase occupancy in their deluxe resorts, and they could use it to keep regular ticket prices stable.

The current Fastpass system is worthless...to me Disney vacations are supposed to be about spontaneity, I don't want to have to have a rigid schedule for ride reservations or have to rush around to the stupid kiosks. This system that Disney has created takes away a lot of the Disney experience.

Honestly Universal is starting to look better and better to me, as the kids get older we may spend more time there than at Disney.
 
I have a budget of X dollars to spend on vacations. our last trip was at AKL, Club Level. for the same price I can sail in a suite on a 7 day cruise.

when comparing self perceived value, Disney lost, big time. between having to schedule pretty much every second of the day via ADRs and FP+ Disney has finally lost its appeal to us. the pricing is less of an issue than other factors.

did i enjoy my stay at AKL? yes. was CL worth it? a resounding NO. the staff basically told us to make our own reservations for side things( I wanted to give Mr JVB a massage in the middle of the trip since he was pushing me in my WC the entire time. they screwed up my reservation on the sunrise safari and basically got zilch for an apology or pixie dust to make up for it. a purchase I made in the parks took 4 days to get to my room and NO ONE could be bothered to tell us that being CL it would be delivered directly. was the DxDP worth it? again a resounding NO. did I get to experience new ADRs that I hadn't before? yes. was the individual restaurants more good than bad? yes. was Sci Fi overrated? absolutely. did we have to fight every single morning with the same surly cashier at Mara over what constituted a snack credit item? yes. the SAME ITEM? again, yes.

we now live in FL due to his post Navy retirement civilian job. we are planning our first ever trip to Universal because the Mouse no longer excites us. maybe in 5 years once all the new construction is done and the shiny new penny aspect has worn off, we'll consider going back.
 
So let's talk about this majority. What will they think about this price increase? Do they or will they even know about it? Will it keep them from crowding the parks at historic rates? I say no. What say you?

Agree, no one really analyzes it that closely outside here or investor circles. Regular people will just book a trip to Disney World like normal. I know lots of people that go, none of which visit forums, nor pay such gritty attention to the details. Prices are in line with general vacation costs, and there are a diverse set of offerings from Value to Deluxe so the costs meet a wide variety of needs. I think Disney has a pretty good handle on what they can charge and what people will pay. Don't forget every time Disney ups their prices, the other theme parks follow suit. They are in a huge growth period with new parks, new attractions and new lands going into just about every park. Demand is super high... people are taking vacations, and want to see all the new stuff from Fantasyland to Pandora to Star Wars to Cars Land to Frozen just to name the big ticket stuff.
 
Not surprising at the least. It's all supply and demand. Disney has had record profits. Folks will still come and pay admission prices with no issues.

Disney is a luxury and for many it does keep them from coming. Does Disney care? Nope.
 
If all you wanted was a percentage off your room, ,you could have got your tickets separately already. That is what we did for this summer (well, 3 of us have APs and we bought the other 2 tickets already)
 





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