What does it take to get a 10 year old suspended from school?

[PaulaSB12]

At my son's school, this child would have had a plan for behaviior issues. Obviously, no one at your children's school has connected with this child. Children with these types of problems have IEP's and it's much more of a proceess for them to get suspended. Likely, suspension would not change his behavior and also likely that he'll be bad one day and angelic the next so why send him home for his good behavior days? Have you spent much time in a school? I spent two full days a week in my son's school K-4 and one a week 5-8. I knew all the teachers, the principals, the behavior problems were often with me in the hall quietly working on their work and they trusted me. There is so much you need to know to understand education today; it's not like when you were in school and that's an understatement. Teachers are dealing with an epidemic of autism and other behavior issues that are probably linked to our increased population, poor diets and honestly-moral decay. Being the 'tough guy' with these kids is like pouring gasoline on a fire to attempt extinguish it. It's like trying to pour too much liquid into a jar, it just comes out and will not be contained.

Here we go, the assumpton that a child who is proud of getting into to trouble has a "hidden" disability of course it can't possible be because he is a brat with parents who can't be bothered to paren can it?

 

[LIDisneyFan]

Here we go, the assumpton that a child who is proud of getting into to trouble has a "hidden" disability of course it can't possible be because he is a brat with parents who can't be bothered to paren can it?

In order to get an IEP there is a significant amount of medical and psychological documentation required. However, no one knows what has gone on between the school and the parent - only the OP saying that this kid has 10 notes home and no one else has more than 3 (which I still don't understand why the 'book' with discipline would be available to all of the students.

And personally, I would rather some real intervention (i.e. understanding the reason for this atypical behavior) whether this is truly a disability or a plain old behavioral issue while the kid is 10 rather than 'just' suspend him. It is easier when you cath these problems earlier.

 

[shortbun]

The teacher probably shoulda sent the kid to the principal's office a long time ago.

I'm guessing this kid spends plenty of time with either the principal or the security person. In our school district, there is a security/discipline person trained to deal with behavioral problems with a room, desks, bathroom. Some kids spend a lot of time there working on school work so they have less distraction and a smaller audience. This program is funded by grants, federal and state program and it's marvelous. It gives the children a quiet and safe spot if they need it and it keeps them in school which is where they should be. Promotes success for everyone.

 

[shortbun]

Here we go, the assumpton that a child who is proud of getting into to trouble has a "hidden" disability of course it can't possible be because he is a brat with parents who can't be bothered to paren can it?

Could be. No need for the eye roll friend. However, a child who is climbing on book shelves is probably more than a brat with uninvolved parents. These days, schools don't suffer that kind of behavior without having parents involved in solutions. Maybe that's not the way things work in England but we're making some progress with this stuff over here in many places despite reports to the contrary. The OP's kids go to school in a pretty upscale, well funded system(from his previous posts) so it's not an inner city school with no resources. They would have a plan for this child as he obviously needs one.

Has anyone thought about the fact that the # of 'notes' sent home was reported by a 10year old? How would they actually know? If a teacher is sharing this kind of information with the other students in the room, confidential stuff regarding discipline, I'd be somewhat concerned about that and combined with her inability to control her students...I suppose some people might wonder about the teacher too. I don't think the children really know how many notes have gone home to the child's parents. That would be something that would have been revealed in old school Catholic classrooms with nuns who shamed everyone, lol! Yeah, I spent some time in those rooms years ago.

In any case, that teacher is grateful the school year is over, eh?

 

[shortbun]

I am a teacher, I couldn't disagree more. The LAST thing a child acting out in this manner needs is someone making excuses for his behavior. Unless the child truly is autistic or has some other disorder, which I see no indication of, this behavior is unacceptable and SHOULD have consequences. In my experience "behavior plans" for children who do not have special needs rarely make any kind of positive difference. They tend to remove consequences for behavior, and blame bad behavior on everything except the child's chioce to behave poorly. They only way to really change behavior long term is to teach the child to own up to the fact that they CHOSE to act that way, and CAN choose to behave differently. In order to do that, there must be consistent consequences every time a child behaves poorly, not excuses for why he/ she "cannot help it" or is not at fault. It CAN be cotained by consistent, fair discipline.

BTW, autsim has NOTHING AT ALL to do with diet. That is a HUGE fallacy and another way to lay blame where it doesn't belong. Autism is a neurological disorder and cannot be blamed on what parents feed thier children. Either a child has it or they don't. They cannot eat themselves into it.

Boy, you are just wrong about some things. First-why/how WOULD you 'see any indication of that' in the OP's post at all? You haven't met the child at all.

Second, autism IS a disease that is for some children, has connections to gluten in the diet. My nephew, 17, is on the spectrum somewhere close to Aspergers with some other developmental issues and his behavior changed radically when gluten was removed from his diet. As an educator who would be required to continue learning, I suggest you do some more research on autism. I've done a lot because I helped my BIL get his child diagnosed and get an IEP which is now a 504 becase he's in a technical career school now and doing very well with a gluten free diet. He's been involved in two autism studies and still attends a group of Aspergers kids that one of the therapists conducts too. Autism information is constantly evolving and the numbers of children, especially boys, is growing as we understand more about it.

This from the autismweb.com
http://www.autismweb.com/diet.htm

 

[FredinFL]

obstinent defiant disorder ?

I'm sorry, I feel for you, but they really should have come up with another name because that just sounds like a fancy way to say "spoiled rotten brat". We have a little bit of that running thru the house on occasion.

 

[Liberty Belle]

OP, it practically takes an act of God to get a child that young suspended.

Not true. All schools are different. My son (ADHD, Anxiety, and SID/SPD) was suspended for forcefully pushing a desk after a little boy repeatedly hit his pencil on it. My son asked him to stop, but the boy wouldn't and due to my son's sensory issues, he got very frustrated and pushed the desk. Desk did not hit anyone and no one was hurt.

 

[Disney Doll]

All schools are different. At my youngests, you can be suspended for yelling at a teacher. At the school where I worked, that wouldn't even get you an office referral.

How do your kids know who gets notes sent home?

The kid grapevine. It's just like the adult grapevine, except they are shorter.

 

[Liberty Belle]

obstinent defiant disorder ?

I'm sorry, I feel for you, but they really should have come up with another name because that just sounds like a fancy way to say "spoiled rotten brat". We have a little bit of that running thru the house on occasion.

It's actually called Oppositional Defiant Disorder and it's more than a kid acting like a brat. It's really kind of sad, though I know your post was written tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Okay, here is my take....

If one doesn't know what IEP means, in education this day and age, it really does reflect a lack of knowledge and understanding.... As others have stated, we have come a long, long, way from 'the teacher with the ruler/paddle'.

The one key that I see here is that this kid is openly 'PROUD' of his behaviors and punishments. That is, very simply, NOT normal. There has to be something going on with this child.

As somebody who knows a little about learning disabilities and other factors of childhood behavior, I can say that I fully believe the adage that 'no normal child chooses failure'.

To the OP...
It is not the number of notes sent home that gets a child suspended...
It is also not whether the child has an IEP in place.
Those things make absolutely NO difference.

There should be policy in place in virtually every school system that outlines the types of infractions and behaviors, and which are grounds for suspension. Generally, a young boy messing/climbing around acting the fool is not one of those things that would be grounds for immediate suspension. If you have a child in the school, you probably have a school handbook that might give some insight.

 

[FredinFL]

I'm sure it is, they really should have come up with a different name tho...I just can't help but giggle a little bit.

I don't mean to offend anyone who's child has it. I'm sure it's a hard thing to deal with.