What does it take to get a 10 year old suspended from school?

[Big Cuddly Bear]

My kids told me today that one boy was suspended today after he received his TENTH note to his parents this year. He got the note today for climbing up on, and standing on top of the classroom's bookshelves.

He probably would not have even been suspended except for the fact that after the teacher gave him his note to his parents, he laughed at the teacher, and acted all proud about getting another note home. At that point the boy was sent to the principal's office and didn't return.

Personally I am more than a little surprised that it took that much. I would have imagined that the 4th note home would have been enough.

According to my kids, no other kids have had even 3 notes sent home for bad behavior.

How would that have been handled at your kids school?

 

[shortbun]

At my son's school, this child would have had a plan for behaviior issues. Obviously, no one at your children's school has connected with this child. Children with these types of problems have IEP's and it's much more of a proceess for them to get suspended. Likely, suspension would not change his behavior and also likely that he'll be bad one day and angelic the next so why send him home for his good behavior days? Have you spent much time in a school? I spent two full days a week in my son's school K-4 and one a week 5-8. I knew all the teachers, the principals, the behavior problems were often with me in the hall quietly working on their work and they trusted me. There is so much you need to know to understand education today; it's not like when you were in school and that's an understatement. Teachers are dealing with an epidemic of autism and other behavior issues that are probably linked to our increased population, poor diets and honestly-moral decay. Being the 'tough guy' with these kids is like pouring gasoline on a fire to attempt extinguish it. It's like trying to pour too much liquid into a jar, it just comes out and will not be contained.

 

[Styx Fan]

I don't think there is a rule about a certain number of notes home equals suspension. It depends on what the child is doing to make the teacher send the notes home. And probably there is no amount of notes from the teacher that would result in suspension.....I'm sure in our school the principal would be involved for a suspension.

For instance, little Suzy is way to social in class and her teacher sends home lots of notes about it to the parents. No suspension. Little Suzy knocks another child, intentionally, off the top of the play structure....straight to principal and suspension.

Sounds like the kid in this situation has some behavioral issues that require intervention beyond the class room teacher.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

Well, actually, until this school year, I did spend a whole lot of time at school. I was a volunteer for a lot of things. One thing I noticed is that, at least at this school, it's the boys who act poorly. I have yet to see a girl act in a bad way.

But I didn't see anything that resembled something as bad as a child climbing up on a bookcase.

 

[Uncle Remus]

My kids told me today that one boy was suspended today after he received his TENTH note to his parents this year. He got the note today for climbing up on, and standing on top of the classroom's bookshelves.

He probably would not have even been suspended except for the fact that after the teacher gave him his note to his parents, he laughed at the teacher, and acted all proud about getting another note home. At that point the boy was sent to the principal's office and didn't return.

Personally I am more than a little surprised that it took that much. I would have imagined that the 4th note home would have been enough.

According to my kids, no other kids have had even 3 notes sent home for bad behavior.

How would that have been handled at your kids school?

The teacher probably shoulda sent the kid to the principal's office a long time ago.

 

[Liberty Belle]

All schools are different. At my youngests, you can be suspended for yelling at a teacher. At the school where I worked, that wouldn't even get you an office referral.

How do your kids know who gets notes sent home?

 

[goofy!]

All schools are different. At my youngests, you can be suspended for yelling at a teacher. At the school where I worked, that wouldn't even get you an office referral.

How do your kids know who gets notes sent home?

That was what I was wondering. My first thought, hilarious that it is, was of little 10 year olds with spreadsheets keeping track. But more seriously, how do the kids know that Johnny has 10 notes home and the rest of the class has no more than 3? If the teacher is telling the kids, there are far bigger problems in the classroom with regards to privacy.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

All schools are different. At my youngests, you can be suspended for yelling at a teacher. At the school where I worked, that wouldn't even get you an office referral.

How do your kids know who gets notes sent home?

Simple. The boy tells everybody when he gets one. Like I said, he acts PROUD that he gets them. And as far as how many others get, well, there is a book that keeps track in the classroom of all misbehavior. And according to my kids, not many kids have their names in the book, and none more than 3x.

ETA: My kids have both been in the book one time, for talking. No notes sent home.

 

[arminnie]

At my son's school, this child would have had a plan for behaviior issues. Obviously, no one at your children's school has connected with this child. Children with these types of problems have IEP's and it's much more of a proceess for them to get suspended. Likely, suspension would not change his behavior and also likely that he'll be bad one day and angelic the next so why send him home for his good behavior days? Have you spent much time in a school? I spent two full days a week in my son's school K-4 and one a week 5-8. I knew all the teachers, the principals, the behavior problems were often with me in the hall quietly working on their work and they trusted me. There is so much you need to know to understand education today; it's not like when you were in school and that's an understatement. Teachers are dealing with an epidemic of autism and other behavior issues that are probably linked to our increased population, poor diets and honestly-moral decay. Being the 'tough guy' with these kids is like pouring gasoline on a fire to attempt extinguish it. It's like trying to pour too much liquid into a jar, it just comes out and will not be contained.

ITA. Suspensions don't really help change behaviour that much in today's world.
Climbing on top of a bookcase - that is nothing compared to what some kids do acting out.

 

[mamacatnv]

How to get suspended:
Post a wish on your private facebook - see other thread

 

[Poohforyou]

At my son's school, this child would have had a plan for behaviior issues. Obviously, no one at your children's school has connected with this child. Children with these types of problems have IEP's and it's much more of a proceess for them to get suspended. Likely, suspension would not change his behavior and also likely that he'll be bad one day and angelic the next so why send him home for his good behavior days? Have you spent much time in a school? I spent two full days a week in my son's school K-4 and one a week 5-8. I knew all the teachers, the principals, the behavior problems were often with me in the hall quietly working on their work and they trusted me. There is so much you need to know to understand education today; it's not like when you were in school and that's an understatement. Teachers are dealing with an epidemic of autism and other behavior issues that are probably linked to our increased population, poor diets and honestly-moral decay. Being the 'tough guy' with these kids is like pouring gasoline on a fire to attempt extinguish it. It's like trying to pour too much liquid into a jar, it just comes out and will not be contained.

The child could just be a brat who has never been told no. Not every child that behaves like this has an underlying issue that requires special consideration. Sometimes all it takes is a swift kick in the pants. Hopefully his parents will wake up and address this.

With limited resources I want IEPs to go to the kids that really need them.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

ITA. Suspensions don't really help change behaviour that much in today's world.
Climbing on top of a bookcase - that is nothing compared to what some kids do acting out.

Then if this is true, God bless teachers even more than I already do. Other than one teacher, I have deep appreciation for every teacher who has taught my kids.

 

[ksjayhawks]

Probably falls in the area of incorrigible conduct. In some school systems, there has to be a certain number of offenses before this can be brought into play.

 

[Liberty Belle]

Simple. The boy tells everybody when he gets one. Like I said, he acts PROUD that he gets them. And as far as how many others get, well, there is a book that keeps track in the classroom of all misbehavior. And according to my kids, not many kids have their names in the book, and none more than 3x.

ETA: My kids have both been in the book one time, for talking. No notes sent home.

I still don't see how they can know that, unless they're allowed to study the book every day, but maybe it's a very well-behaved class.

I wonder why the boy is acting like this. I doubt he's proud. It's possible, but often children who act proud to be in trouble are trying to hide the fact that they're having problems with the work. Almost every child would rather be thought "bad" than "dumb."

 

[Liberty Belle]

The child could just be a brat who has never been told no. Not every child that behaves like this has an underlying issue that requires special consideration. Sometimes all it takes is a swift kick in the pants. Hopefully his parents will wake up and address this.

With limited resources I want IEPs to go to the kids that really need them.

Children cannot get IEPs without diagnosed disorders.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

I still don't see how they can know that, unless they're allowed to study the book every day, but maybe it's a very well-behaved class.

I wonder why the boy is acting like this. I doubt he's proud. It's possible, but often children who act proud to be in trouble are trying to hide the fact that they're having problems with the work. Almost every child would rather be thought "bad" than "dumb."

I imagine it is. I know most of the kids well, and most of them are pretty well behaved. They do a sticker system, where yellow stickers just mean that the kids were told about their behavior, and red means a note goes home.

I think maybe you hit the nail on the head, there.

 

[Big Cuddly Bear]

BTW, I have no idea what an IEP is.

 

[Cindy B]

I still don't see how they can know that, unless they're allowed to study the book every day, but maybe it's a very well-behaved class.

I wonder why the boy is acting like this. I doubt he's proud. It's possible, but often children who act proud to be in trouble are trying to hide the fact that they're having problems with the work. Almost every child would rather be thought "bad" than "dumb."

I work in a public school where we have quite a few behavior problems from relatively minor to extremely major. In most other areas, I guess it would be an alternative school. However, it is just regular public school in this town.

Many of the students act out because they don't know the work, don't understand the work, and do not want to either be DUMB or in my schools case, SMART.

Most of the behavior problems come from the extremely smart people OR the ones that have academic challenges.

And in my case, some are actually very proud to get suspended or expelled. We have students with incarcerated parents and they can't wait to be just like Mom or Dad... My students are definetely a product of thier environment.

 

[Poohforyou]

Children cannot get IEPs without diagnosed disorders.

I know that. My point is that so many people are quick to label a child's behavior as being the result of an underlying medical condition when in fact sometimes it's just the result of being a brat.

 

[princessmom29]

At my son's school, this child would have had a plan for behaviior issues. Obviously, no one at your children's school has connected with this child. Children with these types of problems have IEP's and it's much more of a proceess for them to get suspended. Likely, suspension would not change his behavior and also likely that he'll be bad one day and angelic the next so why send him home for his good behavior days? Have you spent much time in a school? I spent two full days a week in my son's school K-4 and one a week 5-8. I knew all the teachers, the principals, the behavior problems were often with me in the hall quietly working on their work and they trusted me. There is so much you need to know to understand education today; it's not like when you were in school and that's an understatement. Teachers are dealing with an epidemic of autism and other behavior issues that are probably linked to our increased population, poor diets and honestly-moral decay. Being the 'tough guy' with these kids is like pouring gasoline on a fire to attempt extinguish it. It's like trying to pour too much liquid into a jar, it just comes out and will not be contained.

I am a teacher, I couldn't disagree more. The LAST thing a child acting out in this manner needs is someone making excuses for his behavior. Unless the child truly is autistic or has some other disorder, which I see no indication of, this behavior is unacceptable and SHOULD have consequences. In my experience "behavior plans" for children who do not have special needs rarely make any kind of positive difference. They tend to remove consequences for behavior, and blame bad behavior on everything except the child's chioce to behave poorly. They only way to really change behavior long term is to teach the child to own up to the fact that they CHOSE to act that way, and CAN choose to behave differently. In order to do that, there must be consistent consequences every time a child behaves poorly, not excuses for why he/ she "cannot help it" or is not at fault. It CAN be cotained by consistent, fair discipline.

BTW, autsim has NOTHING AT ALL to do with diet. That is a HUGE fallacy and another way to lay blame where it doesn't belong. Autism is a neurological disorder and cannot be blamed on what parents feed thier children. Either a child has it or they don't. They cannot eat themselves into it.