What does current day Fort look like?

ilovedisneymm

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It’s been a few years since we’ve been down there and my Facebook memories are sharing some heart tugging images.

As the kids grow older we find ourselves visiting the national parks more than our annual Disney in January trips….

Last year we did a big trip out west.
6,900 miles in a little under a month.
We did Badlands, Grand Tetons, Yellowstone, Glacier, over to San Juan Islands to see the Orcas, Olympic, down the Oregon coast, Redwoods, Yosemite, and Grand Canyon…it was epic!

We are preparing for a winter storm here and Disney is on my mind.

Can you still take a boat from Fort Wilderness to Magic Kingdom?
How have things changed for the better or worse in the last few years? What should I expect if we take a spontaneous trip south to visit the mouse?

Who’s visiting in January?
 
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I just stayed at the new Fort Wilderness for Holiday Week and watched as two log Cabins were towed away and wanted to cry. I stayed twice in those and loved them
Now the new cabins are surprisingly fun and have same wilderness feel !
My family stayed with me and have stayed at a Natl Park renting an AirStream !
Could not believe how much they loved this new / old for their first visit.
They wanted to do everything Archery was not available but they rented canoes and went toTri Circle D Ranch where Disney horses live in luxury .
They even wanted to visit the crafts table to make their keepsake TieDye t-shirt !
We had so much fun decorating our golf cart and at night driving around to see all the decorations
I’m going to plan a Halloween Fort this year!

The Cabins have a very busy Calendar… even tho everybody says Sales are terrible for DVC …
If you are reading it is not popular , they have not stayed and actually experienced the Fort.
And I believe many will wish they had bought some Fort Wilderness Points when the new Lakeside Lodge is finished !

P.s. I have gotten hooked on Camping .
Magic owners has a thread about a family that just built from clearing ground to Happy New Year Open called Standing Pines …
I am amazed and would love to hear about your travels And love your family photos …. But can you even imagine building a campground ?
It was interesting to follow her almost daily reports!
And it started with camping at Fort Wilderness.

Hope your journeys are fun and safe.
Follow the Stars and look at the Moon tonight !
 
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Melissa, my Oh MY how your kids have grown. You and Dan's baby isn't a "baby" any more. :sad2:

The change is overwhelming down behind Pioneer Hall. The construction cranes stand over the old River Country property like storks in a lagoon tracking fish in the water. The coming DVC (which many of us think will follow the old R* construction plan but will have different wallpaper and throw pillows to implement the Tiana theme (she's the heroine from the movie, "Princess and the Frog" and is getting a big intellectual property push - she is the new theme to the Splash Mountain ride in MK).

The cabin changeouts are occurring (old legacy cabins out, new DVC cabins in). The old legacy cabins operated in late November or early December 2024 and now are finally closed. They are being removed as construction moves through the other loops. The DVC cabins are pre-assembled in parts/section and then put together in the loops. Oddly, the decks (all scratch built) seem to take the longest.

The cabin sales are going poorly. The reason is that despite the low number of points required to stay (and buy) at the Cabins at Fort Wilderness (CFW DVC resort), they have a very high annual dues/maintenance fee per point (the highest in all DVC at $12.16 per point). Dues grow an average of about 4% a year (CFW is a 50 year contract). 175 points will cover a week at the cabins in all seasons except Easter and Christmas and that means $2,140 each year for dues growing at 4% per annum.

The cabins were getting old and had to be replaced anyway so Disney decided to let DVC pay to replace them (and pass the cost onto the DVC buyers). There are 7 cabin loops and 3-4 are fully converted but Disney only "releases" cabins for DVC sales as contracts are sold. Cabins get completed but with lack of sales demand, Disney holds on to the completed cabins and rents them out for cash (like a Deluxe Grand Floridian room). Oddly enough, though few want to buy the CFW contracts (which gives the buyers an 11 month in advance booking window), there is a surprisingly large number of current DVC owners who want to use their EXISTING points from the other DVC properties at CFW but they have to wait until 7 months booking. So poor sales means not many completed cabins are "released" to DVC so reservations have been hard to get at times for the 7 months people. People want to try out the Fort (most love it) but not many want to buy there because of the dues cost.

The thought is that the new resort behind Pioneer Hall will be joined somehow with the CFW cabins and might allow some cost sharing (reducing the dues for the cabins-big maybe). Also the construction behind Pioneer Hall means the Exercise Trail from the new TCD Horse Barn to Wilderness Lodge remains closed due to the nearby construction although it has been fully repaved. Although a bus does run between the Fort and WL.

There has also been a filing to build something in the field on the side of the tennis courts where they play field games (toward the canal). No idea what it will be - I predict a sewage pump station for the 900 room DVC resort.

The big grass field on the cabin side of the main road near the Hitch/Un-hitch pull-overs is a huge construction zone for staging the people, parts, and machines for the cabin conversion (which should wrap up in the March-May 2025 time frame). They'll re-seed the field probably and keep cars off it all summer and hope it recovers.

The cabin replacements don't bother me so much (one cabin out, one cabin in). However, the 900 room R*-type DVC resort (may have cabins down on the beach) will add SO many people who will want to explore the Fort and enjoy its amenities that I'm afraid it will overwhelm the Fort camper culture.

But time will tell.

Great pics of your western adventure. I'm sure those will leave wonderful memories for your kids.

Bama Ed

PS - some of the 900 rooms at the new DVC resort behind Pioneer Hall may be traditional hotel rooms so the 900 may be split - part DVC/part resort.
 
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Thanks, Ed.

The baby is a baby no more!

It was a wild trip west! Our favorite part was Glacier by far. One could see black bears on one side of the park and grizzly bears on the opposite side of the park in the same day. Moose so close you could touch them as they walk past you and down to the water's edge like they've walked past a 1,000 humans before. We plan to do the same route again in 2025 dropping all things California after we hit Redwoods then going straight east after Cresent City....and adding time to spend more time with the Orcas. All the trips to Disney and we avoided Sea World for a reason. I'm glad my children got to experience them as nature intended. We pulled the camper and your sticker magnet still resides on our camper fridge. It makes me smile and it's a reminder of the good old days at Disney!

To be honest, none of the updates sound great, Ed. I greatly appreciate the update you provided. It paints a solid picture. Perhaps another time when construction is minimal. This is a reminder to me there is a window of opportunity in the phases of life and raising children. The time to do Disney was then and I feel like we did it the the nines year after year while they were still young...and for that I regret nothing! I spent a few hours researching all the updates and changes to both Disney & Fort Wilderness. I guess we will sit this year out, again.

I peeked at the midwest meet thread....I've got a farm in the midwest and plenty of space to provide camping for dry camp. If any of you Disney Campers are in the area, please reach out.

Thank you, Ed!
 
Great pics of the kids and the western adventure. Ed highlighted the big changes. We just spent 2 weeks at the Fort in November for the DIS Meet. Much of the transition and changes are focused behind the Settlement and in the cabin loops. The rest of the Fort feels mostly unchanged, especially in the Full loops (1600-1900) and down that side to the Preferreds (100-300). There have been permits filed for something in the open field next to the big swimming pool, but right now, nothing is happening there.

j
 
The Cabins at Fort Wilderness (CFW DVC resort) have a very high annual dues/maintenance fee per point (the highest in all DVC at $12.16 per point). Dues grow an average of about 4% a year (CFW is a 50 year contract). 175 points will cover a week at the cabins in all seasons except Easter and Christmas and that means $2,140 each year for dues growing at 4% per annum.
Ed,

I just priced out a 7 night stay at one of the CFW cabins for a random week this summer. Without tickets, it came to just under $4,000 ($3,945.41). It almost makes the measly $2100 maintenance fees look like a deal... :)

Not enough to get me to jump, especially considering the buy-in price on top of the maintenance.

j
 
Ed,

I just priced out a 7 night stay at one of the CFW cabins for a random week this summer. Without tickets, it came to just under $4,000 ($3,945.41). It almost makes the measly $2100 maintenance fees look like a deal... :)

Not enough to get me to jump, especially considering the buy-in price on top of the maintenance.

j

Jim, I'm not ready to jump on CFW either.

However, I can see the day ahead when I won't want to even bother with the Aliner but I still love being at the Fort, at Gulf SP, and so on. I would consider CFW as my Fort solution (rather than renting trailers) if: 1) the dues for CFW DID get reduced somehow in union with the new R* buildout and 2) CFW points were so cheap on a newly developing resale market (because I want to stay at FW only when at DW).

This is a reminder to me there is a window of opportunity in the phases of life and raising children. The time to do Disney was then and I feel like we did it the the nines year after year while they were still young...and for that I regret nothing!

Melissa, DW feels the same as you. We had all those trips while our three kids were young/growing up from the ,id 2000s to the late 2010s in our popups because WDW/FW was one of the few "Mom Approved" destinations for spring break, holidays, etc. So we took a bunch of trips to the Fort while we could and our 30-somethings now (two of the three kids) STILL talk about and remember those trips and the memorable things we did.

Waiting a year might be a wise decision IMO.

ED

PS - We probably aren't going back till early 2026 (targeting early February). We were there in January 2024 and late October/early November 2024 for the DISMeet so things need some space to "breathe" a little.
 
My 2 bits. I had stayed in the older cabin many many moons ago before the last refurbishment and it was not much of an experience to write home about. I think the last refresh made them nicer.

I have toured the new cabins with my DVC guide (we own in Copper Creek at Wilderness Lodge). The accomodations where nice, I think quite a big upgrade from before. Now is it old 70s rustic cabin? No, it is not. It does, however, remind me of the mountain side cabin styles I have seen in Colorado and West Virginia with one side having lots of windows and the back of the cabin being less.

In the end our guide even agreed since we stay at FW in the RV, the cabins would not be worth adding on this resort since there still is no good point conversion to RV sites. So we chose after a long discussion to add on to our other DVC resort. That still gives us access to the cabins, which really I don't think will have issues booking based on how sales seem to be going.
 












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