What do you think of the proposed soda tax?

What do you think of the proposed soda tax?

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You better watch out or someone might put a tax on all that SALT and BUTTER for your popcorn~~ ;)

And who is to say that my popcorn isn't completely organic, free range, grown by my DH the Native American with no butter, salt, or other additives or preservatives. It was popped in a natural heated mechanism made from 20% post-consumer recycled products. NOT in a microwave.

...... so I think I'm good.
 
And who is to say that my popcorn isn't completely organic, free range, grown by my DH the Native American with no butter, salt, or other additives or preservatives. It was popped in a natural heated mechanism made from 20% post-consumer recycled products. NOT in a microwave.

...... so I think I'm good.

ROFL....I got nothin'
 
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And who is to say that my popcorn isn't completely organic, free range, grown by my DH the Native American with no butter, salt, or other additives or preservatives. It was popped in a natural heated mechanism made from 20% post-consumer recycled products. NOT in a microwave.

...... so I think I'm good.

unless of course your eating containers fail to meet the approved standards, or you are wastefully watching TV or reading the Disboards ('cause baby harp seals are used to fuel power plants, dontcha know? ;) ), and so forth.

I said it before, I will say it again:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Some people may be comfortable with using the full force and power of the federal (or state, or local) governments to affect social change, under the guise of "it's for the children/environment/other noble cause, against which no defense may be deemed morally acceptable. I am not free with a government which feels compelled to continuously and perpetually guard me against myself, arguing that the government knows my condition better than I do.
 

TV also contributes to obesity. Maybe they could pass a tax on TV... putting on box on all TVs taxing everyone by the hour.

Really, if they wanted to fight obesity, why not just tax the fat people. :confused3 :confused3 :confused3
 
TV also contributes to obesity. Maybe they could pass tax on TV, putting on box on all TV's taxing every one by the hour.

Really, if they wanted to fight obesity, why not just tax the fat people. :confused3 :confused3 :confused3

Because they want to "help" everyone that has the potential to become fat too.
 
I don't drink soda, so it won't have any impact on me..

Having said that, I would prefer to see the same level of taxes on alcohol as there is on cigarettes - and then I would like to see the revenues actually go towards the "imaginary programs" they dream up to "sell" people on these taxes and get them passed...
 
TV also contributes to obesity. Maybe they could pass a tax on TV... putting on box on all TVs taxing everyone by the hour.

Really, if they wanted to fight obesity, why not just tax the fat people. :confused3 :confused3 :confused3

Because they want to "help" everyone that has the potential to become fat too.

Well then, the government can start an agency that could seek out all those who may potentially become obese and tax them. If they don't pay the tax, then they are fined and turned over to the IRS. If they don't pay the fine then they are sentenced to serve 6 months in a Fat Camp.
 
I already said I'm not a soda drinker, sure occasionally, but this tax won't affect me. Trust me, if you lived in NY State with our grocery list of new taxes just waiting to be added, you'd understand why I do agree that this is just one of many.
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I agree! We can NOT aford any new taxes here. Its not only soda its juice too www.nobeveragetax.com . I don't drink diet soda but I would never support a tax on artificial sweeteners (which I believe are all cancer causing!)

Facts

Raising Taxes on Beverages Would Cost New York Citizens Millions

If another sales tax hike is placed on juice drinks and sodas that New Yorkers enjoy every day, hardworking New Yorkers will be hit the hardest. There could not be a worse time to ask them to pay more for the products they consume.

Here are the facts:

A regressive tax:

A sales tax on products – like soda and juice drinks – hits those who can least afford to pay the higher costs, especially middle and lower income New Yorkers.
Jobs are at stake:

The beverage industry currently supports more than 160,000 good-paying jobs in New York, totaling some $6.7 billion in wages. These are jobs held by hardworking New Yorkers all across the state in manufacturing, distribution, and retail.
Jobs in the beverage industry are good jobs, and include many union workers.
The non-alcoholic beverage industry in New York State has a direct economic impact of $7 billion per year and supports an additional $18 billion in economic activity.
What you can do:

Sign up to support New Yorkers Against Unfair Taxes at NoBeverageTax.com.
Write your legislator or Governor Paterson and tell them you can’t handle more taxes.
Write a Letter to the Editor of your local newspaper.
Frequently Asked Questions

Q. What is New Yorkers Against Unfair Taxes?

A. New Yorkers Against Unfair Taxes is a coalition of over 6,500 concerned New Yorkers – hard working individuals, struggling families, and already burdened small businesses – opposed to any new tax increases on juice drinks and soda. The coalition’s primary aim is to prevent the enactment of unfair and misdirected beverage taxes that could cost our state over 6,000 jobs. Our coalition understands that New Yorkers are already among the highest taxed citizens in the nation; that we can’t tolerate a regressive tax that disproportionately targets middle and lower income New Yorkers; and that we won’t be fooled by Albany trying to control our lifestyle by policing what we eat and drink.

Q. Could a beverage tax increase damage New York’s economy?

A. Without doubt, a tax increase could do serious damage to our already fragile economy. The beverage industry supports 160,000 jobs in New York communities large and small, providing a direct economic benefit to the state economy of nearly $7 billion and an indirect benefit of $25 billion. A tax hike on beverages would put at risk good-paying jobs with good health benefits for many hard-working New Yorkers – hitting them in both their checkbook and their paycheck.

Q. Aren’t there already taxes on juice drinks and soda sold in New York?

A. You bet there are, loads of them. The State of New York already has some of the highest sales taxes in the nation. New Yorkers would pay this new tax in addition to the existing sales tax, regardless of whether the beverages were purchased at a store, or in a restaurant. Current sales taxes in New York vary from 7% to 8.75%, depending on where you live.

Q. Who will be most affected by a tax increase on juice drinks and soda?

A. A beverage tax increase will have a disproportionate impact on those who can least afford to pay the higher costs, especially middle and lower-income New Yorkers. New York families already pay some of the highest taxes in the nation, and are struggling in this difficult economy. There could not be a worse time to ask them to pay more for the products they consume.
 
as far as I can see it covers "juice drinks" - it looks to me like it will not cover 100% juice. Does anyone know for sure?

*IF* this is the case, then again, these aren't foods so I don't see the "hitting those already hard hit"....these aren't essentials. These a junk foods. Again, I am opposed to the tax in principal, but don't buy the argument about this hitting families hard....as I stated in my previous post.
 
Some people may be comfortable with using the full force and power of the federal (or state, or local) governments to affect social change, under the guise of "it's for the children/environment/other noble cause, against which no defense may be deemed morally acceptable. I am not free with a government which feels compelled to continuously and perpetually guard me against myself, arguing that the government knows my condition better than I do.

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Just like mean or unpopular speech has to be allowed in order for us to have true freedom of speech the ability to make a bad (relatively) choice has to be acceptable in order for us to have true freedom of choice.

I believe in two things above all others when the government is involved: liberty and responsibility. If you are willing to accept the burden of the later you should be given the full measure of the former.

ETA: As much as I oppose this tax I also don't buy it will hit any single socio economic group harder then any other since it isn't a necessity. Regardless of how much anyone wants to drink pop there is no nutritional need it fills that makes it a necessity.

I am all for less soda being consumed but that has to be a choice. How people don't make the choice is beyond me but it is their bodies, not mine. There are many health choices that make me scratch my head but people should be free to make them.
 
I have no reason to believe that the taxes will only be based on need and that items that someone decides are needed won't be under the gun too. After all we pay taxes for clothing and the last time I checked those are needed.

I just say no more taxes on anything. I just think that it's enough.
 
Maybe the gov needs to start worrying about the economy instead if I drink a coke or not. It's none of the govs business what I eat or drink.
 
Maybe the gov needs to start worrying about the economy instead if I drink a coke or not. It's none of the govs business what I eat or drink.

A truer statement was never posted!
 
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I believe in two things above all others when the government is involved: liberty and responsibility. If you are willing to accept the burden of the later you should be given the full measure of the former.

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I am all for less soda being consumed but that has to be a choice. How people don't make the choice is beyond me but it is their bodies, not mine. There are many health choices that make me scratch my head but people should be free to make them.

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This New Yorker sums it up pretty well:

The real meaning behind the soda tax
By Sandra Zummo
March 13, 2010, 5:52AM

Advance File PhotoGrasmere resident Matthew Fantasia shops for soda at a CVS Pharmacy in Grasmere. Like many Islanders, he disapproves of Gov. Paterson’s proposed “Fat Tax.”

STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. — You have to hand it to politicians. They’ll say anything to get what they want, even to the point of insulting your intelligence.

Is anyone really buying that the reason our governor and mayor are pushing a tax on soda is because they care about our health?

Instead of spending money on public service announcements touting the evils of demon soda and how the benevolent government is going to help us get the sugary monkey off our backs, why don’t they save a few bucks and admit, “We need money and this is how we’re gonna get it”?

I don’t buy soda much, so it’s no change out of my pocket, but it makes me crazy that these people think we’re too stupid to understand what they’re doing. It’s akin to John McCain’s thinking he’d get the Hillary vote by putting a woman on the ticket ... any woman.

When Gov. David Paterson first proposed such a tax a year ago, it included both sodas and sugary drinks containing less than 70 percent juice. That didn’t fly, so this latest proposal is for a penny-an-ounce charge on soda alone. If the governor’s heart truly were in the right place, wouldn’t he want to protect us from all those other sweetened drinks, too?

And how about a bunch of other stuff that’s “bad” for us? Why not an excise tax on hot dogs, which are reputed to be full of all sorts of nasty stuff. Too much cheese can raise your cholesterol, so how about a tax on any pizza ordered with extra cheese? And can you imagine what the city could take in if it started taxing pepperoni?

But why stop at food? Watching too much TV contributes to inactivity, which, in turn, contributes to weight gain and cardiovascular disease, so perhaps there should be a “Couch Potato Tax” added to the price of recliners and any other type chair equipped with a pouch for a bag of chips, a can of beer and the remote.

Getting off the couch doesn’t ensure good health, though. Weekend warriors taking to the softball field have the potential to bruise a hip sliding into first, sprout a nasty bump from a beanball or break a leg rounding third. If concerned city fathers want to cut down on sports-related injuries, they should look into instituting a “You Play, You’ll Pay” tax.

In this fashion capital of the world, women have the potential for harming themselves wearing heels, which can cause foot, leg and back problems. I say we protect vulnerable stylish women by imposing a “Too Tall” tax on any pair of shoes with more than a 2-inch heel.

If, after all that, the governor and the mayor still are intent on excising their pound of flesh from comestibles, why not go straight to the source and levy a “Dispenser of Death and Disease” (DDD) tax on that purveyor of all evils, that breeding ground of all that is wrong with the American diet today: The refrigerator, where New Yorkers store their bacon, eggs, cheese, mayo and, yes, sugary drinks.

It could be collected annually, since even the most health-conscious person is bound to have something in the fridge that can be construed as detrimental if consumed in too great a quantity. The DDD tax certainly would generate enough of a surplus that there’d be no need to try to squeeze a few extra pennies out of the soda-buying public.

New Yorkers once again would be free to schedule time with Dr Pepper without worrying about having to pay a deductible.

http://blog.silive.com/is_it_just_me_column/2010/03/phony_tizzy_over_fizzy.html
 
The research is coming in.

From this month:

'Sugar taxes' have limited effect on soda drinking
April 5, 2010

Many states are taxing sugar-sweetened beverages as a tactic to limit obesity, especially among children. A new study that followed grade-school students found no significant link between sales taxes and soda consumption or weight gain, except among certain low-income children.

Economist Roland Sturm of the Rand Corporation led a team that analyzed the records of more than 7,300 children enrolled in a national study that tallied food consumption, measured height and weight, and counted how many hours children spent watching television or being physically active. The children were asked how many sodas they drank in the past week and whether they bought them at school. The data were correlated with state sales tax information from 2004, when tax rates ranged from 0 to 7 percent.

In comparing states that levied higher and lower sales taxes on soda, there was no overall difference in either soda consumption or in how much children’s body mass index changed between third and fifth grade. But among lower-income, African-American children who had a higher body mass index and watched more television, soda consumption and weight gain were reduced in states with higher sales taxes.

BOTTOM LINE: Taxes on soda were not associated with lower consumption or obesity rates among most school-age children.


http://www.boston.com/news/health/a...r_taxes_have_limited_effect_on_soda_drinking/

And another:

South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com
Soda taxes aren't curbing obesity, study finds
By Mike Stobbe

The Associated Press

April 6, 2010

ATLANTA

Small taxes on soda do little to reduce soft drink consumption or prevent childhood obesity, but larger levies *probably* would, :idea: according to new research.

The study is being released as a recent wave of proposals would raise soda taxes or create new ones on sugared beverages. But they'll have to be a lot steeper than current taxes, which are generally 4 percent or less, said Roland Sturm, lead author of the new research.

"Small taxes will not prevent obesity," said Sturm, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. in Santa Monica, Calif.

Sturm and his colleagues used information from a 2004 national survey of about 7,300 fifth-graders. The researchers looked at how the children's height and weight had changed over the previous two years and how often the kids said they drank soda and sports drinks. The researchers also reviewed taxes on carbonated drinks that were in effect in 2004.

Roughly two-thirds of the children lived in states that had a tax on soda greater than on other food items. The highest was 7 cents tax on each dollar's worth of soda. The average was about 4 cents.

They found the taxes made no real difference on overall soda consumption or on obesity for kids overall. They did have a small effect on certain children -- especially those from families with an annual income of $25,000 or less. Those kids -- who drank about seven cans of soda a week, on average -- drank one less can because of the taxes, Sturm said.

However, if the taxes were more like 18 cents on the dollar, Sturm calculated it would make a significant difference.

The research is being published online in the journal Health Affairs. The Rand study was funded by the federal government and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

Most states exempt grocery food from sales taxes. But in recent years, candy and soft drinks have been increasingly targeted, either through a tax or removal of an existing sales tax exemption.

The children in the study were from 40 states, 20 of which had soda taxes when the study was done. More than 30 states have some form of soda tax today, averaging about 5 cents per dollar of soda.

In the past month, Colorado removed a 3 percent sales tax exemption for candy and soda. Philadelphia's mayor proposed a 2 cents-per-ounce tax on sugary drinks, which would add 24 cents to the price of a can of Coke.

Most of the taxes tend to be enough to bring in some extra money for struggling state budgets, but small enough not to rile soda manufacturers or significantly change buying habits, said Kelly Brownell, director of Yale University's Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity.

"Taxes have to be large enough to affect consumption," said Brownell, who has called for a tax as high as 12 percent.

But most people don't want their soda taxed, according to the American Beverage Association, which represents soda manufacturers.

Association officials noted that Maine voters last fall rejected a soda tax. And in a press release last month, the organization pointed to a recent survey of 1,000 U.S. adults by Rasmussen Reports that found 56 percent of Americans are against taxes on candy and soda.

The beverage association did not pay for the telephone survey, said Debra Falk, a spokeswomen for the polling firm.

The Rand study confirms that small taxes on soda don't reduce obesity, and offers no evidence that larger taxes would do any better, said Christopher Gindlesperger, spokesman for beverage association.

"Taxes don't work. What does work is balancing the diet and exercise," he said.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/sfl-soda-tax-040210,0,4497698.story

And a Registered Dietician's opinion:

Jessica Fishman Levinson, MS, RD, CDN, who has a private practice in New York City, says part of the problem with taxing sugary drinks — or any food for that matter — is that the move does not educate people on making healthy lifestyle changes. “So maybe someone won’t buy a soda because of the cost increase, but instead they’ll get extra-large fries or an ice cream sundae,” she says. “Without teaching behavior modification, we are actually doing a disservice to people.”

http://nutritioulicious.wordpress.com/tag/todays-dietitian/
 
If you want to fight obesity, give kids healthy, nutritional lunches at school. Give them recess and gym. Encourage companies to provide gym memberships or workout facilities for their employees. I really don't care if they tax the junk food, as long as they spend as much effort making the healthy food cheaper. People are overweight, especially the poor, because cheap crap food is cheaper than healthy food (I'm talking to you $4 container of strawberries) and it's easy to prepare. Make the nutrition information right on the front. In big letters. That potpie doesn't look too bad in the picture. It's got meat and vegetables and everything. It's not until you flip it over and read the label that you find out that it's got more calories, fat, and sodium than you need in a day.


ETA: And for the record, nobody bought the $4 strawberries. The next week they were marked down, which didn't matter, because by then they were rotten and moldy. Way to go supermarket! How much money did that entire display of rotten strawberries make you? I don't get it.
 



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