What do YOU think happens when a cat is declawed?

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What about the anesthesia when spaying/neutering or teeth cleaning? :confused3

Personally, I wouldn't see those procedures as elective. And I wouldn't think a rescue would see proper care of a cat (spay/neuter and taking proper care of the cat's teeth) as elective.

But I am against docked tails and such "beauty treatments" for dogs, if that is a good analogy.

Brandie
 
:thumbsup2 Excellent post!!! We have 4 cats and none of them are declawed. Its inhumane and barbaric. I rather be scratched then hurt my kitty in that manner. Its just cruel. You can teach a cat not to scratch, but it takes time and I think most people rather hurt their pet than take the time to teach them where to scratch and where not to scratch. Ours are good and haven't scratched the furniture up and will use their scratching post. Ours are such sweet kitties. Trimming their nails isn't always fun, but I rather trim them then declaw them.


Its not even close to being the same thing. Declawing a cat is like amputating your fingers to the first knuckle. Would you like that? Probably not.


In circumcising an infant there is no anesthesia used, while there is when a cat is declawed. So you're right, not EVEN close.
 
I don't think it's cruel, or barbaric, or anything but a safe and sensible solution to a problem.

I feel the same way, so we are both monsters who do barbaric things to our cats. I personally don't feel it's barbaric. Hmmm...maybe I should declaw myself...oh that's right I need my fingers to work. Maybe I'll keep the claws on my cat so she can make a living. I personally don't feel that the cats have a long term problem with this if done right and painlessly.

I think this is not a good debate, because those that do it know what's done and talked to their vet about the procedure. So we're educated and fine with the decision we made.
 
I have a baby on the way and I can't risk having her scratched.
She is sooo happy now and she will have a loving home forever but she will have to be declawed so she won't scratch the new baby.

Seriously, is this your first kid? Why are you so scared of the cat scratching your kid? Most likely, the cat will avoid your new baby.

Before you come home with your baby, play a sound track of a baby crying around your cats to see how they react. See if they act interested or just go in the other room. They probably won't do anything.

Brandie
 

In circumcising an infant there is no anesthesia used, while there is when a cat is declawed. So you're right, not EVEN close.

Actually not true they do use Anesthesia now and have for quite a few years at least 10, for circumcision.
 
My kids have been scrathed by our cats to many times to count..I've even scratched my kids. I'm not cutting of the tips of my fingers to prevent it either

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I had 1 cat when my kids were little, a beautiful Siamese girl. Somehow both of my kids survived to adulthood even with a scratch or two.
 
Oh, my, if we're moving on to circumcision I have to leave - no boys in this house, not even a male pet!!!!

Actually, I'm going out to dinner...
 
I'm not entirely sure how I feel about this subject. My 2 cats have their claws -- mostly because when we got them, we couldn't afford to get them declawed. They're 10 years old, and honestly, I don't think this was such a hot-button topic 10 years ago. The results of not declawing? Scratches on our arms and legs, destroyed sofa, destroyed dining room chairs, destroyed carpeting. They don't scratch walls or trim, thank God, but... pretty much everything else. I've tried clipping, I've used spray bottles, scratching posts, etc -- nothing worked with these two. I even ordered Soft Paws -- forget about it! They wouldn't let me near them with those things! Still, with all the trouble, I love my girls, and they are sweet little mushes most of the time. 95% of the scratches (on us, at least) have been unintentional - just the result of kneeding or "playing".

On the other hand, my mom's cat was declawed as a kitten. He's now 14, and has always been one of the happiest cats in the world. And talk about a mush! AND he still kneeds and "scratches", like he doesn't know he has no front claws. That's been my experience with all the declawed cats in my life. They don't even seem to know their claws aren't there anymore.

So while I agree that the "Vet Tech" article is totally sensationalized, and intent on making people who declaw feel horrible about themselves, I'm still not sure that I would declaw any future cats. I would need to read more actual medical articles before making that decision.

And here's my little scratchy babies, in a rare moment of wanting to be around each other ;)
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Oh, my, if we're moving on to circumcision I have to leave - no boys in this house, not even a male pet!!!!

Actually, I'm going out to dinner...

Only the hubby in this household is male, and I'd better be getting dinner on the table... I'm about to be barefoot (but not pregnant) in the kitchen. :rotfl: :rotfl: He'll find that hilarious! Wait... he might be scared first, then find it funny...

*wave* Everybody, have a good night! Don't let this discussion rankle. We'll be back to socialize and eat Girl Scout cookies tomorrow, no matter what. We shared all the talking points we could, so we just need to give each other time to think on the various points.

Brandie
 
wasnt done in mine for sure

Yup

http://www.personalmd.com/news/a1998060404.shtml

Call For Anesthesia During Circumcision


NEW YORK, Jun 04 (Reuters) -- Less than half of US doctors administer anesthesia when circumcising infant boys, researchers say, despite growing evidence that the pain induced by the procedure can produce long-term emotional harm.

"Misconceptions about anesthesia for circumcisions prevent physicians from providing comfort for a very painful procedure," according to pediatric researchers Drs. Howard Stang and Leonard Snellman of HealthPartners Medical Group in Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minnesota.

Their survey of 1,768 US physicians, published in the current online edition of the journal Pediatrics (www.pediatrics.org), found that just 45% of physicians administered anesthesia prior to circumcision. The authors say 54% of "respondents who did not use anesthesia cited 'concern over adverse drug effects,'" while another 44% said they did not administer anesthesia because they believe the "procedure does not warrant anesthesia."

According to Stang and Snellman, both of these assumptions are wrong. They contend that HealthPartners pediatricians "have performed over 10,000 (anesthetized) neonatal circumcisions... without any recognized significant adverse reaction." Anesthesia prior to circumcision most often takes the form of a quick, relatively painless injection of lidocaine into the ***** minutes before the procedure begins.

Furthermore, the authors say a growing body of research is proving that babies are as sensitive to pain as older children and adults, and "recent data would suggest that a painful experience in the newborn has an effect on how pain is perceived later in life." Therefore, Stang and Snellman contend that "performing a circumcision on a newborn without using anesthesia is justified only if one would be willing to perform a circumcision on an older child or adult without anesthesia."

The doctors found that rates of non-anesthetized circumcision were highest among obstetricians (75%), followed by family physicians (44%), and pediatricians (29%).

In a related study, published in the current issue of Obstetrics and Gynecology, researchers at the University of Texas Health Science Center in Houston conclude that penile "ring block" anesthesia using lidocaine "is an effective method of anesthesia for (circumcision)." They say babies receiving ring block anesthesia displayed "a 36% decrease in crying time," compared with infants circumcised without anesthesia.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends the use of anesthesia during circumcisions.

Approximately 62% of male newborns (about 1.2 million infants) are circumcised in the United States every year.
 
I was uneducated when it came to cat declawing, at least until a few years ago..I would still prefer a cat be declawed than go to the pound or not be adopted though.
I'm also a mean mom because I lever really worried about my kids being scratched..


Well, I would worry about my children being scratched if my cats had claws. My brother contracted cat scratch fever when he was about 12. He ended up having to stay about 12 days in the hospital because of it ( turned into encephalitis). There are other illnesses that can be passed from cat to human also.


http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/catscratch.htm


http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/ZoonoticDisease.html
 
Well, I would worry about my children being scratched if my cats had claws. My brother contracted cat scratch fever when he was about 12. He ended up having to stay about 12 days in the hospital because of it ( turned into encephalitis). There are other illnesses that can be passed from cat to human also.


http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/diseases/catscratch.htm


http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/ZoonoticDisease.html

I know about cat scratch fever. I also know about other diseases that can be passed from cat to human..As someone with HIV i'm high risk for them, especially Toxoplasmosis.. I really don't worry about it though. We have all been scratched many times. i could get PCP tomorrorow. I could worry that every single cold would turn into something fatal for me also. If I was going to sit around and worry about all the possible medical issues Ed and I and kids could have ,I would wrap us all in a bubble.
 
I have not read the entire thread so excuse me if I begin to sound redundant. I apologize. :p

I have had 7 cats in my lifetime. My mom grew up with many cats. I stand firmly against declawing cats. It takes away their means of defense. I assume those who do have their cats declawed keep them indoors...well what if they should ever get out? The cat will have no way to defend him/herself and no way to catch food.

I really do think the article was spot on when the author said declawing cats is mutilation. It is and there is no way around it. I will never see how declawing cats is a good thing. Ever.

If you have nice furniture that you don't want ruined, train the cat not to scratch on the furniture. It takes a while but it is NOT impossible. You can put a slip on the furniture during the cat's training. Or, don't get a cat.

If you have small children who like to pull on the cat's tails or play with the cats that result with the child getting scratched, maybe having a cat is not a good idea to have until the child is old enough. If you are afraid that an illness will pass through a scratch, don't get a cat. Cats are an animal with claws. It isn't a sudden discovery when you get a cat.

I know people will disagree with this point of view, I have seen people who disagree with it but this is MY point of view and it won't change.

I just wanted to get my idea across on this thread because as someone who loves cats and has cats, this is something I truly believe in.
 
It's not because it's elective, however some feel it's unnecessary (ulike spaying/neutering, where in 7 years, with all the offspring, there can be 240,000 cat births). Some in our organization have worked at Veterinary Hospital's or are Veterinarians. In their views, it's a painful procedure and has caused injury to cats toes. We save a lot of cats/kittens each year, and if this is what the rule is, and someone looking to adopt doesn't agree, there are many other places that people can get cats, if they prefer to get them declawed. I agreed to tell potential adoptees the rules of the organization when I joined, and I don't have a problem with their rules. Other people have other views and reasons for why they declaw., and there are many rescue places where they will find cats to adopt.

I would like to know more about laser declawing, as I have been told by a cat only vet hospital in my area, that it is a safer, and less painful way to declaw.

Personally, I wouldn't see those procedures as elective. And I wouldn't think a rescue would see proper care of a cat (spay/neuter and taking proper care of the cat's teeth) as elective.

But I am against docked tails and such "beauty treatments" for dogs, if that is a good analogy.

Brandie
 
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