What do you do with people that cut in line to meet up with group?

[Manga]

Re-join: no problem with my family.
A few people catching up: no problem as long as they are courteous instead of pushing and shoving forward
A whole group of people "catching up": no no no!!!

My husband used to be quite large so between the two of us we can block the line-cutters quite nicely, but now he has lost a lot of weight so I am not sure if we can effectively block them in our next trip!

 

[Mkrop]

There are 4 of us- me, my husband and our 2 teenage daughters. There have been many times when I have gone ahead and gotten in line while they have gone to the bathroom. Yes they are older but they have to go to. I don't get upset when it's a smaller group. But now if one person is in line and 10 people come up then-no. As far as character pictures go- we are extremely considerate of time. We get up there, get our pics, and move.

This is pretty rude, if my kids when they were younger understood that you do not get in a long line until we used the bathroom, then so can your family. Wait with your family and enter together.

Virtually everyone in this thread understands about bathroom emergencies. But if you get separated from the rest of your party at the entrance, two much more considerate options are having them walk back to meet you, or have them stop where they are and let others pass until you catch up.

YES! I never understood why they cant go back to the people behind them or pick somewhere until they catch up.


And we once saw a mom with her maybe 8 year old boy coming back in to POTC, who said she was cathing up with her family. The line was outside, and we watched her go around and around all the chains, she finally stops. It is pretty obvious that they are not with family. They were like 3 ahead of us. Mom shhhhed the kid, and said I think this is as far as we are going to get. DH and I stood there floored. This woman had used her kid and some bogus excuse to cut in line. Great example you are setting there, Mom So not all parents with kids are legit! I will still let them by versus a group, but that was so disappointing to see.

 

[Sheaboys]

For the occasional bathroom emergency it is not a biggie to me. I dont think people should do that at every ride, but it you somehow get separated for a REAL reason, I dont mind them joining their family in line. Sometimes you just "gotta go"...especially little kids.

We had waited about 30 minutes in the Toy Story line, when your 2 youngest had to go, they were 3 and 6. DH kept saying just go and come back. I felt terrible doing that. We went to the bathroom, he calls me and asks if we are coming, he was waiting at the entrance. I said, I can't walk through all those people again, he kept telling me to just do it. We did not, only because I felt bad about going all the way back through. So at that time us 3 did not ride the ride, we went another day and got there early.

 

[arielmomma]

I usually don't let such small things bother me. I'm am aware that going to Disney means lines and that sometimes (like at disneyland) those lines can be 2or 3 hours long and challenge even adults bladders. Id sooner someone go get water for everyone in the 105 degree heat than have someone pass out or Barf in line or on the ride. THAT really screws up the wait time if everyone has to back out Or stop because emt cant get through. I'm not the police and its not my call nor duty to decide if someone is "justified" by my standards to block them from passing. Ill tell a cm if I think its a big deal.

I admit, I line cut twice during our short August vacation. Once was for a potty emergency and the other was because I got out of line to fill water bottles just like you mentioned. We'd been waiting so long and the kids were so sweaty. Water was a priority. I did get a few dirty looks since I was an adult on my own, but everyone let me pass. I will also note that my DH and kids did stop before they went inside the building, allowing others to pass them so that I didn't have to shove past people inside.

Sometimes things happen. While I'm not fond of large groups passing me to get ahead, I just let it slide. So what? I'm on vacation. Things happen and although I like to guess that the party got separated for unreasonable reasons, I don't know that for sure. It's easier just to let it go and continue having a good time.

 

[princessallegra]

1) As ridiculous as you investing all that time and effort to cut in line?

2) Since you asked, here's how it would happen with me. I'm 6'7" 350lbs and usually brace my arms across both railings while we move through the que so it's pretty easy to keep you or anyone else contained behind me. In your previous posts, you don't exhibit a particularly strong understanding of how physical assault works, so I'll break it down for you. If I'm standing there as described previously minding my own business, you cannot pass by without becoming the aggressor yourself. Now, if you want to scale the railings, crawl on your hands and knees to get around me, then have at it. Short of that or your climbing this mountain, you won't be passing through. I don't need to "restrain" you or put my hands on you to stop you, since two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time, and I would be there first.

Love this!

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I have no problem with someone making a barthroom break or health issue or somthing like that and letting them get back in line.

How ever the ends when I see and whole family or group pushing there way in.


I have no problem standing my ground in line and being noisy enough to get the attention of the CM's.


AKK

 

[princessallegra]

Yeah, and that's not a country that I would want to push the rules in. They tend to punish harshly over there. I remember the kid who was cained for grafitti.

That was in Singapore...

 

[JimmyV]

Honestly, after several hundred cumulative days in the various parks, this has never presented itself as a major issue. Certainly not one that would warrant 20 pages of discussion and "strategies". I don't let it get to me, as I have a different approach to the way I look at "lines".

The absolute most efficient way to organize a line is to have one, and only one person per party wait in said line, and then have a gate to allow the rest of the party to join the one person waiting in line at the very front. Much like WDW does with some limited mobility access lines. One person waits in line, and when that person gets to the front, they open a gate and allow the wheelchair or scooter to move right in. In actuality, it should work this way for all people. If you are going to wait in line at the box office for tickets to a popular concert or a play, do you have all members of your party get in that line, or do you have one person wait in the line and buy tickets for your entire group? Waiting in line for a ride is really no different. If I am the second person in line to buy tickets to see "Lion King" on Broadway, and the person in front of me is going to buy 6 tickets, then I am (virtually) the 7th person in line, irrespective of whether all 6 people crowd the line in front of me or not. Now, if one member of the group waited in line, and at the last moment before that person got to the ticket window, the other 5 members of his group rushed past me to join him, it wouldn't change my place in line whatsoever. I am still 7th in line.

So too at most rides at WDW. I am not going to share a Tea Cup with another family. So if the person in front of me appears to be a solo, but at the last minute, three other family members join him, it doesn't change my place whatsoever. Instead of that apparent solo person riding by himself in a Tea Cup, he now rides with three other people. I still get the next Tea Cup in line. My place in line has not changed, and the outcome of the waiting game has not changed. If I am in line for Jungle Cruise, and it looks like I am going to board Amazon Annie, (which holds around 40 people), and the parents in front of me are joined at the last minute by their two teenagers, I am still going to get on Amazon Annie. And even if the addition of these two people pushes me back to another boat, then that means that I would have been that last to board Amazon Annie, and I would have gotten the worst center seat. By being pushed back to the next boat, I will be the first to board, and I actually benefit.

In the end, if applied in a logical fashion, queue areas could be made much smaller, and park visits could become much more efficient if the way we approached lines transitioned over to the way we wait in line for tickets. One person per party, while the rest use the restroom, or shop, or rest, or whatever. When your group leader gets to the front of the line, you join them. Now, I know that WDW isn't operating under this system, but since that system is most efficient, I do not mind if people do that. Had all the people been in line ahead of me the entire time, I would be no worse off. And if people are not making me worse off, then why should I complain?

In closing, picture this scenario at Peter Pan. All members of your family get in line, and you are the last ones in that line. When the next family gets behind you, one person in your group says to the group behind you, "Sir; as you can see, we are a party of four and we are all ahead of you. Would you mind if my wife and kids sat on that bench to rest. When we approach the boarding area, my family will rejoin me. And to make this equitable, you can make the same request of the next family that gets behind you." The family behind you agrees. Then, another family gets behind the family behind you, and they make the same request, and it is granted, and so on. If every family did this, then by the time your family got to the boarding area, each and every group would have their place held by one person. The line would not extend out into Fantasyland, and no one would be better off, or worse off than if all members of all families had occupied the queue, and the Peter Pan death march could be avoided. If you are approaching the line to get in the back and want to know how many "ships" are in front of you so that you can judge the wait time, simply count. Each person reoresents, on average 1 (or maybe 1.3 to account for large families) ships. No one could possibly accuse anyone else of "cutting" because everyone will have agreed to this new, efficient and cordial way of waiting in line. It would be great.

Edit to add: But of course, if there are children in the group, and only one adult, they would all have to stick together.

 

[princessallegra]

So many thoughts after reading this whole thread! Wow! We go to WDW at least once a year, sometimes more. We have encountered the occasional re-joiners, 'scuse me-ers, etc. We have never had any kind of egregious offense where we felt the need to "stand our ground" so to speak. We have always just moved aside, let them pass, and gone on enjoying our time.

Now, here is what comes up for me:

1. Why on Earth anyone would want to 'scuse me all the way through a packed line of people is beyond me! I don't really like crowds or lines but I deal with it at disney. I can't imagine pushing and "pardon me-ing" my way back through a whole line. No thanks!

2. Where are these magical CM's throughout the queue that people are notifying of line jumpers?? There's the CM at the entrance, then no one til
The FP separation. Then no one again until loading! So who exactly would you like me to notify mid-queue when there's no CM in sight?

3. The poster who takes the "it's me and my two kids" route with her DH in line while she takes her kids across the way to a character is just...Wow. Just wow. That right there is the ME, entitled, what works for me and my kids is what works for me and it doesn't matter whether it is considerate or not type of attitude. Yeah, no duh it was easier for DH to wait in line while you and the 2 kids met buzz and woody! ??? So confused.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I used to think it was perfectly fine to have someone get in line and save a spot for the rest of the family...I used to agrue the point endlessly right here on there very boards...

I mean it's ok to save seats at a movie right?

It's ok if your in line for a concert and the doors haven't opened yet...in fact there's a camraderie that develops where everyone acknowleges your group's "spot" and if someone runs for coffeee or something it's a-ok.

I've never done it, but I bet folks queueing up for the iPhone5 Friday will adhere to a similar standard as concert lines...no one would ever expect everyone in every group to stay present the whole time while waiting in line. Strikes me as kind of silly and regimented.

How about food lines? Obviously one person can wait in the Dole Whip queue while some sit on a bench nearby at Swiss Family and when you get to the front they can saunter up to get the order straight. I can't imagine anyone feeling the person on the bench should have to go to the back of the queue and you can't order their Dole Whip.

But for some reason it doesn't translate well to the park rides. I don't know why...but it doesn't. It just isn't accepted by a majority of the people and as we are a family that doesn't want to trouble others needlessly we always just get in the queue as a group and wait together...no place holding.

If our family is seperated in the queue for some reason (some are ahead or a couple drop off to get a soda or hit the bathroom etc)...we just stay that way....and ride within a few minutes of each other and catch up at the end.

Or the group in front moves back to the trailing group.

If someone or someones want to slide by us? We just let em without much of a thought. We really don't care.

 

[JimmyV]

But for some reason it doesn't translate well to the park rides. I don't know why...but it doesn't. It just isn't accepted by a majority of the people...

Because most people are not as logical and rational as you. It should translate to park rides, (with the exception of the fact that many rides, like Soarin' and TSM have built queues that make it virtually impossible for the rest of the group to join the one placeholder...but that could be fixed if need be). Your Dole Whip example is a good one. Lots and lots of people have a single person wait in line, and then have the kids join them at the front when it is time to order. Happens more often than not, and it isn't viewed as cutting. The only difference with rides is the overly emotional reaction that people have. And as Mr. Spock taught us, emotion is not the best way to make decisons. Once people get over the emotional issue, they would see that the single placeholder is the best approach. The problem is, everyone has to agree to it. And unless WDW makes this park policy, (which I don't see happening), emotion will always win out. So I don't actually utilize the single placeholder strategy myself as I know people will have an emotional reaction to it. But when others move past me in line to join the rest of their party,it does not bother me because I understand the efficiency involved.

 

[jennylyn_b]

Only bothers me when they push their way thru and don't say excuse me or sorry when they jostle me while I'm holding my DD who was 12.5 months and 18 months on our last two trips. I will gladly slide out of the way just ask!


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[Ed J]

I let people by, I just don't care.

I do however find all the juicy justifications for being a line cutter pretty funny.

And yes if you jump ahead for any-reason, potty break or bathroom emergency's and want to get back to your original spot, you're a line cutter .

 

[KellyNY]

Honestly, after several hundred cumulative days in the various parks, this has never presented itself as a major issue. Certainly not one that would warrant 20 pages of discussion and "strategies". I don't let it get to me, as I have a different approach to the way I look at "lines".

The absolute most efficient way to organize a line is to have one, and only one person per party wait in said line, and then have a gate to allow the rest of the party to join the one person waiting in line at the very front. Much like WDW does with some limited mobility access lines. One person waits in line, and when that person gets to the front, they open a gate and allow the wheelchair or scooter to move right in. In actuality, it should work this way for all people. If you are going to wait in line at the box office for tickets to a popular concert or a play, do you have all members of your party get in that line, or do you have one person wait in the line and buy tickets for your entire group? Waiting in line for a ride is really no different. If I am the second person in line to buy tickets to see "Lion King" on Broadway, and the person in front of me is going to buy 6 tickets, then I am (virtually) the 7th person in line, irrespective of whether all 6 people crowd the line in front of me or not. Now, if one member of the group waited in line, and at the last moment before that person got to the ticket window, the other 5 members of his group rushed past me to join him, it wouldn't change my place in line whatsoever. I am still 7th in line.

So too at most rides at WDW. I am not going to share a Tea Cup with another family. So if the person in front of me appears to be a solo, but at the last minute, three other family members join him, it doesn't change my place whatsoever. Instead of that apparent solo person riding by himself in a Tea Cup, he now rides with three other people. I still get the next Tea Cup in line. My place in line has not changed, and the outcome of the waiting game has not changed. If I am in line for Jungle Cruise, and it looks like I am going to board Amazon Annie, (which holds around 40 people), and the parents in front of me are joined at the last minute by their two teenagers, I am still going to get on Amazon Annie. And even if the addition of these two people pushes me back to another boat, then that means that I would have been that last to board Amazon Annie, and I would have gotten the worst center seat. By being pushed back to the next boat, I will be the first to board, and I actually benefit.

In the end, if applied in a logical fashion, queue areas could be made much smaller, and park visits could become much more efficient if the way we approached lines transitioned over to the way we wait in line for tickets. One person per party, while the rest use the restroom, or shop, or rest, or whatever. When your group leader gets to the front of the line, you join them. Now, I know that WDW isn't operating under this system, but since that system is most efficient, I do not mind if people do that. Had all the people been in line ahead of me the entire time, I would be no worse off. And if people are not making me worse off, then why should I complain?

In closing, picture this scenario at Peter Pan. All members of your family get in line, and you are the last ones in that line. When the next family gets behind you, one person in your group says to the group behind you, "Sir; as you can see, we are a party of four and we are all ahead of you. Would you mind if my wife and kids sat on that bench to rest. When we approach the boarding area, my family will rejoin me. And to make this equitable, you can make the same request of the next family that gets behind you." The family behind you agrees. Then, another family gets behind the family behind you, and they make the same request, and it is granted, and so on. If every family did this, then by the time your family got to the boarding area, each and every group would have their place held by one person. The line would not extend out into Fantasyland, and no one would be better off, or worse off than if all members of all families had occupied the queue, and the Peter Pan death march could be avoided. If you are approaching the line to get in the back and want to know how many "ships" are in front of you so that you can judge the wait time, simply count. Each person reoresents, on average 1 (or maybe 1.3 to account for large families) ships. No one could possibly accuse anyone else of "cutting" because everyone will have agreed to this new, efficient and cordial way of waiting in line. It would be great.

Edit to add: But of course, if there are children in the group, and only one adult, they would all have to stick together.

I like your system but unfortunately it may not work well.

First, there are not enough benches for families to sit and wait, therefore families will spread walking to maybe other attractions, stores and so on and because of that they can simply be late.

Second, unless you and your family members have phones, how will you let them know it is time.

Third, families will not know who is behind whom and they will just stand next to the gate, blocking each other which will create delay for the right family to get to the gate and therefore line will be longer then it should be.

Finally, they will have to come out with second, wide line next to the gate to be able to fit all those family members, since most rides board somewhere deep inside the building.

So in theory it should be fine, and I personally like idea of kids waiting outside instead of getting cranky and cry for 30 min, but in life it would not work.

 

[ellie05]

I used to think it was perfectly fine to have someone get in line and save a spot for the rest of the family...I used to agrue the point endlessly right here on there very boards...

I mean it's ok to save seats at a movie right?

It's ok if your in line for a concert and the doors haven't opened yet...in fact there's a camraderie that develops where everyone acknowleges your group's "spot" and if someone runs for coffeee or something it's a-ok.

I've never done it, but I bet folks queueing up for the iPhone5 Friday will adhere to a similar standard as concert lines...no one would ever expect everyone in every group to stay present the whole time while waiting in line. Strikes me as kind of silly and regimented.

How about food lines? Obviously one person can wait in the Dole Whip queue while some sit on a bench nearby at Swiss Family and when you get to the front they can saunter up to get the order straight. I can't imagine anyone feeling the person on the bench should have to go to the back of the queue and you can't order their Dole Whip.

But for some reason it doesn't translate well to the park rides. I don't know why...but it doesn't. It just isn't accepted by a majority of the people and as we are a family that doesn't want to trouble others needlessly we always just get in the queue as a group and wait together...no place holding.

If our family is seperated in the queue for some reason (some are ahead or a couple drop off to get a soda or hit the bathroom etc)...we just stay that way....and ride within a few minutes of each other and catch up at the end.

Or the group in front moves back to the trailing group.

If someone or someones want to slide by us? We just let em without much of a thought. We really don't care.

I don't think your comparisons are the same.

1.The movie theater scenario, there are way more people in a line (most times) than people in a row, otherwise there is no point on cutting the line. I find it extremely rude when you are cutting line you virtually have to push people. I been hit by backpacks before, it is just rude. The lines has obviously not been design for people to be walking by while others wait. Plus if you don't make it on time to the movie theater then it is you that are missing the movie. Instead of being push back further down the line.

2. WDW policy says that line-cutting is not permitted. So just because of that there really shouldn't be any argument.

3. I don't know what concerts you been to, but I never been to a concert that was ok with the crowd. Except if you have assigned seats.

4. Iphone lines and other things like that. I never found a line were people were ok with that. They usually have a limit that 1 person can get anyway. When we did the line for the Disney designer princesses no line cutting was tolerated. In fact there was one person that attempted and it was send to the end of the line and end up with nothing.

Everyone would love to not have to wait in line and go do something else, we all have to wait in line so I don't see why anyone is so special that think they can just cut the people waiting while then go so something else (potty breaks for kids excluded).

 

[Disney_Princess83]

I'm surprised what people let other them. Is it annoying? Maybe BUT so what? If you're still thinking about it, you're the only one that's having their time at WDW ruined. Things happen, move on.

On our last trip, I technically "cut" in line. We were lining up for Belle and Beast (they weren't out yet) and it was the last set of a day with Beast. We were 5 people from the front and the line was already at least 40 people long. I had to use the bathroom so I raced across and came back. My sister stayed in line and I had already been lining up for 10-15 mins. I wasn't cutting in the line, I already had my spot but I needed a bathroom break.

If people cut in front of me in a line, I just shrug it off. Not worth getting bothered over it and in reality it's not really holding me up that much. A minute, usually less.

 

[ellie05]

I like your system but unfortunately it may not work well.

First, there are not enough benches for families to sit and wait, therefore families will spread walking to maybe other attractions, stores and so on and because of that they can simply be late.

Second, unless you and your family members have phones, how will you let them know it is time.

Third, families will not know who is behind whom and they will just stand next to the gate, blocking each other which will create delay for the right family to get to the gate and therefore line will be longer then it should be.

Finally, they will have to come out with second, wide line next to the gate to be able to fit all those family members, since most rides board somewhere deep inside the building.

So in theory it should be fine, and I personally like idea of kids waiting outside instead of getting cranky and cry for 30 min, but in life it would not work.

I also don't see this working either. I mean how would you know when the person is in front of the line. I am sure there has been a lot of research done on Disney part the most effective way is used.

 

[Mkrop]

Honestly, after several hundred cumulative days in the various parks, this has never presented itself as a major issue. Certainly not one that would warrant 20 pages of discussion and "strategies". I don't let it get to me, as I have a different approach to the way I look at "lines".

The absolute most efficient way to organize a line is to have one, and only one person per party wait in said line, and then have a gate to allow the rest of the party to join the one person waiting in line at the very front. Much like WDW does with some limited mobility access lines. One person waits in line, and when that person gets to the front, they open a gate and allow the wheelchair or scooter to move right in. In actuality, it should work this way for all people. If you are going to wait in line at the box office for tickets to a popular concert or a play, do you have all members of your party get in that line, or do you have one person wait in the line and buy tickets for your entire group? Waiting in line for a ride is really no different. If I am the second person in line to buy tickets to see "Lion King" on Broadway, and the person in front of me is going to buy 6 tickets, then I am (virtually) the 7th person in line, irrespective of whether all 6 people crowd the line in front of me or not. Now, if one member of the group waited in line, and at the last moment before that person got to the ticket window, the other 5 members of his group rushed past me to join him, it wouldn't change my place in line whatsoever. I am still 7th in line.

So too at most rides at WDW. I am not going to share a Tea Cup with another family. So if the person in front of me appears to be a solo, but at the last minute, three other family members join him, it doesn't change my place whatsoever. Instead of that apparent solo person riding by himself in a Tea Cup, he now rides with three other people. I still get the next Tea Cup in line. My place in line has not changed, and the outcome of the waiting game has not changed. If I am in line for Jungle Cruise, and it looks like I am going to board Amazon Annie, (which holds around 40 people), and the parents in front of me are joined at the last minute by their two teenagers, I am still going to get on Amazon Annie. And even if the addition of these two people pushes me back to another boat, then that means that I would have been that last to board Amazon Annie, and I would have gotten the worst center seat. By being pushed back to the next boat, I will be the first to board, and I actually benefit.

In the end, if applied in a logical fashion, queue areas could be made much smaller, and park visits could become much more efficient if the way we approached lines transitioned over to the way we wait in line for tickets. One person per party, while the rest use the restroom, or shop, or rest, or whatever. When your group leader gets to the front of the line, you join them. Now, I know that WDW isn't operating under this system, but since that system is most efficient, I do not mind if people do that. Had all the people been in line ahead of me the entire time, I would be no worse off. And if people are not making me worse off, then why should I complain?

In closing, picture this scenario at Peter Pan. All members of your family get in line, and you are the last ones in that line. When the next family gets behind you, one person in your group says to the group behind you, "Sir; as you can see, we are a party of four and we are all ahead of you. Would you mind if my wife and kids sat on that bench to rest. When we approach the boarding area, my family will rejoin me. And to make this equitable, you can make the same request of the next family that gets behind you." The family behind you agrees. Then, another family gets behind the family behind you, and they make the same request, and it is granted, and so on. If every family did this, then by the time your family got to the boarding area, each and every group would have their place held by one person. The line would not extend out into Fantasyland, and no one would be better off, or worse off than if all members of all families had occupied the queue, and the Peter Pan death march could be avoided. If you are approaching the line to get in the back and want to know how many "ships" are in front of you so that you can judge the wait time, simply count. Each person reoresents, on average 1 (or maybe 1.3 to account for large families) ships. No one could possibly accuse anyone else of "cutting" because everyone will have agreed to this new, efficient and cordial way of waiting in line. It would be great.

Edit to add: But of course, if there are children in the group, and only one adult, they would all have to stick together.

This doesnt seem logical to me at all. Where the heck are all these people going to wait There are not enough benches to accomdate the waiters. Then you will have the people who want to squeeze one more thing in before they would rejoin the placeholder in the Peter Pan line, holding up the line. And it is one thing if it a bathroom or to buy water but for me the point is to ride together or see characters together. Plus how am I suppose to know how many people are ahead of you, or will be rejoining you to know if the line is worth getting in or getting a FP? Should the tour group leader get in line and wait and then call over the 40 kids in his group? Should Dad hold the line while the rest of the family reunion of 20 is meeting and taking pictures with the Green Army guy who appeared outside TSMM

I really dont know why it is so difficult to look at a wait time before you get in line and say "hmmm this is a 60 minute wait for Peter Pan" before we get in line everyone let's make a stop at the bathroom" or "let's stop at this place and get some waters bc the line is long and outside" and then enter the line together as a family. Then you would see much less people having to leave the line for potty breaks or water runs.

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

I don't think your comparisons are the same.

1.The movie theater scenario, there are way more people in a line (most times) than people in a row, otherwise there is no point on cutting the line. I find it extremely rude when you are cutting line you virtually have to push people. I been hit by backpacks before, it is just rude. The lines has obviously not been design for people to be walking by while others wait. Plus if you don't make it on time to the movie theater then it is you that are missing the movie. Instead of being push back further down the line.

2. WDW policy says that line-cutting is not permitted. So just because of that there really shouldn't be any argument.

3. I don't know what concerts you been to, but I never been to a concert that was ok with the crowd. Except if you have assigned seats.

4. Iphone lines and other things like that. I never found a line were people were ok with that. They usually have a limit that 1 person can get anyway. When we did the line for the Disney designer princesses no line cutting was tolerated. In fact there was one person that attempted and it was send to the end of the line and end up with nothing.

Everyone would love to not have to wait in line and go do something else, we all have to wait in line so I don't see why anyone is so special that think they can just cut the people waiting while then go so something else (potty breaks for kids excluded).

1. I meant when one person goes in and gets seats while another goes and gets popcorn. You don't have a problem with the seat saver do you?

2. lol, it's not that cut and dried. the whole argument is the definition of "line cutting". My view is if someone has saved a spot, it isn't cutting.

What about my Dole Whip example? you skipped that one.

 

[JimmyV]

I like your system but unfortunately it may not work well.

First, there are not enough benches for families to sit and wait, therefore families will spread walking to maybe other attractions, stores and so on and because of that they can simply be late. Well, the objective would be to let people do what they want. So roaming would be encouraged. If you are late, then the person holding the place in line simply has to let other pass.

Second, unless you and your family members have phones, how will you let them know it is time. I think society has cured this problem for us. Everyone has a phone! And even if they didn't, if such a system were in place, people would start to get used to it. Besides, the total wait time neither increases nor decreases. You have simply moved the majority of people out of the queue. You haven't moved them off the ride. If the sign says "Wait Time From Here 35 minutes", then people would plan to come back to the general area in 25.

Third, families will not know who is behind whom and they will just stand next to the gate, blocking each other which will create delay for the right family to get to the gate and therefore line will be longer then it should be. This could present a problem, but could be cured with a simple sign that says: "Do not enter or crowd this boarding area until the person in your party is 5th in line or less." That would keep people from crowding the boarding area, waiting for a parent who is 10th in line, and still 10 minutes from boarding.

Finally, they will have to come out with second, wide line next to the gate to be able to fit all those family members, since most rides board somewhere deep inside the building. This is the single biggest problem. WDW has built attractions with queues that simply won't allow for later entry unless one uses a side door or exit area, as they do for wheelchair access now.

So in theory it should be fine, and I personally like idea of kids waiting outside instead of getting cranky and cry for 30 min, but in life it would not work.

Your points are good ones, and I do not expect there to ever be an "official" change. The real point of my post is to demonstrate that "cutting" is only "cutting" if it is done without the permission of the masses, and that we all have the ability to grant that permission, as we would all benefit in the end. Instead of this being a stubborn battle of wills, when each member of society grants every other member of society the right to do something that benefits everyone, we all win. When I ahead of someone as I walk into the bank, and there is someone directly behind me, I open the door and hold it to allow that other person to enter. They are now ahead of me in line to see the teller. Are they a "cutter"? No. I gave them permission. When someone is in line in front of me at the grocery store, and she spies her husband in the store with a single item in his hands and she asks if it is OK for her husband to add that item to her cart, is he a "cutter"? No. I gave him permission. People seem to lose sight of the fact that even under Disney's "no cutting" rules, someone is not a cutter if permission is granted. For whatever reason, that level of permission and courtesy are hardest to find in the Happiest Place On Earth and its progeny.