What do you do about a barking dog?

[BradyBz12]

Any crate that would fit Brownie, would be bigger than our Pop up!

Ok, gotta see a picture!

he'll run around and play like there's no tomorrow then BAM, drop like a stone and out like a light for several hours.

I figure my border collies will be like that too... when they're about 12!

Right now they're 2 and almost 7, and the 7 year old has NO problem at all keeping up with the little one. In fact, he acts more like a puppy now than when he WAS a puppy!

I'm surprised I haven't wrapped them all in bubble wrap and stuffed them in a closet ~grin~

DH is the same way! When we're on the road, he makes me put an extra harness and *2* leashes on our little one in case we drop one on a potty break. (not.even.kidding) Of course I can't really blame him. She's the one that will wander off looking for something fun to do, and will go to pretty much any breathing human looking for a friend.

Our older boy is velcro and not going anywhere where we're not.

I shouldn't admit this but.....when I take Brownie to the Disney kennels....I take a big battery operated fan and a blanket for his cot. I know...I'm pathetic.

Nah... you're just a really good dog Mom.

I'm surprised I haven't brought the portable DVD player so he can watch Animal Planet.........hmmmmm

<LOL> Umm... that's what we did so that the dogs would have a TV they could see from their end of the TT. Yup - we're hopeless too!

... if the weather was nice, they had access to water, and are used to being crated while the owners are away, asleep, etc. I think they probably weren't horrible pet owners. AND, is it possible Disney gave them permission to bring their dogs under those circumstances?

In the 2 cases we witnessed the dogs really were perfectly fine. It was in Dec and the dogs were under cover and in the shade and didn't seem to be in any sort of distress (or we definitely would have done something!) In fact we didn't even know the dog in the add-a-room was there until we walked by and he happened to sit up and look at us. The biggest issue was the one where the dogs were crated outside at night and barked at 2am.

Not sure about the "permission" part, but based on other reports, I'd say that more likely than not Disney just doesn't enforce their own rules. Which makes no sense to me. Presumably they're there for a reason, otherwise why have them at all?

 

[njcamper95]

As a rescue person also me and my wife do brittany rescue I will say this also crates are NOT escape proof either we were fostering a young brit and he was in a crate overnite and one morning when i got up for work i noticed him sleeping in a room out of his crate he some how pryed the top open and escaped I had to zip tie the whole thing to secure it

 

[Brer Bear]

When we are running around like crazy just to squeeze every ounce of fun from a Disney vacation, it just wouldn't be fair to our dog to bring her...no offense to anyone else! I do think that it's great that camping provides the ability to take your dog with you and we do...just not to Disney!

 

[BradyBz12]

me and my wife do brittany rescue I will say this also crates are NOT escape proof either

Oh too true! We've had a few Houdinis in rescue over the years. We've got one right now with severe separation anxiety and pretty much no crate on the planet will hold her.

My own 2 are not escape artists and are quite content in their crates, but yes, you absolutely have to know your dog. And the time to try out a crate for the first time is NOT when you're on vacation. Make sure your dog is very used to and happy in a crate at home, before ever trusting him/her in one in a place where they could get hurt or into trouble.

We did a bunch of camping test runs with our dogs when we got our TT to make sure we have a routine and things are hunky dorey before we ever headed to FW for an extended period. They've now camped all over the place and are as comfortable in the TT as they are at home.

I really do think some of the problems people have with their dogs at FW is that their dogs just plain aren't used to camping. It's a lot to expect of a dog to chuck him in a new situation (camper) in a new place (FW) and just think they're going to be as comfortable and well-behaved as they are at home right off the bat. Unless your dog is incredibly well-adjusted, adaptable and laid back, probably isn't going to happen.

You really have to know your dog and set them up for success for everyone to be happy (including your neighbors!)

 

[BradyBz12]

When we are running around like crazy just to squeeze every ounce of fun from a Disney vacation, it just wouldn't be fair to our dog to bring her...

A really excellent point! We're very lucky that we're able to sock away our vacation time and spend 2-3 weeks at FW. That affords us the luxury of being able to do things at a leisurely pace, and factor in "puppy time."

I absolutely agree that if your WDW schedule is more jam-packed (and most are!) that it's not fair to your dog and s/he would probably be FAR happier at home or kenneled somewhere they can be happy and relaxed.

And there's certainly nothing wrong with wanting a vacation without your dog! We enjoy taking ours along, but have done puppy-less vacations in the past where they've stayed with family and a good time was had by all.

 

[Cindy F]

Ok, gotta see a picture!

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<LOL> Umm... that's what we did so that the dogs would have a TV they could see from their end of the TT. Yup - we're hopeless too!

....In the 2 cases we witnessed the dogs really were perfectly fine. It was in Dec and the dogs were under cover and in the shade and didn't seem to be in any sort of distress (or we definitely would have done something!) In fact we didn't even know the dog in the add-a-room was there until we walked by and he happened to sit up and look at us. The biggest issue was the one where the dogs were crated outside at night and barked at 2am.

Not sure about the "permission" part, but based on other reports, I'd say that more likely than not Disney just doesn't enforce their own rules. Which makes no sense to me. Presumably they're there for a reason, otherwise why have them at all?

He's not really all that big-I've seen bigger, we just tease him about being a buffalo LOL he's 110 pounds and about 5'4 when he stands up those big pony legs!


I am SOO glad I'm not the only one totally "eat up" with my dog!

So here's why I couldn't crate my dog...get ready to laugh..because it really is kinda looney tunes...

"what if he was in a crate and then what if the house caught on fire and then he couldn't get out of the crate" that reasoning goes well with...

"No, we can't leave him the camper van with the air on, what if the power went out? I know we would have the fantastic vent going but what if the battery died after the power went out?"

or

"No, you can't ride with your sister to the movies, what if she has an accident and you are both killed, I'll take you both."

Freakish isn't it? I'm thinking Mom and John's accident might have left me just a teensy bit wacko!

and now for pictures of my pony boy....

Please excuse DD, she is physically incapable of having her picture taken without making a face.

I call this the "HEY! Did you hear me? I said I would like some pancakes and sausage. Okay, I'm going to tell mom" picture

 

[juligrl]

I figure my border collies will be like that too... when they're about 12!

Right now they're 2 and almost 7, and the 7 year old has NO problem at all keeping up with the little one. In fact, he acts more like a puppy now than when he WAS a puppy!

I don't know much about border collies other than that they are working dogs with the energy level to match it and are known for having a near-endless supply of energy and wit. Kind of like the Jack Russell Terrier only the Jack is smaller! I wouldn't count on the energy level going down. My soon to be 11 year old JRT runs circles around dogs half her age.

 

[LarryJ]

I've seen several people refer to the line in the "pet agreement" about dogs in POP UP with canvass sides. Unless we were misinformed when we had our barking/howling dog(s) issues the past Oct/Nov DW was told by the CM at the front desk that that section of the agreement was changed to only require the POP UP to have a hard top to keep dogs in them when you weren't there. So POP UP with a hard top and canvass sides was O.K.

I might have missed it, but maybe someone should double check what we were told.

Larry

 

[BradyBz12]

He's not really all that big-I've seen bigger, we just tease him about being a buffalo LOL he's 110 pounds and about 5'4 when he stands up those big pony legs!

Oh he's gorgeous... and yeah, pretty darned BIG.

We saw a dog at FW last month that was absolutely enormous! This dog standing, had to be a good 42" tall. He kind of looked like like some sort of wolfhound, but not like most I've seen.

"what if he was in a crate and then what if the house caught on fire and then he couldn't get out of the crate"

Well if you're certifiable for thinking that, DH will be in the next cell.

...Kind of like the Jack Russell Terrier only the Jack is smaller! I wouldn't count on the energy level going down. My soon to be 11 year old JRT runs circles around dogs half her age.

Yup - sounds right on! We've had BCs come into rescue at 10, 12 and 14 years old and they could run circles around most 3 or 4 year old "normal" breed dogs. My in-laws BC is 11 and has one hip that's just about shot, and he'll still tear after the tennis ball every time - even if he has to 3 leg it!

I was walking my almost-7 year old at FW last month when a couple stopped us to say hi (mostly to my dog I'm sure!) and said, "oh, he's a young one isn't he?

DW was told by the CM at the front desk that that section of the agreement was changed to only require the POP UP to have a hard top to keep dogs in them when you weren't there. So POP UP with a hard top and canvass sides was O.K.

Huh, if they've officially changed their policy, they haven't put it in writing yet. The agreement we signed 11/30 says, "Pets are not allowed in pop-up trailers or tents." No further specification noted.

And, um.... don't ALL popups have a hard top? Sounds like another case of Disney not even being sure what its own policy is.

BTW, I personally have no problem if they want to allow dogs in popups as long as the popup is equipped with A/C for the dogs safety, the dogs really can't escape (ditto safety) and the barking is kept to a minimum (common courtesy for everyone at FW with a dog!)

 

[Cindy F]

Oh he's gorgeous... and yeah, pretty darned BIG.

We saw a dog at FW last month that was absolutely enormous! This dog standing, had to be a good 42" tall. He kind of looked like like some sort of wolfhound, but not like most I've seen.....Well if you're certifiable for thinking that, DH will be in the next cell.


Huh, if they've officially changed their policy, they haven't put it in writing yet. The agreement we signed 11/30 says, "Pets are not allowed in pop-up trailers or tents." No further specification noted.

BTW, I personally have no problem if they want to allow dogs in popups as long as the popup is equipped with A/C for the dogs safety, the dogs really can't escape (ditto safety) and the barking is kept to a minimum (common courtesy for everyone at FW with a dog!)

LOL! Glad I'm not the only nut burger! Tell your DH he's in good company! Thanks for the compliments on Big Boy, of course we adore him like there's no tomorrow...so gentle and loving--hands down the best dog I've ever had! I don't think I would be gentle and loving if someone threw me in a garbage dumpster Who tries to drown a puppy then throws them in the dumpster? That's just so evil

Edit*** There were two GORGEOUS Great Danes in the spot across from us around Christmas, they were huge and had big beautiful melty eyes.***

The CM told me, "You can have pets in a tent or pop up as long as you're there with them" Just my opinion but I think that's a better option--at least for the popup due to the bungee risk.

I sure hope we get to meet your pups one day at The Fort! They can chat to each other about how spoiled they are and have the have us whipped ~grin~

 

[BradyBz12]

The CM told me, "You can have pets in a tent or pop up as long as you're there with them"

That actually makes a lot of sense to me, for all the reasons the rule is supposedly in place to begin with.

I sure hope we get to meet your pups one day at The Fort! They can chat to each other about how spoiled they are...

For sure! We're always easy to spot. Just look for DH - the guy in the lounge chair with a lap full of dog...

 

[Tricializ]

As a rescue person also me and my wife do brittany rescue I will say this also crates are NOT escape proof either we were fostering a young brit and he was in a crate overnite and one morning when i got up for work i noticed him sleeping in a room out of his crate he some how pryed the top open and escaped I had to zip tie the whole thing to secure it

We used to have 2 maltese who would climb out of the top of their crate. One would instigate and show the other one. The holes in the top were big enough for them to get through. But this was a tall crate. I swear they were part cat. We had to use a solid crate instead.

 

[LarryJ]

Huh, if they've officially changed their policy, they haven't put it in writing yet. The agreement we signed 11/30 says, "Pets are not allowed in pop-up trailers or tents." No further specification noted.

I signed the same one and the CM indicated the hand out sheet just hadn't been updated yet. It's the old you can make what is written less restrictive, it's when you add something that is in writing people get their panties in a bunch

And, um.... don't ALL popups have a hard top? Sounds like another case of Disney not even being sure what its own policy is.

That's why I included that someone might want to double check what we were told. I totally understand the left hand right hand problems and Disney at times even seems to have issues with their feet at the same time

Larry

 

[chartle]

And, um.... don't ALL popups have a hard top?

Not necessarily. Years ago (the 70's) we used to call what is now just called a pop up tent trailer a hard top pop up tent trailer. There used to be a type of trailer called a pop-up tent trailer that didn't have a hard top.

I haven't seen one in years, but it seems they are still around.

http://www.pickaspottrailers.com/site/1003441/page/445555

 

[BradyBz12]

I signed the same one and the CM indicated the hand out sheet just hadn't been updated yet. It's the old you can make what is written less restrictive, it's when you add something that is in writing people get their panties in a bunch

Ah... makes sense.

I totally understand the left hand right hand problems and Disney at times even seems to have issues with their feet at the same time

used to be a type of trailer called a pop-up tent trailer that didn't have a hard top.

Yup - that clearly is a popup trailer without a hard top!

Actually I have seen things like this in RV mags recently. Just never considered them in the same class as what we usually think of as a "popup". But there you go - with all that's out there for trailers these days, it's probably not possible for Disney to even figure out what fits which category.

Probably most important is why the rule is there. If it's an "escape" issue or a noise issue, or whatever, then they should probably address specifically that and not what type of camper the dog is actually in.

I would imagine hybrid campers like ours have them all sorts of befuddled. Not only does it have a hard top, but it has hard sides as well!

We solve the escape issue by crating our dogs when we're gone. As for noise, we make sure our dogs are well exercised, can't see out, have the TV going AND the air/fan for white noise. We've done numerous test runs - even had a stranger poking around outside our camper once (long story - not a problem) and they don't make a peep.

We also talk to our neighbors and ask them to let us know if we're disturbing them at all and we'll take care of it. I've had neighbors that let their dogs bark and bark and bark (even here at home). I don't ever want to be that neighbor.

I think if Disney simply said, "all dogs must be leashed or securely inside the camping vehicle at all times" and actually enforced the "dogs found to be an annoyance to their neighbors must be kenneled" policy, everything would be just fine.

Phew... that took a left turn straight into Disney Policy 101!

 

[chartle]

Actually I have seen things like this in RV mags recently. Just never considered them in the same class as what we usually think of as a "popup". But there you go - with all that's out there for trailers these days, it's probably not possible for Disney to even figure out what fits which category.

Not to hijack a thread.

I wonder it they're coming back because today's cars just can't pull trailers like they used to.

 

[juligrl]

Continuing to hijack the thread....
We were camped right next to one of these on our family camping trip this summer. As a tenter, I thought it was neat!

 

[BradyBz12]

Not to hijack a thread.

I think that shipped has sailed (guilty!)

I wonder it they're coming back because today's cars just can't pull trailers like they used to.

I know we got our hybrid because our existing SUV could pull it and we didn't need to buy a big new honkin' truck. Not that DH wouldn't love a big truck, but at the time gas was high and it just didn't make sense financially.

 

[DWFan4Life]

Thanks guys. YOu are all so funny. I'm here by myself with two kids and don't really want to make enemies. I see they are from Florida and hoping they are just here for a long weekend. But it actually seems to be a bit better. They at least had him in earlier. Of course, when I took my dogs out to walk them, he was back out and barking like mad. But on the good side, my one dog who will bark (chihuahua just doesn't bark much at all ever) seems to be tuning him out so at least it won't be a chain reaction. The owner was out and when barky was doin his thing, he said, "He just wants to play". I said, "oh yeah? Seems like he's got a lot to say". Maybe he got the hint? We'll see how it goes tonight. I once had a lab that was a barker and I know it can be really really hard. But when I had Zoe, I didn't take her places like this that she would annoy others. It is true that it is the minority that ruin it for the majority.
Thanks again for the solutions.
Tricia

Nice one for your dog. Maybe your right, the dog keeps on barking because he just wants to play but no one listen the way he wants to. All we think is that they disturb us by their noise, but we didn't see the other side of it.

 

[tinkerbell34]

We are relatively new to camping (tent) and I would like to take our two big dogs with us (in general/ not FW yet). They have never been camping before and I have concerns over being that annoying neighbor. They don't bark at home, or on walks (even when other dogs are barking at them) but I would hate to find out they want to bark at the strange noise in the woods nonstop. My border collie/lab mix has been known to do some 2am barking outside persumably at some woodland creature (our home is in a desolate wooded area). Of course I promptly bring him in at the first bark but not really capable of preventing him from hearing those noises in a tent. Any suggestions for first time puppy campers?

Also, to the OP...did your neighbors leave or did things finally get under control?

To the fellow dog rescuers....I had to chime in. Both of my dogs are rescues. My border collie/lab has 1/2 a tail because the vet thinks his tail got caught in a lawn mower. It is broken in several places. He also has knee dysplasia so bad he can not walk without a regimine of glycosimine and pain killers (He is only 2). He LOVES people though and wants everyone to pet him. My other lab/ sher pei mix is TERRIFIED of people. She was abandoned in a wooded lot so I have do idea what her life was like before we adopted her. I will never understand how people can be so mean and irresponsible!!