What do DVC owners think of DVC renters?

[Brian Noble]

What about those of us who are DVC members but use relative's RCI points to exchange into DVC for a trip?

The little winky-smiley means "that was a joke."

But, like all jokes, there is a tinge of truth to it. Some folks equate the money you spend to be there with your "class", and so someone who exchanges in on a cheap timeshare must necessarily be lower on the totem pole.

But, if you are there on an exchange, no one ever needs to know it unless you bring it up. The front desk will know, because they handle the $95 inbound fee, but they'll have no idea how much you paid vs. how much anyone else did---again, unless you bring it up. And, I'd never do that, because I'm one of those people who lumps "what did it cost" as a conversation topic in with religion and politics, *especially* on vacation.

 

[vicki_c]

The person who made the original snarky comments sounds like a "sour grapes" type. Maybe they were unaware that renting points was even an option before they purchased and are regretting their purchase. I wouldn't let one person's opinion bother you. Or multiple people's opinion, for that matter, although you can see by this thread that most are not bothered by it at all.

 

[spiceycat]

DVC does not care. they allow 19 rentals a year - before they decide you are a professional renter.

don't blame the DVCers you rented from or you.

have a great time!!!

when I was a new member - most of the people on the bus with me either rented from a member or rented from Disney,

Disney rentals are the ones who don't take care of the place. Most of the DVCer's rentals are nice people just like you.

for proof just look at BLT - it was cash rental first - and those people definitely hurt the place. those were all Disney rental.

 

[Inkmahm]

The little winky-smiley means "that was a joke."

But, like all jokes, there is a tinge of truth to it. Some folks equate the money you spend to be there with your "class", and so someone who exchanges in on a cheap timeshare must necessarily be lower on the totem pole.

But, if you are there on an exchange, no one ever needs to know it unless you bring it up. The front desk will know, because they handle the $95 inbound fee, but they'll have no idea how much you paid vs. how much anyone else did---again, unless you bring it up. And, I'd never do that, because I'm one of those people who lumps "what did it cost" as a conversation topic in with religion and politics, *especially* on vacation.

Good. I thought I must have missed another thread at some point with DVC members complaining about RCI people exchanging IN to OUR resorts!

While I did pay all the RCI fees for my inlaws and I'll pay the $95 DVC exchange fees when we get there, my inlaws were very generous in providing their RCI points for our December family trip (inlaws, DH and me as well as DH's sister and husband) and our March trip for just DH and me. It feels really good to be on the receiving end for a change since I'm usually the one using our DVC points to take others to WDW. Of course, it still won't be a free vacation because I will pay for all of the meals for everyone and I've already bought us all tickets to Discovery Cove, etc. But I would have done that anyway and now I get to keep my DVC points for future trips!

 

[Dreamer24]

I am curious about this too, as a first time renter. What are the dvc perks not available to renters?

 

[Deb & Bill]

I am curious about this too, as a first time renter. What are the dvc perks not available to renters?

As a renter, you are entitled to all the perks that other guests to WDW resorts get, like free parking at the theme parks, admission to EMH if you have a ticket, package delivery to your resort, riding Disney transportation, use of Magical Express. If you need any more perks, buy a membership.

 

[Dreamer24]

As a renter, you are entitled to all the perks that other guests to WDW resorts get, like free parking at the theme parks, admission to EMH if you have a ticket, package delivery to your resort, riding Disney transportation, use of Magical Express. If you need any more perks, buy a membership.

Deb,

I was not asking because I "need" any more perks or because I would like to get something I am not at all entitled to. I don't know much about DVC and truly do not know what the perks are. Who knows, I may decide to purchase DVC some day. Until then, I would not expect any perks I am not entitled to.

Perhaps someone who is less rude and presumptive will come along and fill me in.

Have a lovely day.

 

[Deb & Bill]

There are dining, shopping and lodging discounts. There are admission to special events or the opportunity to sign up for limited admission events. To discuss them entirely would require multiple pages, including a copy of Portable Perks. You should be able to google DVC perks to find out about them.

 

[BEASLYBOO]

DVC is supposed to be for personal use. So when a member purposely purchases extra points to rent them out on a regular basis, they are doing that contrary to what DVC is intended for.

Members are entitled to make reservations for others, but they are supposed to notify MS that they are receiving compensation for that stay. If a non-member is truly a guest of the member and no compensation is paid to the member, the guest is entitled to some of the DVC perks (limited perks). But if the member is compensated for the stay, the non-member is not entitled to any perks because they are DVC member perks. Those visitors should not have "DVC member" on their KTTW.

I just wish the members who do rent a reservation out on occasion would follow the rules. And I wish DVC would follow the rules as well.

As a long time Dis Member, maybe you can answer this for me, I've always been puzzed with David's Point Rental Service, given the rules how is he able to make a business out of this, cleary not for personal use but for personal gain.

 

[daisyyy]

Deb,

I was not asking because I "need" any more perks or because I would like to get something I am not at all entitled to. I don't know much about DVC and truly do not know what the perks are. Who knows, I may decide to purchase DVC some day. Until then, I would not expect any perks I am not entitled to.

Perhaps someone who is less rude and presumptive will come along and fill me in.

Have a lovely day.

Thank you.. I was thinking the same thing.... I am not an owner, but I come on this page for informational purposes... I'm just trying to see if becoming an owner is right for us. We're at the point with a family of 6, that fitting into a moderate resort isn't gonna work anymore. I hate the thought of renting off property, so a lot of people I know have suggested "renting " points.... but I haven't the slightest idea of how to go about doing that. I'm not really looking for perks.. I'm just looking for a place to stay. I'm happy with a room, and magical Express that's all I need. Anything else I wouldn't know I was missing honestly. We're very simple, but from what I hear It's really nice to stay in a DVC, It's just confusing .

 

[yitbos96bb]

I am a first time DVC renter for a vacation for January. I feel like I am getting a steal, going for 8 nights at about $107 per night at a Deluxe Villa resort (BWV).

My renting experience has been incredible. I am very appreciative of the DVC owner I am renting from, and understand that there are certain privileges that I am not privy to, nor will I ask for. We are really excited about the chance to stay at such a nice hotel. Our owner is very appreciate that I rented from her too. Everyone is happy.

Anyway, my wife mentioned to a different DVC owner that we are renting points, and was concerned the owner thought of us as scammers, having not "paid our dues" to be able to stay at their DVC hotels. For they dropped $20K on a contract plus annual dues and we "snuck in" and got in with only paying $10 per point.

Do some DVC owners consider DVC renters unethical or shady, somehow diluting the product that is the DVC? Or should I have a clear conscious that what I am doing is ok and can be done again in the future?

Thank you in advance for your responses.

The person your wife talked to sounds like a tool. The owner who is renting the points paid the price for them... as long as they aren't breaking any rules, then there should be no problem from anyone. If they are going to be mad, then they should get mad at the person who owns the points and rents them in the first place (but that is unjustifiable as well, IMHO).

 

[yitbos96bb]

Don't worry about it ...I even financed (dirty, dirty word) my membership. Renters are higher on the totem pole than financed owners. in the great "world of DVC membership'.

Or just in the minds of certain pathetic and self absorbed people.... nothing wrong with renting, financing, etc. It's your money and points and not theirs.

 

[yitbos96bb]

So long as you treat the place well, any problem I have is not with the renter. I just don't like the idea that I might not be able to get a reservation if someone has renters before the 7-month window such that the renter actually has a better shot than I do at getting the dates/unit that I want just because I own at a different resort. I also thought renting (as opposed to giving) points was against the rules. I need some extra rooms on a trip later this year, but I am paying for those rooms with cash because I am not comfortable with renting (purely because I am an owner). To each his own though, I don't expect others to turn down a good deal.

Caroline

If the owner used the points themselves, you'd still run into the same issue of not possibly having a specific resort at the 7 month window... isn't that the same thing, pretty much?

 

[yitbos96bb]

As a long time Dis Member, maybe you can answer this for me, I've always been puzzed with David's Point Rental Service, given the rules how is he able to make a business out of this, cleary not for personal use but for personal gain.

From what I understand, his service is more of a broker system than a rental system. He matches renters with buyers, acting the middle man and gives both sides a little protection from scams, etc. He doesn't own the points outright and renting his own points as a commercial business. I actually asked member services about it and was told that it was ok.

 

[crisi]

If the owner used the points themselves, you'd still run into the same issue of not possibly having a specific resort at the 7 month window... isn't that the same thing, pretty much?

Probably, but maybe more points wouldn't be used at all and would expire, giving other members more breakage income and freeing up availability for non-owners. Certainly there would be changes in the usage profile if renting didn't happen - how significant those changes would be - I'd think they'd be pretty minor myself - but that isn't the emotional response people have when they are trying to reserve a non-home resort in early December and its all booked up - but someone else has rented points for where they want to stay.

I don't really care about renters - I think owners are just as likely to trash rooms and I don't know an owner from renter by looking at them, being able to rent my points is a nice perk if I ever get in a bind, we almost always plan a year in advance and like our home resort, so the availability thing doesn't bug me - but I do wish DVC would give priority on room requests to members staying in the room. I'm one of those who almost never gets any request I made met, and I'll admit it sort of peeves me when I got stuck in an undesirable room and a renter staying at the same time posts about their "incredible" room. Maybe that makes me a member snob, but its one of the benefits I would like for having made the commitment.

 

[yitbos96bb]

What kind of requests? Like a specific resort or like a specific room (such as BWV Boardwalk View or SSR DTD View?

I agree I think a change would be minor. And I can see a little annoyance... I am spending the first night of my December trip at OKW instead of all of it at BCV. BLT was all booked, but they had Boardwalk Preferred View and BCV available of the ones I checked. I have never stayed at OKW, but I hear it is nice... I'd just prefer not to have to move after 1 day. Hopefully the waitlist will come through, although with the first two weeks of December fairly popular among DVC and the Podcast cruise containing many DVCers, I'm not holding my breath on it.

So what do you suggest as far as members having priority over non members staying... Have it so if you are making ressies for people other than your self, have the window at 6 months or something like that? Curious to hear your thoughts.

Probably, but maybe more points wouldn't be used at all and would expire, giving other members more breakage income and freeing up availability for non-owners. Certainly there would be changes in the usage profile if renting didn't happen - how significant those changes would be - I'd think they'd be pretty minor myself - but that isn't the emotional response people have when they are trying to reserve a non-home resort in early December and its all booked up - but someone else has rented points for where they want to stay.

I don't really care about renters - I think owners are just as likely to trash rooms and I don't know an owner from renter by looking at them, being able to rent my points is a nice perk if I ever get in a bind, we almost always plan a year in advance and like our home resort, so the availability thing doesn't bug me - but I do wish DVC would give priority on room requests to members staying in the room. I'm one of those who almost never gets any request I made met, and I'll admit it sort of peeves me when I got stuck in an undesirable room and a renter staying at the same time posts about their "incredible" room. Maybe that makes me a member snob, but its one of the benefits I would like for having made the commitment.

 

[Malaguti Ball Clan]

NO MORE RENTERS.....oh, wait...We rented last year, then bought at AKV because of it and check out my banner...not bad for a guy who was a lowly "renter" last year... in case anyone is wondering what to get me for Christmas this year, I wear a an AKV size large...Enjoy you trip OP, it may just change your life.....it did for me....

 

[crisi]

What kind of requests? Like a specific resort or like a specific room (such as BWV Boardwalk View or SSR DTD View?

Boardwalk View is a booking category, not a request - so not those. But things like "top floor, Crest of the Wave" or "Village Green" - there are very few of those rooms. And since SSR doesn't have booking categories (that I know of) - yeah, any view request at SSR.

So what do you suggest as far as members having priority over non members staying... Have it so if you are making ressies for people other than your self, have the window at 6 months or something like that? Curious to hear your thoughts.

Your guests would be non-members, they wouldn't get member priority for requests. Members would still be able to book their points for their guests/renters 11 months out, but all the view requests would be lower priority than any member making a view request.

 

[DisDaydreamer]

I just don't like the idea that I might not be able to get a reservation if someone has renters before the 7-month window such that the renter actually has a better shot than I do at getting the dates/unit that I want just because I own at a different resort.

Caroline

I understand your pain, but if the owner were to make ressies for themselves you would be in the same boat. Their points, their choice. Either way, if you want an advantage at a resort you have to buy it. No flaming, just the way it is.

 

[CarolMN]

......So what do you suggest as far as members having priority over non members staying... Have it so if you are making ressies for people other than your self, have the window at 6 months or something like that? Curious to hear your thoughts.

I agree with crisi, and would even go farther -

I'd like to see requests not considered at all unless the member is staying in the room AND is staying at a home resort using ONLY home resort points. Everyone else would just get "run of the house" assignments - i.e., where ever the room assigner can fit them in. There would need to be exceptions for those who need HA accommodations, of course.

I'm sure very few members, if any at all, will agree with me. I just think that those who pay the dues at a particular resort should get a few more perks when they stay there (than those who do not own there).

FWIW, I do not think someone who books at 7 months should have priority for either reservations or requests over a renter whose reservation was booked prior to the 7 month window. JMHO. YMMV and that's OK.