What are your thoughts on on-line classes?

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I've been teaching for over 30 years, and we are currently being led by a superintendent who, if he has his way, will replace upper level classes, ie, Spanish IV and V, AP English, Family and Consumer Science classes, and anything else he can, with on-line classes. Because they are cost effective, his board supports him in this effort. I tend to see only the down side. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this. Personally, I've done some distance learning courses but only as enrichment, not towards any degrees I've earned. In most cases, I felt the lack of give and take with classmates and instructors detracted from the educational experience. I felt it was a lot of read or watch this, answer this and send it in. You'll get your grade in 6 weeks. Eight if you want it corrected with comments....
 
I've been teaching for over 30 years, and we are currently being led by a superintendent who, if he has his way, will replace upper level classes, ie, Spanish IV and V, AP English, Family and Consumer Science classes, and anything else he can, with on-line classes. Because they are cost effective, his board supports him in this effort. I tend to see only the down side. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this. Personally, I've done some distance learning courses but only as enrichment, not towards any degrees I've earned. In most cases, I felt the lack of give and take with classmates and instructors detracted from the educational experience. I felt it was a lot of read or watch this, answer this and send it in. You'll get your grade in 6 weeks. Eight if you want it corrected with comments....

Hmmmm....:scratchin There is good and bad with this. It would be nice if there was an option to do all classes online so you could take other classes in school.

Since some of these are classes are intended for an AP test, not sure how you get away with that?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't you have to file a lesson plan of some sort and get approval from the collegeboard to teach the AP class?

I suppose he could set a precedence, however if his students end up tanking the AP test they probably will not give him approval in the future? (Just reaching there.)

That being said, the whole point of an AP class is that it is intense study so you can get a 5 on the test.

Now things that are not AP, like basic classes, my dd would have loved to breeze through. She is in a "required Missouri class" that is a total blow off and a waste of time.
 
High school on line classes that are done right, do provide the support necessary for students that need it. They should still have a teacher that they can go to for help. I am a fan of on line classes. most students will be taking them in college. so why not learn to be disciplined to do it in high school.
 
My DD has taken 3 classes online and the thing that she disliked is the debate/discussion that can happen with other students in the class.

The funny thing is that in our district it is discouraged for the high school students to take online classes! Any online classes have to be approved by the subject supervisor and that can take weeks! Then the student still has to take the high school midterm & finals - of course this is being re-evaluated by the BOE because of lots of parent complaints.
 

I'm in the minority - I LOVE online classes and have since high school. I like working at my own pace and self-directed learning.

That said, as an educator, they sure as heck aren't for everyone and the rampant cheating that occurs is disturbing. Online classes are good for kids who are highly motivated or confined to their house for a medical or other reasons (traveling, family issues, etc).

For college students, it's the same deal - must be motivated and willing. Otherwise, disaster!

I am taking graduate classes online through an accredited local FL university; the program is entirely online which is fantastic for me given my success with online classes and because I teach full time.

TL;DR: good for some, terrible for others. Pros and cons for both as with anything!
 
DD took two online classes in HS. She did not do them during the regular school year, but took them during the summer. She likes to keep busy and she likes the online structure. (Spanish 3 and PreCalculus). She ended up with more credits than she needed for graduation and was still able to have a free period her senior year.

Other HS friends had to take some classes online in the school year when the teachers were let go. Latin comes to mind.

Since then, both my kids have taken online classes in college. DD likes it, DS doesn't. He prefers to see a teacher in a classroom setting. DD likes the flexibility.
 
It depends on the quality of the online program and how organized and self-motivated the student is.

In my kids High School in Florida, they are required to take one online class as a graduation requirement. They take them through Florida Virtual School, which is a well run program. I think they can also take dual enrollment classes to meet this requirement and get the college credit as well.
 
I only know of online college classes but do have some reference for that. I think it depends on the student and the teacher. Some are great, others not so much.

DD had some online classes. They were awful for her. She hated them, plus it was too easy to put them off until later. They were boring classes. Read this, put in what you think, then make comments on two other students comments. It only felt like busy work. Just something to say you did something.

On the other hand, DS had some online classes and he did great with them. He doesn't prefer them at all, but has done well with them. Then again, he doesn't mind busy works as much as she does. lol
 
In the effort to graduate college in 3 years,during the summers our daughter has taken 2 online classes at our local community college. Aced them both. One was music appreciation and the other was about art appreciation. Lots of work due to the shortened "semester".

They work well if the student is very self motivated.
 
I agree with the above posts. I think it really depends on the student. I do think this is the way of the future. By the time my kids get to college I think all pre rec's will be online esp for community colleges. I like the idea of being able to do the work when you want to esp if you are working FT and trying to advance your degree.
 
Online classes can be great and they can horrible.

It all depends on the teacher and on the student. Some students do not need to take certain things online; they need that teacher/student/class interaction to really get the objectives being taught.

Its really all dependent on the student and their strengths and weaknesses.

Some students will do fine in any online class.

Not sure how it works in high schools but for college classes, the students must be organized and self motivated.
 
I think it somewhat depends on the class. I took online classes for my masters (all online) and some classes were ok (more theory based classes and ones where the projects were individual) any with group work (common in computer science classes) were a pain.

However that was also a school where there were traditional students so many of the students were all together and there were just a few of us not around. Also at least those I had to work with most were all students that went right from undergrad to grad school and had no job experience in the field at all (which became apparent in a class where we had a real customer from a company outside the school. They had no idea how to get requirements from a non-computer person. They always had professors giving requirements for the project. You can't ask a non-computer person "How much space do you need in your database"... You have to ask "How many students do you have to track this info for" and figure out how much space they need yourself.) They also had much more open schedules and didn't understand that I had a full time job on top of classes so I couldn't be as open to whatever time they might want to meet around their social schedules.

The one on the list you gave that would be the most concerning to me would be upper level spanish. Unless there was a time period that all the students in the school taking these classes got together to discuss the class with no english allowed. I would think higher level language classes would need to in an environment where you actually had to talk to someone.
 
One other thing. Students will only get alot out of the class if they want to. Its VERY easy to cheat in some of those.

Heck even with our tests proctored since they allowed the company to proctor them it was very lax. The proctor would walk out of the room half the time or put us in a random room and just say ok bring it back when done. I could have looked up every answer.
 
op-curious, what is family and consumer science?
 
I've been teaching for over 30 years, and we are currently being led by a superintendent who, if he has his way, will replace upper level classes, ie, Spanish IV and V, AP English, Family and Consumer Science classes, and anything else he can, with on-line classes. Because they are cost effective, his board supports him in this effort. I tend to see only the down side. I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this. Personally, I've done some distance learning courses but only as enrichment, not towards any degrees I've earned. In most cases, I felt the lack of give and take with classmates and instructors detracted from the educational experience. I felt it was a lot of read or watch this, answer this and send it in. You'll get your grade in 6 weeks. Eight if you want it corrected with comments....

We homeschool. At present, my daughter takes her Latin on-line and will begin literature after Labor Day.

They are effective for my daughter as they do include interaction among student and teacher. Both of her classes use Electa.

I will say for some students--they do have to learn chat room
conduct and the teacher had it be an excellent manager of that.

Also--my daughter had to learn her own sense of accountability. Assignments were listed on a website and ALL work is submitted electronically. She loves taking quizzes and tests on line. She also loves the flex schedule. So quizzes and tests are made available but have a deadline and she just has to finish by then.

I have to proctor her tests--so it is parent honor system to make sure she is only using approved materials. She has had to learn to time manage her exams so as not to wait until the last minute. She took a grade hit last year on her midterm because one section that proved to be more difficult than expected waited until noon on deadline day. We had to be somewhere around. 3 and there was no coming back to it later. I had to shut her down when it was time to leave. She would have scored better on that section given that thesis no time limit other than the due date and time, but her poor planning of they did not justify me not meeting other commitments. So she then learned to space it better. (Her Latin tests are lengthy and she no longer waits until deadline day to take them.)

My one complaint is turnaround time on email inquires to her Latin teacher. We have grown accustomed to that and figured out how to ask so that we have plenty of time to get the answer needed on now to proceed.


Don't quote me on this (haha!)--but I think some states and some colleges *may* be leaning towards high school students taking at least one on-line course during their high school career, but I do not recall where I read or heard this.

I think doing an on-line course helps to foster the skill of independent learning. Much different than hopping on a bus and showing up at a building. But the teacher would be wise to utilize the technology to his or her advantage. My daughter gets a full experience with white board (kids can write responses), reading aloud, videos, slides, etc.

However this does not work for everyone. And if it is the only way certain necessary classes can be taken, it will be a problem for students. Not all homes have computer and of those that do--they may not be current enough to be able to access the classes.

Also, this only works with high speed internet. I have a friend who would love her kids to take on-line classes, but they are I a pocket in a rural area that Comcast refuses to serve unless all neighbors are in for it. And she has a couple of neighbors who are else and do not use that internet stuff. I would be curious of when an on-line class is required, how do they accommodate those without adequate access to be able to take an on-line class.

So some students will be disenfranchised from the opportunity.

But for our family--we love it!
 
My district has done this. They don't offer any of the AP advanced classes taught traditionally. We also have a system in place where any high school student can take on line any class that is offered in any other district in NC. We live in a poor county so we don't have the budget for teachers like the bigger cities.

There might be 15 kids in the room taking 15 different classes.

For my daughter it's perfect. She can take the classes she needs and not have to deal with lots of interruptions. Her school has a lot of discipline issues. I realize that it's not for everyone but we can't wait to get her into on line stuff.

My school system like to try to encourage the right students to take classes at our local Community College. It's a really god one. Motivated students can graduate HS with 2 years of college behind them. I am not a fan of that. I don't want to rush my daughters experience. I would rather her take advanced on line classes than head to a local college.

Lisa
 
I feel like a Luddite, but I don't like them. I'm glad that online schools are available to kids who cannot attend traditional schools for one reason or another. However, streaming advanced courses just seems like school districts "off-shoring" the classes to the Internet. I know in many cases that's the best they can do with their funding but I still don't think it's a good or positive thing.
 

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