What Are Your Thoughts About the Life and Death of Michael Jackson?

[brunette8706]

Neither Jordan Chandler or Gavin Arvizo have come forward and said they lied. That story is an internet rumor that was fueled by the British Tabloids.

I don't care if you think Jackson was innocent. But no one came forward and admitted lies. Check your sources.

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I did check my sources. Why are you so bent on demonizing him when there wasn't any "factual" evidence of this? Yes, he slept in the same bed with kids. I agree it's not normal, but MJ was an eccentric man. He was very troubled and I do NOT believe he molested any child. You can not prove otherwise. LIke I said in an earlier post and I will say again, the kids mother was charged on welfare fraud and shoplifting at JC Penny's. Real upstanding citizens right?

Here's one of my sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

 

[Sandy321]

I was apologising for my bluntness. In my opinion, there is nothing alleged about it. Based on his own statements and actions, I have no doubts he was a pedophile.

he gave kids "Jesus" juice (aka alcohol in a Pepsi can)

he paid millions of dollars to families - he found dysfunctional families etc etc - all documented - they knew Jackson's private parts - described them and Jackson had to drop his trousers in chambers - to me it is horrifically sad how he targeted some of these kids - they were poor families - and to have a superstar like Jackson to be in their lives - just sad!

pedophile.

and I believe he was abused by his father - and Jackson's voice high pitched wonder if there was anything done to him when he was a child to try and keep his voice "young"

 

[RadioNate]

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I did check my sources. Why are you so bent on demonizing him when there wasn't any "factual" evidence of this? Yes, he slept in the same bed with kids. I agree it's not normal, but MJ was an eccentric man. He was very troubled and I do NOT believe he molested any child. You can not prove otherwise. LIke I said in an earlier post and I will say again, the kids mother was charged on welfare fraud and shoplifting at JC Penny's. Real upstanding citizens right?

Here's one of my sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson

Oh yes, wikipedia, that ANYONE can edit...that is factual.

I'm not "hell bent" on demonizing him. Read earlier in this thread where I stated my opinion on him, as a whole. I could ask you why you are hell bent on glorifying him??? Lies or not these were KIDS. Kids he admitting to sharing a bed with. Molestation or not that is NOT normal or appropriate. Period. Jackson himself admitted that he did that. I never called Jackson a molester and I'm not prepared to call Chandler or Arvizo liars either.

Thing CAN be grey. Jackson can both be a musical genius who was a biggest pop star to date and troubled individual that had inappropriate relationships with children.

 

[brunette8706]

I could ask you why you are hell bent on glorifying him??? Lies or not these were KIDS. Kids he admitting to sharing a bed with. Molestation or not that is NOT normal or appropriate.

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I'm not "bent" on glorifying him. I just don't want to "JUDGE" anyone. We don't know what really happened. I agree it is not normal behavior and I have repeatedly said that. Heck MJ wasn't normal. I truly believe though, he was troubled and eccentric. He didn't think he was doing anything wrong by sleeping in the same bed with all these kids. To you and I it's not appropriate. But I don't think he hurt anyone of them, in my opinion. I can tell you though, that the kids mother/father were charged with welfare fraud and shop lifting at JC Penny, that in my humble opinion gives me quite a few red flags. If they're going to shoplift and commit welfare fraud why not get a few bucks from MJ?

 

[moon]

I never thought he was a "musical genius" and still don't. I think he did amazing things regarding dance and revolutonized the music video (along with Madonna)

I think he was a deeply troubled person. I've heard of how he was robbed of his childhood and I agree. But I don't know if that could have made him "childlike" forever. I think that notion could only fly in places like America, where child labor has a many restrictions.

But in third world countries back-breaking child labor is common, and I've met several people who grew up truly without any childhood. If anything, these people seemed more mature, no less than the average.

He had a lot of chances and resources to seek help, sadly, he didn't. I think it's tragic the way he mutilated himself

Lastly, I don't have any children, but if I did, I wouldn't want them to grow up thinking that a grown man asking for sleep overs -in the same bed, no less- is acceptable in any way, shape or form. That's is the thing that I find most disturbing of all. That such a completely innapropiate action is being justified as a quirk, or some "eccentric behaviour by a genius"

The safety of kids should always come first, and I wonder if there are any laws protecting them from such bizarre sleepovers now that there are so many seem to think that it is a strage practice, but not necesarily wrong -at least that's seems to be the view of many since MJ did it.

 

[Snoopymom]

For anyone who has been abused, I think it has been a long and difficult week to be reminded of it every 2 seconds.

I wish I knew for sure if he was guilty or not.

I want to believe he was the kind of person and father the nurse Gretta interviewed, portrayed him as.

I wonder why someone with all the resources in the world wouldn't have tried to get help for his drug addiction, at least for his children if he was such a caring father.

I think his performances were amazing, so confident, passionate and powerful.

His singing and song writing was so expressive and worldly.

I wonder why we expect or want artists to be role models.

From the comments made at the memorial, I'm wondering if his family is blaming the media and the people who supposedly took advantage of him, for his way of life and for his death.

I don't understand why race is a factor now. It sure wasn't when Thriller came out and my entire white high school was listening to it.

I also wonder why I've taken the time to listen to the youtubes, watch the interviews, and why I've put this much thought into it all

 

[Luv2Scrap]

I thought he was very strange in the latter part of his life, definitely inappropriate, and even a bit creepy. I haven't forgotten about that side of him. But I never did feel that he was guilty of the things he was accused of. I haven't been a huge fan forever, but I do like his music, and watching him perform was sort of magical!

As I said in the previous paragraph, I really don't believe he was a child molester. Inappropriate, yes. He should have never been sleeping in the same bed as those children! But I don't think it went any farther than that, because I think his mentality at the time was on the same level as those boys. I don't think he was even aware just how inappropriate his actions were. Even after he was told, I doubt he actually comprehended it.

Unfortunately, I think the fact that he was tragically robbed of his childhood probably was a contributing factor to a lot of his musical genius that we appreciate today. But I now wonder... between his struggles with coming to terms with that, and more importantly, his dealings with the child molestation accusations, the subsequent court battles and unrelenting negative press.... how much Michael Jackson music did we miss out on? How many more hits might he have released if his life wasn't in such turmoil, if he hadn't gotten hooked on drugs, and if he didn't have so many demons haunting him?

I've recently heard that there was a whole library of unreleased material found after his death. I think it will be interesting to see what is released in the coming years.

 

[aristocatz]

My feeling was that he was a very talented entertainer and a sad and tortured soul.

I hope he is resting in peace and that his family finds peace and comfort in the knowledge that he is at rest.

Agreed. I think his brother summed up how I feel at the memorial when he said "I hope everyone will leave him alone now."

 

[aristocatz]

I thought he was very strange in the latter part of his life, definitely inappropriate, and even a bit creepy. I haven't forgotten about that side of him. But I never did feel that he was guilty of the things he was accused of. I haven't been a huge fan forever, but I do like his music, and watching him perform was sort of magical!

As I said in the previous paragraph, I really don't believe he was a child molester. Inappropriate, yes. He should have never been sleeping in the same bed as those children! But I don't think it went any farther than that, because I think his mentality at the time was on the same level as those boys. I don't think he was even aware just how inappropriate his actions were. Even after he was told, I doubt he actually comprehended it.

Unfortunately, I think the fact that he was tragically robbed of his childhood probably was a contributing factor to a lot of his musical genius that we appreciate today. But I now wonder... between his struggles with coming to terms with that, and more importantly, his dealings with the child molestation accusations, the subsequent court battles and unrelenting negative press.... how much Michael Jackson music did we miss out on? How many more hits might he have released if his life wasn't in such turmoil, if he hadn't gotten hooked on drugs, and if he didn't have so many demons haunting him?

I've recently heard that there was a whole library of unreleased material found after his death. I think it will be interesting to see what is released in the coming years.

I agree with your comments as well. That is an interesting "What if" question that I wonder myself.

I did not know that there was so much unreleased material-I hope they decide to release some of it!

 

[GothTink]

While I feel bad for his kids and family, I don't really have any feelings about Michael's death.

I am, however, sick of people praising him now that he's dead. jmho

 

[Philagoofy]

It's sad when anyone dies prematurely.

I didn't particularly like his music or entertaining. I personally don't think he was extraordinarily talented compaired to many musicians of his generation. So I have a hard time relating to a lot of the gnashing of teeth about a loss of a genius.

I think he was deeply emotionally and psychologically disturbed. His childhood must have been stressful and bizarre.

This is how I feel.

I will admit that I don't really know that much about him. I see that alot of people think of him as a musical genius. Was he also good businesswise/financially? He bought the rights to the Lennon/McCartney songbook, that was a great investment but then I think he lost his Neverland ranch. I'm wondering, if he was a musical genius and if he was savvy in business (I'm not saying that he was - I don't know), how could his mentality be considered to be that of a little boy? He was a grown man, an adult. Yes, many people probably, at times, do things that aren't typically age-related (look around WDW at the goofy hats people wear, etc) but it's not inappropriate behavior.

I wonder if the same people who had and would have let their 8-10 year old children sleep with him would also let them sleep with a man who was a family friend or an uncle or cousin.

 

[teacups]

I think he was a beautiful little child who was given a gift from God.
I think he was an innocent who got screwed by most anyone and everyone who touched him. And I think that took its toll, along with his childhood mental, emotional and physical abuse. I dont think he was tough enough for what dad handed out. I think until he got those children he felt alone. I think he was a loving daddy. I dont think he molested those boys. But I am not the one who will ever know. I hope he has made his peace with His Maker and that he can finally take a walk in a garden without getting mobbed.
And I think it is a sad day when people bash someone for something they really have no idea if he did or not.
I hope those people stop for just one minute and say "What if he didn't?"
I hope he is at peace now, and I hope people come together to watch out for his kids. If there is a way to look back form the beyond, I'm sure the only thing he cares about now is his children.

 

[SeansMom]

Teacups: "I dont think he was tough enough for what dad handed out."

I so agree with this statement. I think he was a very sensitive person, and the weight of fame and the hounding of the paparazzi took such a major toll.

The interview with Nurse Greta was interesting. As a nurse, I think she was right on with part of what she tried. It's too bad he didn't follow her advice; the tests she suggested he have performed were good, not to mention other advice, like getting rid of the caffeine. The nutriotinal sutff..eh. But it did also seems that M.J. might have had an anxiety disorder (getting upset about not sleeping well, hoarding, face mask, kids in masks.) As the interview progresses and she is talking about the interaction at Father's day, and the statement about "half my body feels hot and half my body feels cold." I thought, "There's his wake-up call...and he missed it." If he'd listened to her and gone to the hospital he'd most likely be alive today. So, so sad. He made a choice not to listen.

For me, and many of my friends, M.J. was a backdrop to our college years and our lives. For that era, his music and music videos were genius. It's hard to verbalize how I feel about it. Sad, of course, but there is more, I think that his death was unnecessary and tragic.

I hope he has found the peace in death that seemed to elude him in life.

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

For those who say MJ never molested anyone----how do you know that?

Were you there?

Or is it just because you liked his music/dancing so much that you know he must be a complete sweetie poo and he would never hurt anyone?

Sorry, but this just drives me crazy-----this belief that celebrities do no wrong and that people just somehow "know" they would not do a bad thing. The world would be a better place if people would quite buying into celebrity public images that are complete fictions and are manufactured by PR agents/record companies/movie studios in order to generate sales.

 

[Skywalker]

I think it is incredibly sad. I do believe he was a gentle and sensitive soul who many tried to take advantage of.

I think the way the media treated him was disgusting...we teach our children that bullying in schools is so wrong and yet so many people laughed along as the media mocked him.

Anyway he certainly knew he was loved worldwide and by his children and family. I'd like to think maybe he wasn't as entirely tortured as he seemed, and that maybe he could look back and say he had a pretty good life.

 

[disneyworldluvr349]

For those who say MJ never molested anyone----how do you know that?

Were you there?

Or is it just because you liked his music/dancing so much that you know he must be a complete sweetie poo and he would never hurt anyone?

Sorry, but this just drives me crazy-----this belief that celebrities do no wrong and that people just somehow "know" they would not do a bad thing. The world would be a better place if people would quite buying into celebrity public images that are complete fictions and are manufactured by PR agents/record companies/movie studios in order to generate sales.

And then I ask you right back, how do you know if he didn't?

I think he is a "sweetie poo" because he was. I watched him in his interviews, I have seen the way he acted, the things he enjoyed.
He gave everything he had to his fans. Everything, his music, and his heart.
Plus he donated more money to charity than any other celebrity.

He was always a child. He treated his children the way he wished his father had treated him, but he made sure that they weren't spoiled bratz.

I miss him, and his music, he most certainly has "Gone To Soon."

 

[The Mayor]

My thoughts are there is one less pedophile roaming the earth.

 

[teacups]

My thoughts are there is one less pedophile roaming the earth.

If I knew he was a pedo I'd agree with you. I think those families scammed him for money though. I dont think there was any molestation at all. I'll say again though, I dont know. I wasnt there.

May God help which ever is lying.

 

[teacups]

And then I ask you right back, how do you know if he didn't?

I think he is a "sweetie poo" because he was. I watched him in his interviews, I have seen the way he acted, the things he enjoyed.
He gave everything he had to his fans. Everything, his music, and his heart.
Plus he donated more money to charity than any other celebrity.

He was always a child. He treated his children the way he wished his father had treated him, but he made sure that they weren't spoiled bratz.

I miss him, and his music, he most certainly has "Gone To Soon."

.. and what about those poeple who think a parent who charged someone millions to hang out with thier kid is innocent? Oh good grief! Oh yea, those are TOTALLY honest parents. They'd NEVER make up a story to cash in. Geez, dont be so bought and paid for. THINK ABOUT IT.

 

[Feralpeg]

They had a very brief blurb about two of the boys that accused MJ of inappropriate touching on one of the late night programs. The one kid is living in his multi-million dollar mansion. He declined to comment on MJ's death. They had a film of the othr boy watching the MJ memorial service. He was sitting in front of a tv. He appeared to be eating popcorn or chips of some kind. He certainly didn't appear traumatized. Maybe it is just me, but I would think that I would not be able to watch something about someone who had done something terrible to me. He also refused to comment.

I don't know if anything happened to these kids. None of us will ever know the real story. Speculation is just that. No proof.