Well, we can sure tell the school season has started again.....Update, page 8 # 143

[Dan Murphy]

.....as has the school shooting season. Heinous!!!! Sad!!!!

Let's all do thoughts and prayers, again, that's always worked in the past. At least 4 killed, 30 injured (not sure if injuries are all gunshots injuries)

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/04/us/winder-ga-shooting-apalachee-high-school/index.html


https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/ma...ool-barrow-county/S3LVRPI5DRFPFIFP4O7WXE3VOE/



ETA.......Adding names and faces of real people, victims, to the OP




Richard Aspinwall-math teacher
Christina Irimie-math teacher
Mason Schermerhorn-14 year old student
Christian Angulo-14 year old student

 

[TippyThomas]

Not sure what to even say anymore...

 

[Minnesota!]

I have no words. Absolutely heinous, terrifying, and yet the people-in-power see no issues to be solved.

 

[bdrex28]

Again another terrible tragedy.

What the heck is going on with these of school age who feel they need to get a gun and shoot other people?

When many of us were kids guns were even more openly available with rifles in the back of truck windows on a rack etc, yet rather than shoot up their classmates if there was an issue they'd have a little fist fight and it would be over. Not that I'm condoning fighting at school, but it's a lot better option than shooting everyone up!

Maybe if these kids were forced to spend 2 years in the military they'd learn some discipline and if they were unfortunate enough to have to go to combat they'd see the devastation that can occur.

I seriously blame a lot of this mindset by our youth (it's typically 30 and under it appears) on social media ("like" chasing, comparing to others, feeling isolated and different, etc) and the violence that is so blatant in our video games and movies. I think the youth are numb to it.

I know many say the video games and movies don't matter, but the pure graphic violence in both is shocking. as much as I enjoy Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds if you saw the new Deadpool movie that's a prime example.

Ok, old Marine off soap box. I just hate all this and it angers me to no end.

 

[ChrisFL]

I'd be less worried about video games and movies and more worried about congressmen who SHOOTS things they don't agree with for their campaign ad.......in the same district this school is located in

I'm so sick of people who think they can just SHOOT their way out of situations...like everything can be solved by MORE guns and shootings

 

[Christine]

Again another terrible tragedy.

What the heck is going on with these of school age who feel they need to get a gun and shoot other people?

When many of us were kids guns were even more openly available with rifles in the back of truck windows on a rack etc, yet rather than shoot up their classmates if there was an issue they'd have a little fist fight and it would be over. Not that I'm condoning fighting at school, but it's a lot better option than shooting everyone up!

Maybe if these kids were forced to spend 2 years in the military they'd learn some discipline and if they were unfortunate enough to have to go to combat they'd see the devastation that can occur.

I seriously blame a lot of this mindset by our youth (it's typically 30 and under it appears) on social media ("like" chasing, comparing to others, feeling isolated and different, etc) and the violence that is so blatant in our video games and movies. I think the youth are numb to it.

I know many say the video games and movies don't matter, but the pure graphic violence in both is shocking. as much as I enjoy Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds if you saw the new Deadpool movie that's a prime example.

Ok, old Marine off soap box. I just hate all this and it angers me to no end.

As someone who is up there in age, I have the same questions as you. What has changed that makes it seem okay to shoot up the school. I was raised outside the city but kind of rural area and we had lots of guns/hunters and this did not happen. We had plenty of in-school fights between guys mostly and that happened often enough but no one ever thought to pull out a gun and shoot someone. There was plenty of access.

I agree that there seems to be a vast desensitization to violence caused by probably so many things.

 

[Christine]

I'd be less worried about video games and movies and more worried about congressmen who SHOOTS things they don't agree with for their campaign ad.......in the same district this school is located in

I'm so sick of people who think they can just SHOOT their way out of situations...like everything can be solved by MORE guns and shootings

Putting the Congressman aside, what does it say about the population that votes someone like that into office?

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Move along, nothing to see here. More guns are needed. Ahhh and here comes the first truck full of thoughts and prayers.

in other news.

IMMIGRANTS IMMIGRANTS IMMIGRANTS HAVE TAKEN OVER AN APARTMENT COMPLEX!!!!!

Edit Sorry. Had to edit a lot of the meat out of this post. It's a comment on the state of the news media.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Whoops. Can't post that this board. Sorry. Will put it back once this thread is moved.

 

[rangerxenos]

Just another day in gun happy America.

 

[wallawallakids]

Terrible. I don't understand what will bring about change. We see this every single year. In all of my years as a parent, every morning I have dropped my kids off, I have sadly always had this thought in the back of my head. It is insane that we are keep doing the same things over and over and nothing ever changes. Those poor kids and families. I am so angry that our government does nothing to help stop this.

 

[Dan Murphy]

A bit of an update. 9 of the 30 or so injured rushed to hospitals, at least one airlifted. Shooter seems to be 14 years old.

 

[disneydreamer1980]

I’m scared to send my kids to school. It’s so sad that my third grader has to have school shooter drills at school.

 

[fla4fun]

Again another terrible tragedy.

What the heck is going on with these of school age who feel they need to get a gun and shoot other people?

When many of us were kids guns were even more openly available with rifles in the back of truck windows on a rack etc, yet rather than shoot up their classmates if there was an issue they'd have a little fist fight and it would be over. Not that I'm condoning fighting at school, but it's a lot better option than shooting everyone up!

Maybe if these kids were forced to spend 2 years in the military they'd learn some discipline and if they were unfortunate enough to have to go to combat they'd see the devastation that can occur.

I seriously blame a lot of this mindset by our youth (it's typically 30 and under it appears) on social media ("like" chasing, comparing to others, feeling isolated and different, etc) and the violence that is so blatant in our video games and movies. I think the youth are numb to it.

I know many say the video games and movies don't matter, but the pure graphic violence in both is shocking. as much as I enjoy Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds if you saw the new Deadpool movie that's a prime example.

Ok, old Marine off soap box. I just hate all this and it angers me to no end.

I am frustrated too.

I look back in time and it just seems like we did not have so many of these attacks before video games and the internet became a thing. Not that either video games or the internet are bad things on their own. They have good sides too. However, when kids used to be bullied in person, it allowed them to fight back in real time (the fist fights) or choose not to respond to the bully. Now it’s bullies hiding behind computer screens, often anonymously and without seeing what their actions are doing to the other child, or allowing the bullied child to find their inner strength by facing down the threat (I was bullied in high school and threatened with a large knife, so I know how it feels to be bullied). Teachers and parents are afraid of the bullies, and leave the victim to deal with it alone. So now the bullied kid is hurt and angry, feels helpless, has few if any people supporting them, and because they have played the ultra realistic video games where they kill day after day with no consequences, that is the first place their mind goes . . . You hurt me, so I will hurt you and the people who didn’t stop you. If they don’t know who the bully is, then it becomes everyone who needs to be punished.

I believe it will take a multi-pronged approach to reduce the violence. Parents and teachers need to start when the kids are young showing them ways to diffuse anger and frustration without lashing out. More needs to be done to identify children with mental health issues and get them treatment before they get to the point that they feel violence is their only choice. Parents need to keep any weapons locked up securely so children don’t have access. There are so many small things that can add up to substantial change, if only people were willing to put in the work. At this time, most people want the easy way out, and that is failing our kids and society at large. It frustrates me that everyone seems so obsessed with picking sides and blaming others that no one is stepping back and taking any action to stop the violence. Everyone needs to do their part if it’s going to change.

I would have never thought about taking my father’s or grandfather’s gun for any purpose, let alone to get revenge on my schoolmates or teachers. Not that I could have. They were locked up and the keys were secured as well. We knew what guns could do and what they were appropriate to be used for. I never even held a gun until I went to a gun range ten years ago, and that experience of shooting at the range made me like guns less, not more.

I do feel bad for the victims and their families, but I also feel angry and frustrated on their behalf. This needs to stop now! School should be a safe place, not a scary one.

 

[HopperFan]

30 miles from me. My kid is a high school teacher and coach (not there but likely knows the coaches).

I am just physically and emotionally disgusted by the "powers that be" that simply don't care at all about our children.

 

[Smugpugmug]

NGL I thought this thread was going to be about how kids are already sick with Covid or some other illness but this is way worse...

Thoughts and prayers, amirite?

 

[bdrex28]

So many people try to make this a political thing. See multiple posts above tying it to politics.

It's not. Not a single politician for ANY party wants kids or others shooting people.

the problem is greater than the guns, I think it's the kids and their parents in many cases. It's OK to check your kids phone, it's OK to check their internet usage and see what they are doing. it's OK to check their social media. It's OK to ask your kid how they are. They are not entitled to the privacy as kids, IMO.

No one ever wants to address it, they want to blame guns or politics.

Another example: a young woman being beaten by her boyfriend. People are around. Do they help? Nope, they video it and post it to their social media. Seriously? Help them, quit videoing and help. have compassion for others, help those who need it.

But maybe it's time we rip off the band-aid.

It's Parents, It's the kids and it's some kind of value placed on other human beings that isn't being placed today.

If we find out why that has happened then we figure out how to stop it.

There have been shootings at schools going back 100 years, but it's the uptick and a change in these that has been something in the past 30 that's different.

Now, I am all for greater gun control and background checks and refusal to guns for mental health reasons you name it.

But it's not just the guns. It's time to look at more than that and it's time to quit passing the buck.

I'm sorry I'm all over the place on this, I just get tired of the same ole stories.

 

[ChrisFL]

It's not. Not a single politician for ANY party wants kids or others shooting people.

They sure don't act like it.

 

[Christine]

So many people try to make this a political thing. See multiple posts above tying it to politics.

It's not. Not a single politician for ANY party wants kids or others shooting people.

the problem is greater than the guns, I think it's the kids and their parents in many cases. It's OK to check your kids phone, it's OK to check their internet usage and see what they are doing. it's OK to check their social media. It's OK to ask your kid how they are. They are not entitled to the privacy as kids, IMO.

No one ever wants to address it, they want to blame guns or politics.

Another example: a young woman being beaten by her boyfriend. People are around. Do they help? Nope, they video it and post it to their social media. Seriously? Help them, quit videoing and help. have compassion for others, help those who need it.

But maybe it's time we rip off the band-aid.

It's Parents, It's the kids and it's some kind of value placed on other human beings that isn't being placed today.

If we find out why that has happened then we figure out how to stop it.

There have been shootings at schools going back 100 years, but it's the uptick and a change in these that has been something in the past 30 that's different.

Now, I am all for greater gun control and background checks and refusal to guns for mental health reasons you name it.

But it's not just the guns. It's time to look at more than that and it's time to quit passing the buck.

I'm sorry I'm all over the place on this, I just get tired of the same ole stories.

I think several of us agree with you and related our stories of growing up with guns and not having these issues. My father was a police officer and I always knew where his guns were. My uncles were hunters--lots of guns and we had access back then (it was the 60s and the 70s--things were much looser, lol!). It just never occurred to most of us to shoot up our schools. We had bullies, we were bullied, we had rumbles/fist fights, you name it. Drugs, alchohol. But we never shot each other nor even considered it.

I'm just not sure what the mental shift was for this. Likely not one thing but many. Gratuitious violence being shown to kids, social media, more pervasive bullying, society never stepping in to help (we've lost our "village"), and increasing mental illness in children the likes I've never seen 50 years ago.

 

[jimmymc]

Another example of the US valuing guns more than children! And people wonder why millennials and Gen Z aren't having as many kids.