We need a Bachelorette thread!

[mgsquared]

WHAT show were YOU watching????

The same one!!! Look at them!!!

I should maybe note I am a counselor and pay tons of attention to facial expressions and body language. Words are cheap.

 

[Pugsly]

....the one with the rippling muscles underneath? No, I hadn't noticed....

:rofl: That would be the one!

The jacket was too small/tight and I thought he was going to pull a Superman there (and bust straight out of it!). Not that I would've complained or anything.

 

[Pugsly]

When Andi was talking in the men tell all hubby and I we're yelling "bull!!!" At the TV. ... I don't know why she lied in the men tell all. To protect Josh I guess. It was quite mean how she talked though and ...

I obviously didn't pay enough attention to the Men Tell All show. Curious as to what she said that you and your hubby called bull on.

What did you think she lied about on the Men Tell All show?

What exactly was mean about what she said (and were the mean words from the Men Tell All show or the finale?)

Not flaming - just curious as to what you're referring to.

 

[Wishing on a star]

I have refrained from posting on this thread all season.
But, I will chime in now.

I was watching the VERY same show the one above poster was watching.
100%
I am big on watching for body language and things that would just be so hard to pull off when scripted.
I saw it very similarly to how this poster saw it.
It was VERY confusing to watch.
But, now, of course, hindsight is 20/20.

She was SCARED of choosing Josh, and was telling herself THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME it 'should' be Nick.

AND, yes, to do what she did, and then refuse to even talk to the man, leaving him no other choice to bring it up on the live show....
I mean, after all of that, she was like "i'm leaving now..." turned on her heel... WOW....
I am with the one FOX commentator who called her the big four letter word that starts with an 'S'.

Why is okay for her to do what she did, and NOT okay for Nick to question it?????
Seriously. I am like, what alternate planet are most folks from????? OMG..... What flipping alternate planet...
(Maybe for women, it just ALWAYS has to be the man at fault, and sisters have to defend other sisters, no matter what????)

Having said all of that.... I think a LOT of what we saw was scripted and edited 'crap'.

And, the way I think it really may have gone down is.... (Hate to say this Nick...) I think it was experiencing that night with Nick in the fantasy suite that may have been what sent her running back to Josh!!!!

Yep, words NO man wants to hear!!!

But, yes, the whole thing is beyond belief, and Andi has now publicly proven herself to be a huge four letter word that ends with 'S'.

And, as for Josh.... He must like leftovers.

 

[DWGal210]

Is Nick entitled to his feelings about being upset that Andi spent "personal" time with him in the Fantasy Suite and it apparently didn't mean as much to her as it did to him?? Absolutely.

However - does he not understand the point of the Bachelor / Bachelorette and the Fantasy Suite?? Did Nick think Andi would spend the night with JUST him, and turn down Josh? Did he think she'd play board games all night with Josh or not even invite him to the FS in the first place??

Also - if monogamous physical intimacy is your line in the sand, and is important to you - perhaps the Bachelor/Bachelorette isn't the "journey" for you.

 

[shortbun]

The same one!!! Look at them!!!

I should maybe note I am a counselor and pay tons of attention to facial expressions and body language. Words are cheap.

I've watched them on several shows now and he can't keep his hands off her. She leans in to him, looks up into his eyes and they laugh together. They have admitted to already starting plans for their wedding while many other bachelor/bachlorette couples look like deer in the headlights when it's mentioned. I think they have as much chance to make it as any other couple. They've already spent lots of time together because their apartments are 5 minutes apart.

 

[nanajoyx2]

How many Bachelorettes have there been? Andi is not the first to spend the night in the Fantasy Suite with more than one guy. And the same goes for the Bachelors. So why is she being singled out as a s---? Not a very smart move for a woman to make on national TV to be seen by her family and future in-laws, but still she is not the first to do this. But, I believe, Nick is the first loser to act so childish to humiliate the person he is professing to love with all his heart. He loves himself so much that he cannot comprehend why his love wasn't reciprocated. Conceit personified! The other guys couldn't stand him. His arrogance was a definite turn off all season.

Now about Josh's horrible suit. The jacket was too fitted for his torso and the pant legs were pencil thin. Very Hollywood! I noticed the same thing at the Oscars TV show. I believe Sean's pants fit the same way. Possibly not the guys fault. Stylists make plenty of mistakes.

Do I think they will make it? Not sure nor do I really care. But I do think Josh is adorable!

 

[mgsquared]

I have refrained from posting on this thread all season.
But, I will chime in now.

I was watching the VERY same show the one above poster was watching.
100%
I am big on watching for body language and things that would just be so hard to pull off when scripted.
I saw it very similarly to how this poster saw it.
It was VERY confusing to watch.
But, now, of course, hindsight is 20/20.

She was SCARED of choosing Josh, and was telling herself THE WHOLE ENTIRE TIME it 'should' be Nick.

And, as for Josh.... He must like leftovers.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. She was reassuring him on their last date. Everything she said when she talked about Nick in the ITM's. I am convinced she did love him and was just scared and went with what she knew (Nick's interpretation and I don't think he was off. She was hesitant about Josh the whole time.

I will say this, I don't think she is the S word. She did lead Nick on but I do think it was because she did mean it and was in love with him. Where it went wrong is after when she was so scared to face and live with her choice (why? Why? If you are so sure you made the right call.. why refuse to talk to the person?!), she refused to talk to him and give him closure (which he understandably needed) and she the told him she never loved him. She was so cold and trying so hard to keep a straight face and not show emotion. She very much looked like she was lying IMO.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Thank you! My thoughts exactly. She was reassuring him on their last date. Everything she said when she talked about Nick in the ITM's. I am convinced she did love him and was just scared and went with what she knew (Nick's interpretation and I don't think he was off. She was hesitant about Josh the whole time.

I will say this, I don't think she is the S word. She did lead Nick on but I do think it was because she did mean it and was in love with him. Where it went wrong is after when she was so scared to face and live with her choice (why? Why? If you are so sure you made the right call.. why refuse to talk to the person?!), she refused to talk to him and give him closure (which he understandably needed) and she the told him she never loved him. She was so cold and trying so hard to keep a straight face and not show emotion. She very much looked like she was lying IMO.

Yes, If one can make anything out of that scripted and edited circus.... I do beleive that she was literally, fearfully, keeping Josh at an arms distance... Her body language at the beginning of that date was almost painful to watch.

And, I DO think that she had really, REALLY, been telling herself that 'it is Nick'.

I almost believe that how it went down in that suite could be what sent her RUNNING back to Josh.

But, on the big 'S' word...
I will agree to disagree...
She did what she did...
And then she walked off and handled it in all the wrong and unacceptable ways.
All of that would meet the criteria for that term, IMHO.

And, in my opinion.... many guys with any character and moral compass at all (or even a healthy self respect) would have a huge problem with that scenario.

 

[Robinrs]

The same one!!! Look at them!!!

I should maybe note I am a counselor and pay tons of attention to facial expressions and body language. Words are cheap.

Sorry, you weren't seeing what I was seeing...at all, counselor.

I saw a lust relationship with Nick and a obsessive relationship with Josh. Note she allows Nick to pursue HER and SHE pursued Josh. Nick made her his total obsession aka adoration, which all human beings desire. Otoh, SHE was obsessed with how Josh felt about her because it was a conquest for her. She knew where he was from and who he was related to and she has a THING for jocks. No WAY was she letting the opportunity of a lifetime slip thru her hands. Nope, not gonna happen.

Note, I never said the word "love" because at this point in any relationship, LOVE has nothing to do with it. Love is more than an emotion, it's an verb. No one in these shows knows if they LOVE that person, they're in a competition. They want to, for lack of a better term, WIN. The bachelors were competing against each other for a prize. Note, also, that both men are alpha males who are salesmen. They don't take NO as a stop, it's just an opportunity to truly sell.

To both of them, imho, Andi was the trophy they win or the bonus they receive after the sale. Totally invested emotionally.... I don't buy it with either of them.

The real story begins after the show ends. It's easy to decide on a woman when she's the ONLY woman around. Let's see what happens in the long run, when it becomes REAL.

As for Nick, I work with HIS kind all day long and have for 30 years. He's as slick as oil dung. He knows what to say and how to sell himself better than most people, he must be one heck of a salesman.

But I do agree with one thing you said, words ARE cheap. I don't listen, I observe. The interpretations I come up with are based on my own experience as I'm sure yours are, too. No doubt that's why we see two different things.

Women are a little harder for me to read than men, men are very easy to me, sometimes a little TOO easy. The men in my life HATE it, but it works for me.

 

[Robinrs]

They kept saying that the two of them live 5 mins apart which I find hard to believe since she works for the Fulton County DA's office and he works in Athens. Both or one of them had one HECK of a commute if they live close to each other. Both offices are an hour and a half apart without traffic!

Maybe he worked out of the Buckhead branch or in sales he may work out of his home. Either way I'm willing to bet HE lives intown and I'm sure she does. Most singles in Atlanta do.

 

[asta]

Sorry, you weren't seeing what I was seeing...at all, counselor.

I saw a lust relationship with Nick and a obsessive relationship with Josh. Note she allows Nick to pursue HER and SHE pursued Josh. Nick made her his total obsession aka adoration, which all human beings desire. Otoh, SHE was obsessed with how Josh felt about her because it was a conquest for her. She knew where he was from and who he was related to and she has a THING for jocks. No WAY was she letting the opportunity of a lifetime slip thru her hands. Nope, not gonna happen.

Note, I never said the word "love" because at this point in any relationship, LOVE has nothing to do with it. Love is more than an emotion, it's an verb. No one in these shows knows if they LOVE that person, they're in a competition. They want to, for lack of a better term, WIN. The bachelors were competing against each other for a prize. Note, also, that both men are alpha males who are salesmen. They don't take NO as a stop, it's just an opportunity to truly sell.

To both of them, imho, Andi was the trophy they win or the bonus they receive after the sale. Totally invested emotionally.... I don't buy it with either of them.

The real story begins after the show ends. It's easy to decide on a woman when she's the ONLY woman around. Let's see what happens in the long run, when it becomes REAL.

As for Nick, I work with HIS kind all day long and have for 30 years. He's as slick as oil dung. He knows what to say and how to sell himself better than most people, he must be one heck of a salesman.

But I do agree with one thing you said, words ARE cheap. I don't listen, I observe. The interpretations I come up with are based on my own experience as I'm sure yours are, too. No doubt that's why we see two different things.

Women are a little harder for me to read than men, men are very easy to me, sometimes a little TOO easy. The men in my life HATE it, but it works for me.

I agree. I think we watched the same show.

 

[yoopermom]

I'll go you one better Robin. I think that Andi (whether consciously or subconsciously) thought, "Which guy should I take to the finale that will NOT be a threat to Josh and my relationship with him?" We know the other guys in the house didn't like Nick, he was portrayed (whether through editing or in truth) as a strategic "player" of the "game", he ended up looking like a stalker, etc. So the day after the finale, Andi could tell Josh, "It was you, it was always you, you can't possibly believe I ever liked NICK as much as you" and Josh would believe it. Think if she would have kept Chris instead of Josh, wouldn't Chris have been a much bigger threat?

I'm way too overinvested in this, but I think that this season took manipulation of the viewers to a whole new level....

Terri

 

[iheartdisney]

This is just my inner skeptic, but how do we know that Andi wasn't told not to meet with him- either officially or unofficially, to keep the drama for the finale? After all, if he were allowed to meet with her privately (off camera) what would we all be talking about today?

I haven't watched many seasons so I don't have too much to compare to, but last season Clare pretty much said the same thing to Juan Pablo, something along the lines of "I wouldn't have done what we did if you hadn't made me think I was the one." But it was said in a moment of passion (right when she was getting dumped) and not in front of a live studio audience.

Once last thing to keep in mind, the lead HAS to lead the other person on to an extent. They have to make them think it could be them, that is the whole point of the show!

 

[asta]

I'll go you one better Robin. I think that Andi (whether consciously or subconsciously) thought, "Which guy should I take to the finale that will NOT be a threat to Josh and my relationship with him?" We know the other guys in the house didn't like Nick, he was portrayed (whether through editing or in truth) as a strategic "player" of the "game", he ended up looking like a stalker, etc. So the day after the finale, Andi could tell Josh, "It was you, it was always you, you can't possibly believe I ever liked NICK as much as you" and Josh would believe it. Think if she would have kept Chris instead of Josh, wouldn't Chris have been a much bigger threat?

I'm way too overinvested in this, but I think that this season took manipulation of the viewers to a whole new level....

Terri

That was what I thought from my limited viewing. I did not watch the first part of the season closely but I thought all along that there must have been someone better than Nick. We were prejudiced by the UGA connection but everyone here was in the Josh camp from the beginning. We never thought anyone else had a chance.

 

[Robinrs]

I agree. I think we watched the same show.

I'll go you one better Robin. I think that Andi (whether consciously or subconsciously) thought, "Which guy should I take to the finale that will NOT be a threat to Josh and my relationship with him?" We know the other guys in the house didn't like Nick, he was portrayed (whether through editing or in truth) as a strategic "player" of the "game", he ended up looking like a stalker, etc. So the day after the finale, Andi could tell Josh, "It was you, it was always you, you can't possibly believe I ever liked NICK as much as you" and Josh would believe it. Think if she would have kept Chris instead of Josh, wouldn't Chris have been a much bigger threat?

I'm way too overinvested in this, but I think that this season took manipulation of the viewers to a whole new level....

Terri

Totally agree. She always knew it would be Josh

This is just my inner skeptic, but how do we know that Andi wasn't told not to meet with him- either officially or unofficially, to keep the drama for the finale? After all, if he were allowed to meet with her privately (off camera) what would we all be talking about today?

I haven't watched many seasons so I don't have too much to compare to, but last season Clare pretty much said the same thing to Juan Pablo, something along the lines of "I wouldn't have done what we did if you hadn't made me think I was the one." But it was said in a moment of passion (right when she was getting dumped) and not in front of a live studio audience.

Once last thing to keep in mind, the lead HAS to lead the other person on to an extent. They have to make them think it could be them, that is the whole point of the show!

 

[Kirby]

I'm glad she chose Josh. I really couldn't see her with anyone else. The week that she had the one on ones with Josh and Marcus, she would lean in and kiss Josh, not wait for him to kiss her. That's when I knew that it was probably him.

Nick has problems. I can't see him as the next Bachelor. I think that that would be more trouble then it's worth.

As for Chris, he seems like a nice enough guy. Not my type, couldn't get past his teeth. Could be the next Bachelor. I don't think they will have any trouble finding girls that would marry him. The first one for the show should be the girl from Canada that had the speed date with him.

I don't think that Marquel or Marcus will be the next Bachelor, not after a stint on the new show.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Ohhhh, yes, you guys are right about Nick and Josh....
From point one, Nick was so obsessive... OMG!!!
Hated everything about Nick from point one.
Did not see what ANY woman would see in him.

And, as for Josh..
Well, hey, he is who he is, that is just obvious.

BUT, to those of us who are seeing things so differently....
If you are so sure that Andi knew all along that it was Josh, then that even more proves my viewpoint.... Who is just 'so in love with THE ONE', and sleeps with another guy, the night before?????

You really can't tell anything on these shows, because they are all scripted drama, and NOT 'reality'. But I feel like me and this other poster are the ones who are closer to being on the right track.

Sorry, but I still think that there is a lot more to this.
Sure, everybody know that Josh was a biggie right from the beginning.
Nobody is denying that.... But....

And nobody can change my mind that any person, who, under any circumstances, would do what Andi did, deserves any negative name that applies.

 

[pkondz]

Also - if monogamous physical intimacy is your line in the sand, and is important to you - perhaps the Bachelor/Bachelorette isn't the "journey" for you.

<applause>

As for Nick, I work with HIS kind all day long and have for 30 years. He's as slick as oil dung.

Oil dung?
What the heck is oil dung?

 

[shortbun]

You know what's cool? I've watched Andi and Josh on several daytime shows. Only one show, not one they were on, brought up Nick's bad manners. That was The View. Even they easily came to a consensus that a good man wouldn't ever kiss and tell like that. It was obvious he planned it and The Bachelor could have edited it. I also blame The Bachelor for allowing Andi to get insulted and Nick to get cheap revenge.