"We don't need no stinking badges"!.... unless you live in Iran?

[sodaseller]

It isn't even mostly true, at least as stated. The long held founding myth is that all displacement was requested by invading armies and was by choice. That's not even true for most. What is true is that there are a lot of cirumstances which show Arab culpability and limit Jewish culpability in creating the circumstances, as opposed to a simple order of "transfer" from DBG, etc. But it still is what it is - significant transfers by force. That's true.

The piece I responded to was a fairly one sided propaganda piece. As I said, I could argue with each point in there, but I wan't looking for an argument, just the need to correct one egregious misstatement. Then I took a cheap shot about the Protocols.

It is easily possible to make a pretty damning case the other way without one misstatement if one elects to remove context, which is always necessary for historical judgment. But I am not looking to put together a hatchet piece either way, and to the extent I have biases in reviewing the facts, they will all be pro-Israeli. But it is not true to suggest that the initial line I disagreed with is mostly accurate. It's not. That doesn't mean Israel is illegitimate as is often suggested; it does suggest that there is an original sin in creation that must be atoned for, much like this nation. I think the atonement has been taking place for the last 16 years (at least since Madrid), but atonement it is

 

[Mugg Mann]

Are you saying people like you and others who don't support the war are giving confidence for despots? If you really think so, perhaps you and others should wake up, repent, and support our troops in full -- including the mission of course!.

Are John McCain, Chuck Hagel, Colin Powell, Susan Collins, John Warner, and dozens of other GOP political leaders weak and unpatriotic because they have essentially expressed the same reservations that I expressed in my post? Are the 60% of Americans who believe that the war was a mistake unpatriotic?

In reading through this thread, I couldn't help but notice that JoeEpcotRocks did not answer this specific question, so I'll ask a shortened version of it again.

Yes or no, Joe; Are John McCain & Colin Powell unpatriotic?

And if you feel that it is unpatriotic to not support the troops and the mission in full, do you feel that the person who declared that "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." is unpatriotic as well?

I await your answers to these two questions.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

In reading through this thread, I couldn't help but notice that JoeEpcotRocks did not answer this specific question, so I'll ask a shortened version of it again.

Yes or no, Joe; Are John McCain & Colin Powell unpatriotic?

And if you feel that it is unpatriotic to not support the troops and the mission in full, do you feel that the person who declared that "Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." is unpatriotic as well?

I await your answers to these two questions.

Not a matter of patriotism, whose defintion bounces around on the DIS. I'm not calling anyone "unpatriotic."

I don't think you can truly support the troops if you do not support the mission (but I don't throw around the "patriotic" or "unpatriotic" word).

I believe the fight against terrorism in Iraq is just and right. We (as the President said) will exit Iraq gradually as the Iraqi's gain the ability to handle the terrorists attacking their country.