WDW STRIKE Date Set For Firday November 19

I think if the union does not do something they might as well pack up and leave and they know it.
I had also heard that Chrismas pay had a bearing on the tactics. But at this point people are figuring they are not going to be any better off by accepting it.
Also heard strikers are being brought in from other states for the picket lines.
Of course it is all hearsay and depends on who you hear a tidbit from.
 
I agree with zulaya.

My husband hasn't had a raise in years, despite excellent ratings in every area of his reviews. Now his company has been sold and he is very worried that he may be cut to part time after January 1. We are going to WDW on January 12. Our insurance costs have gone up and up while the coverage has gone down. Our DS was sick last year and there wasn't a single pediatric neurologist on our plan.

While I feel that Disney employees should be compensated fairly, I have a feeling my definition of "fairly" is very different from theirs!

For everyone traveling in November and December I hope the best for you!

I haven't bought our Park Hoppers yet, and I can cancel our hotel up until January 7. All I can't cancel are the plane tickets, and chances are I can find something else to do in Orlando if I have to!
 
Originally posted by zulaya
I am a little sick and tired of workers wanting a bigger bonus, a bigger raise to cover their higher health insurance premium.

Do they really think the rest of us are getting annual bonuses, raises and that our healthcare costs are staying the same?

Here's our situation:

My DH hasn't had a raise in 3 years. ZERO. Every year our health care costs have risen so he has basically received a pay cut for the past 3 years due to health care. Last year he did get an annual bonus, for the first time in 3 years.

And it's not because he isn't a good worker...the guy consistently gets one of the top employee reviews in his immediate group.

It's the fact that his field (tech) has stagnated AND that health care costs are completely out of control for EVERYONE!

How do these workers think they should get a better deal than every other worker who is seeing double digit percentage increases in their personal cost for health care coverage.

(taking deep breath now and stepping off soap box)

The only raise I really care about is the cost of living raise everyone gets. I've been with the company for ten years...CMs at Disney top out at five years...meaning they don't get any raises after that. With the exception of the cost of living raise.
 
This is going to sound extremely self-centered, but does this mean some shortage of services at WDW? Will we see picketers milling around on property? We arrive 11/19 and I honestly just want to have a magical vacation, not be a part of some labor disagreement. Shame on both sides of not getting this thing worked out.
 

I honestly hope the "guests" are slightly inconvenienced while visiting WDW.

There would be more of a message sent if there was cancellations of paying guests that were upset because of even minor things, we all know that. Having a strike at WDW is bringing reality into their vacationong world and that is unacceptable!

Best of wishes to the under-appreciated low paid workers that are the backbone of the largest entertainment industry in the world.

And I have noticed that almost all of the posters against the strike are first timers......
 
I will raise my hand at being a first timer. I assume that my number of posts qualifys me for that title, and not how long I have been registered here. What that has to do with anything I am not sure, but I get to be a part of a group. (Do we have t-shirts?)

From what I see, This seems to have two sides.

Those that are against the strike are not against the negotiation, but rather against the tactic of picketing in front of a buisness until the group gets what they want.

The other side seems to be that a strike is a tool to put pressure on the corperation to see the point of view of the picketers.

Both sides here want fair wages, whatever they may be for the field. It just seems a difference of opinion in determining what fair wages mean. That is the way I understand it. Would someone who is pro-picketing please let me know what use it has besides putting pressure on the employer by intentionally trying to hamper their buisness.
 
4 posts in two years? and I thought i was a master at lurking...;)

My post was directed more to the fact that WDW is really very concerned about losing any revenue in the upcoming holidays, look at the lost revenue from guests canceling trips during the recent hurricanes. And of course these boards have different sides of any issue reading these comments with posters on both sides trying to convince their ideas of what is right or wrong.

Currently with Eisner testifying about why and hows of the Ovitz departure there is some genuine concern about where the real money needs to be spent or more in perspective how its being spent by the no-future brained leaders in charge.

I wish it was possible to make Eisner pay back under a judges ruling all ill-timed and poorly concieved business dealings under his tenure back to the real heart of Disney....the cast members.

From the $100 million paid to Ovitz, the excessive amount paid to build DCA, ALL the useless and poorly themed rides built both at DL and WDW in the last decade, the some what undisclosed amounts that were paid out for injuries over the same period from the Columbia incident to the Roger Rabbit ride (actually quite a few were paid behind closed doors) that was a direct result of poor maintenance that was condoned from the very top.

ME is terribly terribly wealthy, he could not spend $10,000 a day and be broke before he dies he is that rich, all from the hardworking low paid held in poor regard cast members that only wanted to be part of Walt Disney's dream and legacy.

I say strike, for as long as it takes, just to prove a point.
 
I am against the strike and I'm not a 1st timer. What I am is a two timer..... meaning I saw my father suffer thru two ugly strikes that basically got him nothing. 10 years from retirement, during the 80's when the economy was in the toilet his union put them out for seven months - right thru Thanksgiving & Christmas. He spent all his savings, maxed out credit, he and my mom spent time in the hospital with NO medical coverage ( health benifits as well as paychecks stop during a strike). They finally went back to work with barely more then the original offer ( during the negotiations, the Company made several offers, each time the Union bosses told it's members " You can vote Yes to accept it, but the answer is NO regardless of how you vote" ). The company lost contracts because they couldn't fill them so immediately following the strike there were huge layoffs. My father ( and 100's of others) never recovered financially from that strike.

A strike IS NOT THE ANSWER. It will help NO ONE. It will only hurt those holding the picket signs. The people who can least afford to lose their paychecks are the only ones who are going to suffer.
 
Anyone know when the votes will be tallied, and if any info. will be available today or tonight?
 
So, according to Mr. D, if you are new to the boards, you don't have a brain or a conscience?

MR. D, please let me know when I've posted enough to be able to grace the boards with posts that actually mean something please!!

And if I can't reach the lofty goal, of becoming a poster that is deemed "READABLE", I will gladly stop posting.
 
For the record, I'm not arguing about whether striking is or is not a good idea for the CMs, only that they have every right to do so, and it doesn't make them the bad guys in this negotiation, any more than Disney refusing to improve their offer makes them the bad guys.
 
I'm going there next week, and no matter how the atomsphere is I'm going to have the best time there. This is the first vacation I have been on in years and this is the first time my daughter went to WDW. If I see alot of picketers, i will just explain to my daughter the reason being and continue on into the park.

Another question, How much do people working at Six Flags make, or Hershey Park make?Is it more than workers at Disney?
 
I have a hypothetical scenario....

One of the two unions who do not want to approve this contract represent the Characters. Let's say they do not go to work and go on strike.

There would be no shows or parades at all due to being a rehearsed role.

Very few characters would be out doing meet and greets because for those they can use managers.

Don't flame me out....I'm not going to take a side...I'm just curious how that would affect anyone's vacation.
 
As someone who will be spending thousands to take his family of four to WDW tomorrow, I must confess I am probably in a very selfish state of mind about this thing. BUT, if the unions can't even get together about whether to agree or not, it seems like it seriously erodes the position of the unions that are holding out. At the same time, I will be very disappointed in WDW if they let negotiations over small amounts affect what happens in the parks -regarding characters or whatever.

The way I see it, workers have a right to strike; employers have a right to use part time labor to fill needed positions. If workers go on strike they must be fully prepared to endure the consequences. On the other hand, employers must bear the conequences if they can't staff their business. If this were a game, I would wager that Disney wins every single time.

Here is where it is so great to live in a free country though. Workers can leave. There are other jobs. Working for Walt is not the only path in life. I assume unions would help members with training for other jobs etc. This country was founded on taking chances. I encourage all workers who are unhappy to take a chance and do something else with life.

Having said that, I think the CMs at WDW are so great. The people there do so much to make sure all of us have an excellent vacation experience. What I have come to learn though is that if someone chooses to work there they make a choice/ sacrifice. One sacrifices higher wages, better benefits, etc, for the opportunity to work for Disney. If that's a tradeoff you can or will make, then fine. If not maybe there are other employment opportunities to be explored so that employees can more responsibly and reasonably support their families.

If there are no parades or character greetings we'll have a great time anyway. But I just may think for a moment: "What a bunch of dummies on both sides for letting it come to this. Disney's reputation is being tarnished another little bit AND hardworking people are turning their backs on paychecks and benefits. And for what? I sure hope everyone remembers to thank the union bosses when its all done."
 
I think maybe by "first timers" tending to be opposed to a strike, Mr. D. was referring to people planning their first trip to WDW (not first-timers on this board) who might (understandably) be more disappointed at the thought of things being less than magical because of a strike.

I could be way off, but I took that comment to not be related (directly) to the number of DIS posts somebody has made.
 
For the record, I'm not arguing about whether striking is or is not a good idea for the CMs, only that they have every right to do so, and it doesn't make them the bad guys in this negotiation, any more than Disney refusing to improve their offer makes them the bad guys.
DB, I agree 100%.

My father was also on strike for a long period of time, back in the late 70's. I wasn't old enough to really get what was going on, but I do remember it stunk. I'm pretty sure we didn't gain enough from company concessions to make up for the 10 months or so of lost wages.

But that doesn't mean a strike is never necessary. For younger workers, they just might make up that difference, and certainly future workers will be in a better place because of it. If the strike is relatively short, all workers may end up ahead.

We all know why unions started. And its been pointed out that there are other protections in place for workers. Some have concluded that this makes Unions and strikes obsolete.

I could not disagree more. No, if unions were abolished, conditions would not revert back to the early days of the industrial revolution. But if you think a significant number of companies would not take advantage of the workers' decreased leverage, you are mistaken.

I don't know enough about this situation to judge who is really being the hard rear in this case. But I do know that there are bad unions, and there are bad companies. To make blanket judgments about when tactics are justified is taking far to narrow a view of these types of situations.

***"What bargaining power do the union leaders have in negotiations if the threat of a strike is not behind it?"***

Work slowdowns. Blue Flu. Refusal of overtime. Going to the media.

C'mon now... Work slowdowns? Are you suggesting that CMs start making our food slower? Take longer to give us change? Purposely load rides slower? Besides getting berated by incensed guests, anyone who truly believes in Walt's vision wouldn't be able to allow themselves to do this. Many believe you either do your job right or you don't do it.

I'd hope that many at Disney have that attitude.

Blue flu? With so many hourly employees, I don't think this would be very wise. It would essentially be a mini-strike, and if Disney is willing to deal with a full scale strike, I'm sure they could withstand some extra CMs calling in sick.

Refusal of overtime? Most companies are trying to minimize overtime, and I'm sure that's the case with Disney... that's one reason for having so many hourlies working 20-30 hours a week. (not the only reason, of course). Likely wouldn't cause Disney much concern.

Going to the media? Isn't that what they are doing now, through their union reps? If Disney actually lets them go on strike, it would be a pretty good indication that they weren't too concerned about the public's perception of their employees' working conditions/benefits.


Again, there are good and bad unions, just as there are good and bad companies. I'm honestly not sure if one side really shares more blame than the other in this case, but I do know it ALWAYS takes two to make an agreement, and there are just as many pig-headed company negotiators out there as there are pig-headed union negotiators.

Would someone who is pro-picketing please let me know what use it has besides putting pressure on the employer by intentionally trying to hamper their business.
If done properly, it merely makes customers aware of the situation, allowing them to make an informed decision, if they choose to do so.

Note that I'm not talking about physically obstructing customers or workers, or verbally berating anyone. All to which I am adamantly opposed.
 
I understand how frustrating this must be for those of you who have been planning this trip for a long time. I too will be there 12/2 - 12/6.

However, the difference is that I know people that work for Disney. I hesitate to guess that most of you make over 8.00 an hour. My friend who has over 10 years seniority with Disney, is making 11.00 an hr. That is without overtime. Excuse me, but I think that she deserves a raise and better wages.

Can you feed your family of 4, pay for a house, healthcare, etc on 8-9.00 an hour?

If you can, I would love to know how you do it.

This is only one example out of all of my friends that work at WDW. Even the salary positions do not pay well.
 
Matt I'll keep an open mind when it comes to discussing "philosophy" and all other Car debates. But I'm sorry, striking is not the answer when all it's going to boil down to is nickles and dimes. If we were talking about truely unfair or unsafe working conditions I'd feel differently but in most cases - including this one - that's not the case. If they strike now, just wait and see how ugly it gets the next time the contract is up for renewal. All Disney will do is spend the next three years "pursuing other options".

You have a situation here where not even the unions can agree with each other. According to one post here one of the unions threatened to fire anyone who didn't vote the way the union wanted them too.

I don't know what the payscale is at WDW. Don't know if it's more or less then SW or US/IOA. What I do know though is that each job has a ceiling. A stock boy making $6.00 an hour today isn't entitled to $20.00 per hour in 10 years. Some jobs were never intended to be career positions and a strike isn't going to change that.
 
Of course strikes are ugly. But when you're dealing with a pig-headed company (not saying this is the case here), you can't just take the strike option off the table. If you do, all it does is embolden the pig-headed companies, and encourage those who aren't to become so.

Yes, the workers need to take a serious look at what they are asking for, and if its realistic given the marketplace.
 




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