WDW Should Not Open in July. Discuss.

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Other. Given what has happened, no, they should not open in July. Nor will I be going. But depending upon how things go form here as the disease runs its course, I will evaluate whether to go or not once again.

 

[Heather07438]

I've seen this in vehicles, but not in homes or businesses. I'm part of the maintenance team for my company and we don't have a "fresh air intake mode". Is that common?

Some of the hospitals around here needed to fit more Covid patients, but didn't have enough negative pressure rooms. They went to Home Depot for basic supplies and made their own.

Could places install more exhaust fans if they don't have a fresh intake option?

Maybe swamp coolers should make a comeback. One reason people didn't prefer it was higher humidity, but that's a plus now :^) lol

 

[Heather07438]

If they don't know how to use a mask and infect themselves by letting the surface touch their mouth, nose, face or hands, well, I don't what to say. I just want it on them to function as its primary purpose--reduce the trajectory of their respiratory particles.

And it's going to work out better if everybody's wearing masks. Then collectively the outside of all our masks should stay cleaner too, which reduces the chances of self contamination.

With everybody's mouth covered, there's not much flying around to get on other people's masks to begin with.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The casinos not opening isn't about NV numbers. It is about the people from everywhere else that goes to NV, interacts with hundreds of people from dozens of places, and transports the virus back where they are from.

Vacation spots are a problem not for their numbers, they are a problem because they move the virus all around the country. I'm not catching COVID from someone that lives in Louisiana if we both stay home. If we both travel to the same vacation destination though I very well may.

I understand that, which is why I said I wasn't arguing with you. I was asking what you knew about what's happened with the reopening of casinos - has Vegas had spikes there? Has it affected them there? I wasn't at all saying that they would see the majority of problems there.

ETA: But it does affect people living there as well. All of your casino, hotel and restaurant workers ARE local.

 

[kdonnel]

It appears the people from Georgia don't take this very seriously.

Or that some have looked at the CDC guidance and determined that for their age and health, Covied-19 is not something that should be feared, respected, but not feared.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And it's going to work out better if everybody's wearing masks. Then collectively the outside of all our masks should stay cleaner too, which reduces the chances of self contamination.

With everybody's mouth covered, there's not much flying around to get on other people's masks to begin with.

Sneezing is a big issue. You have your mask under your nose and you sneeze especially without it being into your arm...yeah gross. There's definitely things flying around.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Or that some have looked at the CDC guidance and determined that for their age and health, Covied-19 is not something that should be feared, respected, but not feared.

The average age of ICU patients is under 50.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Folks who think that COVID in 19 is probably not that big a deal should read threads like this and wonder if you think you could luck out and not be one of the thousands of people with long haul COVID.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Folks who think that COVID in 19 is probably not that big a deal should read threads like this and wonder if you think you could luck out and not be one of the thousands of people with long haul COVID.

Yep

here’s the easy to read unroll of that thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279155358666305541.html

 

[DGsAtBLT]

Folks who think that COVID in 19 is probably not that big a deal should read threads like this and wonder if you think you could luck out and not be one of the thousands of people with long haul COVID.

Thank you for sharing. One of the most frustrating things about all this is people pointing at the fatality rate and hospitalization rate like it’s all that matters.

The way people who would be categorized as mild report suffering for months on end, and the unknown long term effects are probably the scariest part IMO. The way it hits people completely differently with no rhyme or reason as to why (that we know of at this point) is part of the reason we as a family are still behaving pretty cautiously even though our area is pretty safe.

No way on earth would we go to Florida right now. Or even the US for that matter.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Thank you for sharing. One of the most frustrating things about all this is people pointing at the fatality rate and hospitalization rate like it’s all that matters.

The way people who would be categorized as mild report suffering for months on end, and the unknown long term effects are probably the scariest part IMO. The way it hits people completely differently with no rhyme or reason as to why (that we know of at this point) is part of the reason we as a family are still behaving pretty cautiously even though our area is pretty safe.

No way on earth would we go to Florida right now. Or even the US for that matter.

Yep. Many of the people who have been sick for three months now have never been hospitalized. They are just still unable to physically do anything.

 

[kdonnel]

The average age of ICU patients is under 50.

The CDC says the case fatality ratio for my age group is .05%.

If someone offered me a chance to double my life savings or die and my odds of winning were 99.95% I would take that bet!

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

The CDC says the case fatality ratio for my age group is .05%.

If someone offered me a chance to double my life savings or die and my odds of winning were 99.95% I would take that bet!

Again, even if you don't end up in the ICU, if you get it, you stand a 15-20% chance of having the long-haul version, of which zero people have recovered from yet. Those are not good odds.

 

[MamaLema]

Folks who think that COVID in 19 is probably not that big a deal should read threads like this and wonder if you think you could luck out and not be one of the thousands of people with long haul COVID.

I take Covid very seriously. I take all the precautions but this was one scary read!

 

[kymom99]

Yep

here’s the easy to read unroll of that thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1279155358666305541.html

Oh my!

 

[sam_gordon]

One of the most frustrating things about all this is people pointing at the fatality rate and hospitalization rate like it’s all that matters.

Numbers are really the only way to quantify this to see how things are going. That doesn't mean it's not bad for people who get it, just how else do you quantify it?

How you interpret the numbers is big though. I remember early on, someone pointing out that numbers were doubling "every three days" and if that continued, we'd have millions dead within a month. Well, of course it's easy to double numbers when they're small. If you have one death on day one, and double every day for five days, 32 people would die on day five. Sure, if you keep it going, you'll get into millions very quickly. Would anyone else be happy if only 32 people died each day right now (not "happy", but it's all relative)?

Someone saying "we had 10K cases today, we're doomed" doesn't tell the entire story. There are a range of results from positive cases. Are they 10k asymptomatic cases? 10k people who will suffer horribly for three months? 10k hospitalization cases? Future 10k deaths? Obviously it's going to be a little of all of those. But by only focusing on "cases" doesn't really tell the story.

Knowing the lag time is important too. Someone might say "sure, we had 10k cases today, but only 50 deaths". But the deaths will lag by 2-4 weeks (at least). So at the same time you can't just look at the number of deaths and say "it's not that bad".

 

[deanimal]

The CDC says the case fatality ratio for my age group is .05%.

If someone offered me a chance to double my life savings or die and my odds of winning were 99.95% I would take that bet!

And what if included your parents each having a 5-10% chance of dying as well? Still taking it?

 

[kdonnel]

And what if included your parents each having a 5-10% chance of dying as well? Still taking it?

Yup. They are both already dead!

But if you mean my wife's parents, the CDC says they have a case fatality ratio of 1.3% or a 98.7% chance of survival.

Odds still seem good for doubling my money!

 

[Seahorse17]

Yup. They are both already dead!

But if you mean my wife's parents, the CDC says they have a case fatality ratio of 1.3% or a 98.7% chance of survival.

Odds still seem good for doubling my money!

I am at Ft Wilderness now. Disney is doing a wonderful job of keeping everyone safe. Everyone wearing their masks for the stores and take out food. If you are in a golf cart everyone has a mask on. You do not need a mask sitting at your campground. I would not be afraid to go to the parks when they open.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Numbers are really the only way to quantify this to see how things are going. That doesn't mean it's not bad for people who get it, just how else do you quantify it?

How you interpret the numbers is big though. I remember early on, someone pointing out that numbers were doubling "every three days" and if that continued, we'd have millions dead within a month. Well, of course it's easy to double numbers when they're small. If you have one death on day one, and double every day for five days, 32 people would die on day five. Sure, if you keep it going, you'll get into millions very quickly. Would anyone else be happy if only 32 people died each day right now (not "happy", but it's all relative)?

Someone saying "we had 10K cases today, we're doomed" doesn't tell the entire story. There are a range of results from positive cases. Are they 10k asymptomatic cases? 10k people who will suffer horribly for three months? 10k hospitalization cases? Future 10k deaths? Obviously it's going to be a little of all of those. But by only focusing on "cases" doesn't really tell the story.

Knowing the lag time is important too. Someone might say "sure, we had 10k cases today, but only 50 deaths". But the deaths will lag by 2-4 weeks (at least). So at the same time you can't just look at the number of deaths and say "it's not that bad".

Our county health director just made this point to the community. We had been at 4 deaths up through May. Then we were up to 5 for June. In the last week, that's just over doubled to 11. Of course our local media ran with the "doubled" part of it, but she was clear that in this case, she doesn't want to look at the percent increase because it's spins a picture worse than what is because the number was so low to begin with. And not to discount these deaths, because to me that matter just as much, but some of these were expected as a skilled nursing facility had an outbreak recently.