WDW Jan 2011: Who else is doing their first Full then?

Wow-I'm feeling so inspired reading this! Dh and I just signed up for the full in January. I've done a few halfs and will do one more before the full. Dh just did his first half this spring and is really working on speedwork. We don't run together all that much anymore. ;) I'm more of a slow and steady kind of gal. We're both really excited to do our first full marathon at Disney! :yay:
 
Hello Charles, Maura and my dearest Judy

Thank you for posting the link to your course description Charles. I've run the course a few times in reality, and hundreds of times vitually. When I'm doing long work and have to be on the treadmill I tape a course map up in front of me and I run sections of the course, mile by mile, to match the treadmill's distance splits. Today I ran miles 18 to 25, from the Animal Kingdom parking lot to the mile 25 marker on the elevated portion between the 2 French Islands in Epcot.

Your narrative is long and spot on. I really describes the terrain and scenery, step by step. The stretch from 18 to 20.6 I call "the sun's anvil" after the desert crossed by T.E. Lawrence in the film Lawrence of Arabia.

And I have to say, sure I've seen the big McDonalds to your right at mile 19, but honestly, Blizzard Beach is to your left? I'm ashamed to say I've never noticed that. Sad.

Of course on the Monday after my first WDW full marathon I was in the Animal Kingdom with my then 20-year old daughter. We were walking towards Expedition Everest, and I looked down and recognized the sidewalk from the prior day. Then I looked up and saw the mountain of the attraction. I told my daughter, "you know I was here yesterday and never saw the mountain, never even noticed it." It took Lesley a good 5 minutes before she was able to move again; my comment literally made her fall over laughing. I did tell her that by that point I felt so bad that I just looked down and focused on moving along step by step. She wasn't impressed.

Craig
 
Of course on the Monday after my first WDW full marathon I was in the Animal Kingdom with my then 20-year old daughter. We were walking towards Expedition Everest, and I looked down and recognized the sidewalk from the prior day. Then I looked up and saw the mountain of the attraction. I told my daughter, "you know I was here yesterday and never saw the mountain, never even noticed it." It took Lesley a good 5 minutes before she was able to move again; my comment literally made her fall over laughing. I did tell her that by that point I felt so bad that I just looked down and focused on moving along step by step. She wasn't impressed.

Craig

Oh Craig, I remember you telling me that! I do so know what you mean. How many times have I seen people's pictures of characters or musicians or something on the course of the Half and I'll think "I never saw that!". All I ever see if the pavement ten feet in front of me. Except, of course, on Main Steet. (I am getting goosebumps as I type this! I remember it so well.) When we stepped out onto Main Street during our first Half in '07 I turned to Charlie and said "Now I know what it must feel like to be in the Olympics!" OMG! With all my heart I mean this when I say it was one of THE most exciting moments of my life. :goodvibes
 
Charles, thank you for that link. I will print it out and read it. Every little bit of knowledge makes me feel better prepared. :thumbsup2
 

I will be running the Wine & Dine half marathon in October. My first half marathon but what I'm really training for will be the Goofy in 2011.
 
Hello Charles, Maura and my dearest Judy

Thank you for posting the link to your course description Charles. I've run the course a few times in reality, and hundreds of times vitually. When I'm doing long work and have to be on the treadmill I tape a course map up in front of me and I run sections of the course, mile by mile, to match the treadmill's distance splits. Today I ran miles 18 to 25, from the Animal Kingdom parking lot to the mile 25 marker on the elevated portion between the 2 French Islands in Epcot.

Your narrative is long and spot on. I really describes the terrain and scenery, step by step. The stretch from 18 to 20.6 I call "the sun's anvil" after the desert crossed by T.E. Lawrence in the film Lawrence of Arabia.

And I have to say, sure I've seen the big McDonalds to your right at mile 19, but honestly, Blizzard Beach is to your left? I'm ashamed to say I've never noticed that. Sad.

Of course on the Monday after my first WDW full marathon I was in the Animal Kingdom with my then 20-year old daughter. We were walking towards Expedition Everest, and I looked down and recognized the sidewalk from the prior day. Then I looked up and saw the mountain of the attraction. I told my daughter, "you know I was here yesterday and never saw the mountain, never even noticed it." It took Lesley a good 5 minutes before she was able to move again; my comment literally made her fall over laughing. I did tell her that by that point I felt so bad that I just looked down and focused on moving along step by step. She wasn't impressed.

Craig

Laughing big time..... My 25 yo DD - suffered admirably from ages 14-19 listening to me pointing out various points of the course. I think she lost it when I pointed out part of the marathon course during the fall golf tournament as I flipped past the channel on the tube. I notice that when she is with us at Disney the ipod volume increases dramatically as we cross under the welcome sign!:confused3

Charles, thank you for that link. I will print it out and read it. Every little bit of knowledge makes me feel better prepared. :thumbsup2

Thanks for reading

I will be running the Wine & Dine half marathon in October. My first half marathon but what I'm really training for will be the Goofy in 2011.

Feel free to ask a lot of questions...... I am assuing your first marathon is the Goofy, also? My hat is off to you
 
Cewait:

Thanks! Your right, I have never done a full. My longest run has been 13 miles and I currently run 5 miles in 45 minutes. Is there any tips/wisdom that you could give me for the goofy? What do you eat/drink to give you that boost during a long run? I will appreciate any advice given.
 
Cewait:

Thanks! Your right, I have never done a full. My longest run has been 13 miles and I currently run 5 miles in 45 minutes. Is there any tips/wisdom that you could give me for the goofy? What do you eat/drink to give you that boost during a long run? I will appreciate any advice given.

Ah, the magic question that all of us ask at one point or another during our marathon training. :) The short answer to this is whatever works best for one person might not work well for someone else. This is one area in which you need to experiment during your long runs to learn what you body enjoys, toelrates, and won't stand. Personally, I use a combination of things to keep me from getting bored eating the same stuff all the time. I use Clif Shots, Clif Bloks, and Sport Beans, and will generally have two packages of each with me during a marathon to eat myself and share with people who need it.

There are dozens of brands and flavors and formulas available, so it really does come down to a matter of personal preference.
 
Ah, the magic question that all of us ask at one point or another during our marathon training. :) The short answer to this is whatever works best for one person might not work well for someone else. This is one area in which you need to experiment during your long runs to learn what you body enjoys, toelrates, and won't stand. Personally, I use a combination of things to keep me from getting bored eating the same stuff all the time. I use Clif Shots, Clif Bloks, and Sport Beans, and will generally have two packages of each with me during a marathon to eat myself and share with people who need it.

There are dozens of brands and flavors and formulas available, so it really does come down to a matter of personal preference.

John's right on with the nutrition piece. Go to the sports nutrition section of a large grocery store and the selection is vast.
Let me back up on the nutrition stuff for just a minute…
First, the body burns fat and sugar (in the form of glycogen) as you run. Sugar is the hot burning kindling that you burn as you work at higher intensities. Fat is the longer burning logs that require a little starter fuel to ignite and then to continue the burn. Fat is the aerobic fuel you are training your body to use more effectively. Fat is abundant in the body and you could burn fat for a couple days if that were the only fuel source present (yes even a lean athlete has this kind of fat stored). Sugar on the other hand is in short supply – generally less than 90 minutes if burned exclusively.
We train long and slow to adapt the body to a better fat burner – but you will always tap a certain amount of sugar to keep the fire lit. Since sugar is in short supply we need to supplement the sugar stores as we go forward. If you do not you run the risk of hitting the wall – the point where the brain says stop moving NOW as you are about to deplete my fuel…sugar is also what the brain uses as fuel.

A rule of thumb on fueling during activity is that you are generally ok with work up to about an 1:00 to 1:30. If going longer than that you should consider taking in sugar to keep blood glycogen levels from depleting. A great place to start is to fuel ( gel or other source if carbs) at about 45 minutes into a run. This is a great starting point but you may shorten that initial fuelling or lengthen depending on who you are (30-60 minutes). Then about every 30-45 minutes after that. This varies from person to person but these are good starting ranges.

There are several forms f fuel from gels, to beans, to blocks (think solid jello shots) to candy to real food. I would point you to more of a sport oriented product over a candy or real food. The sports oriented products will contain salts (electrolytes) to help replenish the sodium and other salts lost through sweat. Loose too many of these and you will cramp. Also, most sport product is packaged in easy to use containers that are designed to be used on the go. More serving sizes are in the 100-120 Kcal range. This is a critical size as if you go too much your GI system will react negatively. The gut can only process 200-250 Kcal per hour under load. Another strike against candy is that it tends to be sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. It’s just not clear that this synthetic sweetener really delivers the cellular nutrition of a natural sugar.
For sport products look up Cliff, Powerbar, Gu, Hammer, Carboom, etc. Experiment with different forms, brands, flavors, etc. You will find quickly what works for your system and what does not. As you go through the years, you will also find that manufacturers play around with formations and what works today will not work next year. likewise, you may find that something working in the heat of the summer just does not cut it as the temps cool. Quite a few folks will find that chocolate flavors do not clear the throat well. You will see caffeine in several flavors. Experiment with caffeinated vs. non. For many caffeine will pass through.

Having run a few longer type events, I find that I start to hate gels (even when I have 2-3 flavors with me). For me it is because I will go for my favorite gel flavor first and leave the not so favorite for later. I find that if I randomly place gels know to work in a fanny pack (or in random order on my fuel belt) and not fish for the favorite I can go longer before I get to that point.
How to gel (eat) on the run. I will open my gel as I approach a water stop. Grabbing a water I take a swallow to moisten the mouth, gel and complete it, then wash it down with the remaining water. You will generally only get 2-4 oz of water in a cup. Practice with these volumes. When hot I will grab a second cup to assure that I clear my throat. Note this also applies to other forms of nutrition.
Can’t take a whole gel? Follow the steps above – but take only half the packet. Fold the top down so the gel does not leak out and keep it in your hand. Then as you approach the next water stop, complete that pack of gel.

Sport Drink. You should practice with PowerAde during your training. I find that if you can stomach pre-mixed drink you should be OK in the race. I still drink a cup of water with a sport drink to keep the concentration lower in the gut.

The general rule is to drink a sport drink when you hydrate in the race along with your water. However, you should avoid the sport drink at the water stops where you take in nutrition. That can and will overload the gut.

This is a lot of stuff and it will take some time for it to sink in. I will conclude with PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. The first time you practice, you may want to be in a tighter loop run where you will have easy access to facilities or home.

PowerBar and Gatorade have a great amount of data on their sites. Most of their data is not sales oriented though I would always read their claims with sales spin in mind.
 
So my plan to carry an eggplant parm wedge in my AmphiPod isn't a good idea? :confused3





:rotfl2:
 
So my plan to carry an eggplant parm wedge in my AmphiPod isn't a good idea? :confused3

:rotfl2:

Haha! Probably not for a marathon, but in the ultra I ran, the aid stations offered tasty food like pb&j, pizza, meatloaf, chicken noodle soup, and other goodies.
 
So my plan to carry an eggplant parm wedge in my AmphiPod isn't a good idea? :confused3





:rotfl2:

A few years back while running the NYC marathon, I actually saw a runner leaving a pizza parlor with a slice of pizza. Whatever works for you.....:cool1:
 
Cewait & FGigawi, Thank you! Wow! I had no idea. I did go into a GNC store and they had nothing of sorts. I will go into my Meijer store this weekend and see what they have in their section. Who knew Jelly Belly made sports jelly beans! Good point Cewait I will diffently practice the gel and drinking. I just have to figure out how. I can't thank you enough. :thumbsup2
 
Cewait & FGigawi, Thank you! Wow! I had no idea. I did go into a GNC store and they had nothing of sorts. I will go into my Meijer store this weekend and see what they have in their section. Who knew Jelly Belly made sports jelly beans! Good point Cewait I will diffently practice the gel and drinking. I just have to figure out how. I can't thank you enough. :thumbsup2

You may have better luck at a running store or sporting goods store. There are some around here that stock at least one flavor of almost all the gells so you can grab one of each (or one of a couple different varieties) and see which works best for you. Along with the beans there are also gummy chews (I think from cliff but can't remember) that are a good option.

Good luck finding something that works.
 
How's it going? Hope the training is going well.

Thank you so much for resurrecting this thread. Just some great information to be found here. I wonder if Charles and John and others get tired of answering the same questions, though I'm enormously thankful that they treat each questioner as if it's the first time.
 
Judith Anne -----> :scared:
So who else will be out there with me in January doing the Full for the very first time? :grouphug:

:wave2::wave2: ME!!!!

Judy, Dale & I signed up for the full! His long legs (and my short ones) make it difficult for me to keep pace with him. I just officially started training, so I have a LONG way to go. Haven't run (or even attempted) since I got sick after the Broad Street Run in May.
 
Oh Patty I'm so excited for you and Dale! This is going to me so much fun! (OK, keep reminding me I said that when I start to panic.) :goodvibes

We just got back late last night after spending eight glorious days in Hawaii. Only two of which we actually trained. I missed two LRs since we were travelling on those days and I am NOT happy about that. Should I just let it go or make them up during the week? They were a 6 and a 7. Ugh. I wanted to stay right on my training program but, well, it was just impossible since we flew out so early we had to leave the house at 2:30am. And coming back took 22.5 hours, thanks to an extra 6 hours on the lovely Garden State Parkway. Never, ever get on the GSP when it's raining and a football game has just let out.:headache:

Anyway, we are back now and I am very happy to be getting back into my training groove. The only way I'm going to enjoy this process is if I stay on schedule and feel confident and good about what I'm doing. I don't want to miss any more training days and start worrying. And panic. And get stressed out. No, no, I ain't going there! :sad2: Onward we go, one step at a time. :thumbsup2
 
I think if you've missed the 6 and 7 miles weeks that perhaps since you are following Bingham, I think I got that right, this upcoming weekend is a 6 I'd do that maybe 6.5. Next one will be 8 do what you can for that. Don't want to do too much to fast, but if you put in the 8 and don't push too much, a little below race pace perhaps for this see how it goes. You should be back in the groove then.

Maybe our other more experienced folks will weigh in. I'm just guessing.
 
Like firedancer, January 2011 will be my second full. My first was WDW 2005 and I was desperately undertrained. I finished but it was painful then and for days after!


The January 2011 full will be my second full. My first was last October and I discovered on race day that I need to change my training plan so this will hopefully be the first one I run as opposed to suffer through.

I also don't count my first - done in 2005 as well. I wasn't in pain for days but I certainly "suffered through" it. I did not train properly...and I cannot tell you how big of a mistake this was. The 2005 race was soooooo hot. The turn-around area near WWS (someone referred to this as the sun's anvil, how appropriate!) was god awful. I swore I would NEVER subject myself to the full ever again. And yet, I think I'm going to register for 2010 and do it right this time.
 












Receive up to $1,000 in Onboard Credit and a Gift Basket!
That’s right — when you book your Disney Cruise with Dreams Unlimited Travel, you’ll receive incredible shipboard credits to spend during your vacation!
CLICK HERE













DIS Facebook DIS youtube DIS Instagram DIS Pinterest DIS Tiktok DIS Twitter DIS Bluesky

Back
Top