WDW and Universal. Who wins?

[New Mouse]

My issue with that logic is that people have no idea why Disney chose what they did. There may be engineering/ site issues that prevent them from moving into another area, at least at this time.

I would also say if you’re on a public forum voicing your displeasure that is the opposite of timid.

I tend to have more of an issue when people speak about how many people they know who are also Dis biggest fans who are not at all happy with the additions. It seems to be the same song and dance, Disney never does anything, they can’t keep pace with universal. Disney makes a major announcement, and it turns out it’s at the expense of all the fans of the parks. Then back up all your displeasure by backing it up with pseudo facts and get frustrated when someone calls you out for overstating or flat out making something up

It just gets old.

But all of wall street also tends to agree with the naysayers currently.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Just to clarify what I said is they can’t even get to building back there without first re-developing Rivers of America. So even if Disney wanted to spend to build on those potentially more expensive areas they would still have to do something akin to what they have presented now.

They managed to do it in Disneyland.

 

[Minnie1222]

But all of wall street also tends to agree with the naysayers currently.

Nelson Peltz, one of the biggest naysayers, reportedly made ONE BILLION dollars after "dumping" his Disney shares. I guess things weren't as negative as he thought.

 

[lowlight]

Nelson Peltz, one of the biggest naysayers, reportedly made ONE BILLION dollars after "dumping" his Disney shares. I guess things weren't as negative as he thought.

He didn’t profit a billion, that was the value of his shares. Also, you are very, very pointed when defending Disney. We pretty much all like or liked Disney on these forums, or we wouldn’t be here. Nobody is personally attacking you when they voice displeasure with Disney. I can’t speak for everyone, but I just want them to stop being a mess and go back to where they were 15 years ago.

 

[Minnie1222]

He didn’t profit a billion, that was the value of his shares. Also, you are very, very pointed when defending Disney. We pretty much all like or liked Disney on these forums, or we wouldn’t be here. Nobody is personally attacking you when they voice displeasure with Disney. I can’t speak for everyone, but I just want them to stop being a mess and go back to where they were 15 years ago.

We will never know the exact amount Mr. Peltz pocketed from the transaction. The point is he still gained from Disney despite all his negativity.

You all can voice your disapprovals/displeasures with the parks as much as you want. I can't commiserate since I don't feel the same. This is not to direct at you, but I find it strange when people write about how bad the parks/rides are without setting foot there in years.

 

[BorderTenny]

Tell me you've never checked out the backstage areas at MK on Google Maps without telling me you've never checked out the backstage areas at MK on Google Maps:

They managed to do it in Disneyland.

Completely irrelevant statement. The onstage and backstage logistics/infrastructure issues around WDW's Frontierland are different than what Disneyland's were.

 

[Tigger's ally]

I just want them to stop being a mess and go back to where they were 15 years ago.

Yeah, I want my grocery store bill, my gas bill, my electric bill and my country's political scene to go back to where they were 20 years ago. I think we are both out of luck. It's funny, Walt always predicated everything he did on nostalgia and also change. Change is the only constant anymore. I have come to embrace it as far as Disney goes, Yeah, I literally hate the decision on Splash as that was my favorite ride, and I won't go on it ever again just so I remember it the way I want too, but I understand that Disney had to change it in this day and age. No reason to be mad and go irate over it. So I move on. I will love the new Cars land because I love Cars Land in Disneyland. I like when good things from other parks come to WDW. I think the key is when change is made realize some of the changes you will like, just like some of the rides, and some you won't.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Tell me you've never checked out the backstage areas at MK on Google Maps without telling me you've never checked out the backstage areas at MK on Google Maps:

Completely irrelevant statement. The onstage and backstage logistics/infrastructure issues around WDW's Frontierland are different than what Disneyland's were.

What nonsense. I know what can be done and how to do it. It could be accomplished at MK the same as it could at DL.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yeah, I want my grocery store bill, my gas bill, my electric bill and my country's political scene to go back to where they were 20 years ago. I think we are both out of luck. It's funny, Walt always predicated everything he did on nostalgia and also change. Change is the only constant anymore. I have come to embrace it as far as Disney goes, Yeah, I literally hate the decision on Splash as that was my favorite ride, and I won't go on it ever again just so I remember it the way I want too, but I understand that Disney had to change it in this day and age. No reason to be mad and go irate over it. So I move on. I will love the new Cars land because I love Cars Land in Disneyland. I like when good things from other parks come to WDW. I think the key is when change is made realize some of the changes you will like, just like some of the rides, and some you won't.

A lot of it isn't about wistfully thinking about what the parks were.

There's an undercurrent vibe that Disney genuinely doesn't seem to know what it wants to be, from business strategies to leaders of the company and parks divisions, to streaming, to movie industry to more. I'd say they started getting more into current trends a little under 10 years ago when they started getting really into the instagram walls in the parks (which was very clever to do but I know some people eye rolled over that) but since then it just feels like they go with something for a bit then switch then keep switching which may work for a company to try and keep itself relevant amidst the demise of many other long-standing companies but I think their lack of what they want to be (or the perception of it if you're sure the company knows what they want) is leading to not as positive reception. It's like not really getting the impression Disney is confident in the changes they are going for to try and stay relevant which they have to and should do (do things to stay relevant).

If someone is complaining or saying something like the PP was about wishing the parks were like they were 15 years ago it doesn't by default mean they are mad or irate over it. To be fair saying you won't ever go on a ride because you want to preserve your memory of its prior iteration doesn't come across like you're moving on. If anything it shows you're exactly like others voicing your displeasure by opting to not ride it or telling other people you won't ride a ride ever again because of a retheme. It's your prerogative absolutely but I find that even bigger than just talking about what you don't like on an internet forum.

 

[BorderTenny]

What nonsense. I know what can be done and how to do it. It could be accomplished at MK the same as it could at DL.

Really? Do tell.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

Really? Do tell.

It’s not that hard. You drain the river and you reshape the island and the riverbanks enough to add walkways around HM and BTM. Or you could run a path from behind the Frontierland station to the west of BTM, and elevate it and reconfigure the barn for the BTM cars so they can go under it. Maybe you move the queue a bit for HM to make more room between it and the river.

 

[Tigger's ally]

. To be fair saying you won't ever go on a ride because you want to preserve your memory of its prior iteration doesn't come across like you're moving on. If anything it shows you're exactly like others voicing your displeasure by opting to not ride it or telling other people you won't ride a ride ever again because of a retheme. It's your prerogative absolutely but I find that even bigger than just talking about what you don't like on an internet forum.

No, it means that I liked it before, it has changed now and I am moving on. You don't see me complaining about it. It changed, I have accepted it. I have many many more rides to ride. Many many more memories to be made. Change is constant. Accept it.

 

[tx911]

I think they will get rid of the river as we know it, but will still have waterways and water features in the new Cars attraction.

Ones thing for sure, the timing of all this upcoming stuff should work out really well. There are about to be a whole bunch of theme-park construction workers in need of something to do!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

No, it means that I liked it before, it has changed now and I am moving on. You don't see me complaining about it. It changed, I have accepted it. I have many many more rides to ride. Many many more memories to be made. Change is constant. Accept it.

I see you boycotting a ride, never to do it again in the name of preserving what it once was. In the hierarchy of accepting change that screams much less accepting than just complaining to internet strangers about it. If you accepted change then you would go on the attraction in the new theming, that's what accepting means. Nothing about the attraction from Splash to Tiana changed, but the theming. To me it would seem you're unable to accept it, you're just opting to do more about it than some people here, by not going on the attraction ever again. That's way more than I would ever conceivably do. If you don't want to hear/see peeps complain that's your choice, but I don't think you should be out telling people to accept change but then not going on a ride because of it.

 

[Skywalker3]

I do wish Universal would hold onto a few more things for nostalgia's sake, but almost all of the replacements have been better (NOT all, Fast and Furious rediculousness. ) I appreciate that ET is still there, for nostalgia, but I haven't ridden it in idk how long, probably 8 years. I didn't start going to Universal until 2000, so for me, MiB, Mummy, Jurassic park river adv, and Spiderman are nostalgic. I dont' at miss Twister, Kong, Earthquake, they were pretty lame, especially Twister. Any ride where my short self has to STAND and watch something is not fun to me. Jaws was fun, but it's pretty hokey. I was never a huge fan of the movie, so dont' miss it all that much. I still get a sense of streetmosphere at Universal, that I no longer get at HS. Having characters like Beetlejuice, Doc,Scooby and the gang, are good for nostalgia.
I am a sucker for stuff like the old I Love Lucy experience that used to be at Universal. I loved seeing all the memorabilia. It's why I'll actually miss Launch Bay. It has a lot of cool SW stuff in there, used to have a lot more. Would love to see that kept/moved somewhere. But it's a large, underutilized space that would be nice for the Monsters Inc Land

 

[Tigger's ally]

I see you boycotting a ride, never to do it again in the name of preserving what it once was. In the hierarchy of accepting change that screams much less accepting than just complaining to internet strangers about it. If you accepted change then you would go on the attraction in the new theming, that's what accepting means. Nothing about the attraction from Splash to Tiana changed, but the theming. To me it would seem you're unable to accept it, you're just opting to do more about it than some people here, by not going on the attraction ever again. That's way more than I would ever conceivably do. If you don't want to hear/see peeps complain that's your choice, but I don't think you should be out telling people to accept change but then not going on a ride because of it.

You really don't understand me I guess. I just am not a complainer. Work in Technical customer Service. All I hear all day every day is complaining. I personally just prefer to accept the change and move on, not complain about it over and over and over again. Does anyone on here really think WDW should be what it was 15 years ago? That would be totally against what Walt stood for. There's been many additions to the park since then. Some one would like, and some one wouldn't. No sense dwelling on the ones that one doesn't like because someone else will like them. I don't ever want the parks to go back years, always move forward.

 

[Smugpugmug]

I see you boycotting a ride, never to do it again in the name of preserving what it once was. In the hierarchy of accepting change that screams much less accepting than just complaining to internet strangers about it. If you accepted change then you would go on the attraction in the new theming, that's what accepting means. Nothing about the attraction from Splash to Tiana changed, but the theming. To me it would seem you're unable to accept it, you're just opting to do more about it than some people here, by not going on the attraction ever again. That's way more than I would ever conceivably do. If you don't want to hear/see peeps complain that's your choice, but I don't think you should be out telling people to accept change but then not going on a ride because of it.

I mean....I don't ride Runaway Railway for this very reason. I think it would be worse to go on the ride and complain about it the entire time. If you don't like, don't ride it. I rode Railway once, thought it was mediocre and said never again.

 

[New Mouse]

Yeah, I want my grocery store bill, my gas bill, my electric bill and my country's political scene to go back to where they were 20 years ago. I think we are both out of luck. It's funny, Walt always predicated everything he did on nostalgia and also change. Change is the only constant anymore. I have come to embrace it as far as Disney goes, Yeah, I literally hate the decision on Splash as that was my favorite ride, and I won't go on it ever again just so I remember it the way I want too, but I understand that Disney had to change it in this day and age. No reason to be mad and go irate over it. So I move on. I will love the new Cars land because I love Cars Land in Disneyland. I like when good things from other parks come to WDW. I think the key is when change is made realize some of the changes you will like, just like some of the rides, and some you won't.

The price of something would be less relevant if they offered more newer things. As for Splash, the retheme bas proven pointless and even worse, they apparently broke the ride system in the process.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I do wish Universal would hold onto a few more things for nostalgia's sake, but almost all of the replacements have been better (NOT all, Fast and Furious rediculousness. ) I appreciate that ET is still there, for nostalgia, but I haven't ridden it in idk how long, probably 8 years. I didn't start going to Universal until 2000, so for me, MiB, Mummy, Jurassic park river adv, and Spiderman are nostalgic. I dont' at miss Twister, Kong, Earthquake, they were pretty lame, especially Twister. Any ride where my short self has to STAND and watch something is not fun to me. Jaws was fun, but it's pretty hokey. I was never a huge fan of the movie, so dont' miss it all that much. I still get a sense of streetmosphere at Universal, that I no longer get at HS. Having characters like Beetlejuice, Doc,Scooby and the gang, are good for nostalgia.
I am a sucker for stuff like the old I Love Lucy experience that used to be at Universal. I loved seeing all the memorabilia. It's why I'll actually miss Launch Bay. It has a lot of cool SW stuff in there, used to have a lot more. Would love to see that kept/moved somewhere. But it's a large, underutilized space that would be nice for the Monsters Inc Land

Twister was so corny but my husband and I watched an interesting video about it a few weeks back They did a lot of cool tech to make it happen but it was not what the original concept was (which was more of a ride not a show). That said it became obsolete as soon as EF ratings were adopted, it was already on its way of slowing down on interest but it was no longer scientifically relevant. BUT I appreciate that they went through the effort of bringing to life that movie. During that era Universal with their various attractions really grabbed onto putting people in the movies in big ways.

Universal does streetmosphere in a very good way. We watched part of the scooby gang play with some kids on a bench in then there's the blue's brothers that come out in their vehicle and stop to allow pics to be taken (then they do their show). Also we saw the construction crew making some noise. I hope they don't get rid of all that but they have been better at doing things that allow people to divert their attention for a bit.

The I Love Lucy area they had was sweet. My husband's grandmother (now passed away) loved I love lucy and I remember getting something for her at the store.

I went to Universal before you but had little memories just because of my age but I think some nostalgia just comes into what attractions you did, what you were able to remember, etc. For Universal in particular the more recent you go the less you have been able to see of the original parks (which are down to basically E.T. for Studios) but it doesn't mean you don't have nostalgia for stuff

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I mean....I don't ride Runaway Railway for this very reason. I think it would be worse to go on the ride and complain about it the entire time. If you don't like, don't ride it. I rode Railway once, thought it was mediocre and said never again.

I don't think anyone should go on a ride and complain about it while on the ride, that's just rude