War Exit Strategy Question.

[DawnCt1]

I am actually laughing out loud.


To your second point, So, insstead of going back to the UN, and telling them we want to keep sanctions so no wmd's are built, instead, we invade, kill 2100+ of our men, injure 15,000, kill thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Iraq'a, because we were under a timetable.....Give me a break.

Mine, Mine, Mine, Wmd, Wmd, Wmd

The French, Germans and Russian were moving towards lifting the sanctions. To return to an impotent, ineffective "body" such as the UN is laughable. The "sanctions" did little to ensure that the money from the "oil for food" program was directed properly.

 

[dennis99ss]

Let me have a belly laugh this time. Who cares about Bin Laden. Iraq is the important thing here?

Last time I walked by the Hole, I don't recall thinking, Saddam did this. I recall thinking Bin Laden did this. I guess you don't get down there often enough to remember. And, if you do, your clouded arguments must have clouded your memory, resulting in a revisionist history of your own.


Dawn, I applaud you for not wanting to invade a country that is harboring Bin Laden, is a breeding ground for islamic radicals, is a breading ground for terrorists. But, tell me, why the shift of heart. Why do you want to treat the islamic radicals in Iraq any different? If we are going to go after the terrorists, which is why we are told we are in Iraq, why not sweep through Pakistan to, and clean them all out.

 

[LakeAriel]

I lost friends in "the hole" and damn right I know the difference between Bin Laden and Hussein! Dawn seems to have inside information that Bin Laden is in Pakistan hmmmmmmmm... same intelliegnce that said Hussein had nukes? WMD's? hmmmmmmmm
Since we can't find him we will say he is impotent! amazing spin
He may be right here in the USA!

PS You forgot about the AMERICANS that were involved in the oil for food scandal.. At least one was from Texas (besides King George)

 

[DawnCt1]

your own.


Dawn, I applaud you for not wanting to invade a country that is harboring Bin Laden, is a breeding ground for islamic radicals, is a breading ground for terrorists. But, tell me, why the shift of heart. Why do you want to treat the islamic radicals in Iraq any different? If we are going to go after the terrorists, which is why we are told we are in Iraq, why not sweep through Pakistan to, and clean them all out.

Because Musharraf has been more than cooperative, at great risk to himself to pursue the terrorists. Why would we attempt to depose a leader who is doing everything he can possibly do? Saddam not only provided shelter for terrorists but he financially supported them. Big difference.

 

[DawnCt1]

I lost friends in "the hole" and damn right I know the difference between Bin Laden and Hussein! Dawn seems to have inside information that Bin Laden is in Pakistan hmmmmmmmm... same intelliegnce that said Hussein had nukes? WMD's? hmmmmmmmm
Since we can't find him we will say he is impotent! amazing spin
He may be right here in the USA!

PS You forgot about the AMERICANS that were involved in the oil for food scandal.. At least one was from Texas (besides King George)

Has anyone heard from Bin Laden in months? How effective is a leader who doesn't lead. His network has been disrupted and destroyed. The most he has going for him is his image. One we haven't seen in months. If Americans were indeed involved in the "oil for food" scandal, it was as individual law breakers, NOT AS REPRESENTATIVES and leaders of our government. Certainly, for you to charge that President Bush was involved in the oil for food scandal, you must have evidence that you can forward to the democrats in Congress. They would hate to miss an opportunity.

 

[Holly]

We are looking for Bin Laden with the cooperation of the countries in the region but I hardly think we need to open another front to search for an impotent figurehead who hasn't been heard from in months.

An impotent figurehead? If I recall correctly, something similar was said about OBL shortly before 9/11.

No one is claiming that Sadaam Hussein is a good guy, he isn't. But when was the last time he was reponsible for masterminding the murders of thousands of U.S citizens on our own soil?

You just go on believing that bin Laden is harmless, Dawn. That is what your political party does best.

 

[DawnCt1]

An impotent figurehead? If I recall correctly, something similar was said about OBL shortly before 9/11.

No one is claiming that Sadaam Hussein is a good guy, he isn't. But when was the last time he was reponsible for masterminding the murders of thousands of U.S citizens on our own soil?

You just go on believing that bin Laden is harmless, Dawn. That is what your political party does best.

You don't feel that destroying at least 75% of the Bin Laden's network has had an impact? I have my doubts that he is even alive. He is certainly less "alive" and far less effective when then, President Clinton turned down offers from the Sudan to hand Bin Laden over in the late 90's. Clearly, his intentions towards the west were well known. Clearly, Clinton knew what Able Danger was about but the 'wall' that was erected by Jamie Garelick, at the behest of the Clinton administration, prevented the knowledge of the hijackers from being shared.

 

[djcruz4fun]

When will liberal America wake up, Bin Laden or Iraq is not the main problem. The problem is Islam or should I say the preachers of Islam, In Ohio an Iman was arrested and being deported for ties to Terrorism, now not all people who practice Islam are bad people or terrorists but they don't try and stop it, We are fighting a religious war that was not declared by us but by the GOVERNMENT of Iran, the PLO, Hezbala, Alquada and Imens preaching hate in mosque all over the Arab world ect... the war started by them is Islam against all other religions in the world, so we can do one of 2 things 1) We can defend our selfs or 2) turn the other cheek and let them KILL Americans like they have done for the last 20+ years Waite we tried the second choice for the last 20+ years it did not work so now we are defending our selfs.
God Bless America

 

[Tanuki]

If we are in a religious war why are our leaders not presenting it to the American people in that light?
Why is it always "it's not a war against Islam, it's a war against terrorism"?
We never hear it publicly stated that it's a religious war from the administration.
Why WOULD you expect "liberals" to wake up?
Maybe you should be asking the Bush administration to "wake up"?

 

[DawnCt1]

When will liberal America wake up, Bin Laden or Iraq is not the main problem. The problem is Islam or should I say the preachers of Islam, In Ohio an Iman was arrested and being deported for ties to Terrorism, now not all people who practice Islam are bad people or terrorists but they don't try and stop it, We are fighting a religious war that was not declared by us but by the GOVERNMENT of Iran, the PLO, Hezbala, Alquada and Imens preaching hate in mosque all over the Arab world ect... the war started by them is Islam against all other religions in the world, so we can do one of 2 things 1) We can defend our selfs or 2) turn the other cheek and let them KILL Americans like they have done for the last 20+ years Waite we tried the second choice for the last 20+ years it did not work so now we are defending our selfs.
God Bless America

I think you would find Tony Blankley's book, The War Against the West; We we win the cultural war" interesting. It would be a disservice to say that "Islam" has declared war on the west, but I think it would be more than accurate to say that a per centage of Islam has declared war on the west and in the context of a religious war. It could be 1 per cent or 10% per cent. There are "experts" who say that the figure is larger than that. Whatever the per centage, it translates into a lot of people. The scenario that took place in France most recently, coincidentally is similar to the fictitious scenario that started Tony Blankley's book. Certainly a jumping off point for the insurgency to set its eyes on Europe.

Secondly, nothing has emboldened our enemy more than the perception that we have an inability to fight a war when the going gets tough. Somalia and the Cole come to mind. Turning the other cheek sends a message that we do not have the resolve to defend ourselves, particularly with this enemy that gets more joy in death than they do in life.

 

[djcruz4fun]

If we are in a religious war why are our leaders not presenting it to the American people in that light?
Why is it always "it's not a war against Islam, it's a war against terrorism"?
We never hear it publicly stated that it's a religious war from the administration.
Why WOULD you expect "liberals" to wake up?
Maybe you should be asking the Bush administration to "wake up"?

Politics my friend Politics

We can not say that kind of thing in America today it is not politically correct.
and It's the "liberals" who made it Politically incorrect to call it like it is

 

[DawnCt1]

If we are in a religious war why are our leaders not presenting it to the American people in that light?
Why is it always "it's not a war against Islam, it's a war against terrorism"?
We never hear it publicly stated that it's a religious war from the administration.
Why WOULD you expect "liberals" to wake up?
Maybe you should be asking the Bush administration to "wake up"?

And what support do you think we would get from Muslim nations if they envisioned the Crusades again? The liberal left would be ranting against the administration for the lack of "diversity and tolerance". Why would I expect liberals to wake up? Pay attention to what the enemy is saying and doing. The rallying cry isn't in the name of a country, nor will they state that its on behalf and in the pursuit of oppression. It is in the name of Allah. There are too many silent Muslims.....with the exception of the huge protests in Jordan. Too many are afraid of reprisals from the ever growing radical element.

 

[richiebaseball]

sigh...............Still looking for WMD's. Shame, should be looking for Bin Laden

So you contend we aren't looking for bin laden?

That theory and your apparent worship of Michael Moore makes you, well, irrelevant.

 

[richiebaseball]

I am actually laughing out loud.

You remind me of the seagulls in Finding Nemo, mine, mine, mine, mine--all saying the same thing, over and over and over. But, in this case, its wmd, wmd, wmd, wmd.

To bad that fish never came up to the surface, huh?

Saddam did use them in the past......the key word you seem to not understand is "in the past", i.e. not the present, i.e. before sanctions, before inspections, etc. Of course, since the use of wmd's in the past is the only justification to go to war that you now have, you simply ignore the fact that nobody has come out and said that the program would be up and running in a couple of months, nobody has said they were present, and all findings indicate that the UN's inspections, and destruction of the materials, used "IN THE PAST" actually worked. Convienent that you forget about that part.

To your second point, So, insstead of going back to the UN, and telling them we want to keep sanctions so no wmd's are built, instead, we invade, kill 2100+ of our men, injure 15,000, kill thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Iraq'a, because we were under a timetable.....Give me a break.

Mine, Mine, Mine, Wmd, Wmd, Wmd

I'll pass on any comment about your Nemo theory.

I am curious though about all this talk about the sanctions working. Sanctions do not effectively target or affect political or military elites. They affect those with the least ability to influence decisions and who are least able to compete for scarce resources. Children, sick, poor, and elderly. You think Saddam was using the oil for food money to feed the masses?

So sanctions have killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Where is your outrage?

And how long would you have continued the sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens?

We should have finished the job in 90-91.

 

[Tanuki]

Great, we've identified the problem here (as conveyed by the conservatives above):

The administration has led the United States into war stating it's for one reason while winking and expecting the American public will figure out what is the real reason.

Then pretends to be surprised when the Muslims are able to figure it out, too.

I don't recall any winking at the American people about why we were in WWII.
no "it's just politics"

And the interesting undertone here is that if you told the American public what was REALLY going on (a religious war) the "liberals" would be against it.

Because you think those "liberals" would be a enough of a majority to put a stop to it? What about Pat Buchanan - was he a "liberal" too? What about Tom Clancy? When I heard the rumor that he thought the war was a bad idea it gave me pause, I must admit.

"Liberal, liberal, liberal" - namecalling is not going to work forever.
People start asking questions sooner or later.

The exit strategy for Iraq is clear - it's election day 2006.

 

[DawnCt1]

Great, we've identified the problem here (as conveyed by the conservatives above):

The administration has led the United States into war stating it's for one reason while winking and expecting the American public will figure out what is the real reason.

Then pretends to be surprised when the Muslims are able to figure it out, too.

I don't recall any winking at the American people about why we were in WWII.
no "it's just politics"

And the interesting undertone here is that if you told the American public what was REALLY going on (a religious war) the "liberals" would be against it.

Because you think those "liberals" would be a enough of a majority to put a stop to it? What about Pat Buchanan - was he a "liberal" too? What about Tom Clancy? When I heard the rumor that he thought the war was a bad idea it gave me pause, I must admit.

"Liberal, liberal, liberal" - namecalling is not going to work forever.
People start asking questions sooner or later.

The exit strategy for Iraq is clear - it's election day 2006.

I didn't think that "liberal" was a dirty word. ....to liberals that is.

Pat Buchanan has always been an isolationist. Nothing has changed. Tom Clancy? Because he writes novels?
What's your opinion? Do you think that there is a religious component or are the insurgents working to liberate Iraq?

 

[Judge Smails]

Dawn, what do you do make this stuff up as you go along? Your knowledge of American history is like something out of a Harry Potter book. Pure fantasy. Do you post stuff like this to justify your support for Bu$h? You can't possibly be doing it to convert the liberals.

Perhaps you could post some useful information like whats the best way to wash blood off your hands?

 

[Holly]

When will liberal America wake up, Bin Laden or Iraq is not the main problem. The problem is Islam or should I say the preachers of Islam, In Ohio an Iman was arrested and being deported for ties to Terrorism, now not all people who practice Islam are bad people or terrorists but they don't try and stop it, We are fighting a religious war that was not declared by us but by the GOVERNMENT of Iran, the PLO, Hezbala, Alquada and Imens preaching hate in mosque all over the Arab world ect... the war started by them is Islam against all other religions in the world, so we can do one of 2 things 1) We can defend our selfs or 2) turn the other cheek and let them KILL Americans like they have done for the last 20+ years Waite we tried the second choice for the last 20+ years it did not work so now we are defending our selfs.
God Bless America

Wow. Your post is very disturbing, as well as inaccurate. Most Muslims do not hate all other religions. Islam is actually a very tolerant religion. It is only a small, extremist group that follows the beliefs you described above.

I really wish people would do some research before they spread lies about things they know nothing about.

 

[Tanuki]

Wow, that's an awfully large elephant in the middle of the living room isn't it?

 

[DawnCt1]

Dawn, what do you do make this stuff up as you go along? Your knowledge of American history is like something out of a Harry Potter book. Pure fantasy. Do you post stuff like this to justify your support for Bu$h? You can't possibly be doing it to convert the liberals.

Perhaps you could post some useful information like whats the best way to wash blood off your hands?

Now THAT'S delusional.