Walt Disney World is not what it used to be..

Hi:tongue:

Yes we had a very nice vacation...We can't wait to go back...There are a few things we missed this go round...We want to go to Beaches and Cream, the Sci Fi Dinner drive in, Check out the wishes fireworks.

Brunette:Pinkbounc
 
Originally posted by brunette8706
Yes we had a very nice vacation...We can't wait to go back...There are a few things we missed this go round

brunette - let us know how your trip in August went when you return.

BTW - now I know what building you are talking about in EPCOT, right before you enter World Showcase - the one that used to be The Odyssey Restaurant. I didn't notice the paint peeling on our last trip.
 
First I must say that spaceship earth is one of my favorite rides. Lets hope it continues into the future. I've heard rumors to the contrary. The state of Epcot is really upsetting. I do love Epcot.

Let's remember the image of Disney that Walt worked so hard to create.

One memory I have is of the street cleaners, if you spilled popcorn they just appeared and cleaned it up. I didn't see any street cleaners on my last trip. I'm sure they were there, but in much less numbers as in pryor years. My little one spilled popcorn, no one came by to sweep it up. You might say that I'm asking to much. Street cleaners can't be everywhere all the time. I'm sure that is what Walt heard. So Walt made sure that it seemed like the street cleeners were everywhere.

I do try to see the possitive. But I see an alarming trend. It doesn't seem as if Mr. Eisner is following Walt Disney's dream.
Mr. Eisner is cutting back on the little things that make Disney special. But yet Eisner and the other board members keep their bonuses. As a true Disney fan, I feel the need to point that out in hope that maybe things will change. I'm not going to fool myself by believing that Disney "Magic" will Prevail. the Magic has to start at the top, and it is not there.

I'll keep wishing for the monorail expansion to WL. To me, the lack of a monorail to a deluxe "Magic Kingdom" resort stands out as a lack of desire by corporate Disney to improve things. Just think, if the current thinking prevailed years ago, we wouldn't have a monorail at all.

Deneen
 
I also remember the street cleaners. Years ago the parks were spotless. On Saturday I was at MK and saw lots of trash. Several bathrooms were dirty but the worst was at Mickey's PhilharMagic. The line area inside was filthy. It looked as if people had been having picnics while in line. There were empty water bottles, chips, popcorn, cups, and all kinds of trash. I kept expecting to see an empty can of corn. ;) This was all on the carpeted queue area. A CM came and emptied the trash can but didn't pick up any trash in the area. It looked really bad.

I don't know if only certain jobs require picking up trash at WDW. At Universal, even the ride attendants (not just custodial staff) are required to sweep and keep their ride/queue area clean.
 

I saw that trash can at Philharmonic when I was there last month. It was at the trash can inside the building. Every night we went to Philharmagic and it was overflowing everynight. I couldn't believe it, it was overflowing with trash all over the ground. Everyone just gasped at the sight of it. There were no CM's other then those needed to man the entrance. Even when the Philharmonic show was over, I was expecting to hear the CM's instructions on exiting and to see CM's on the side we existed. There were none around. It was really weird.

Deneen
 
phamton----- I caught that can of corn. I haven't seen that mentioned in a long time on these boards. Actually I thinking about that the other day when I was at another local attraction and saw people can food.:hyper: :tongue:
 
Originally posted by goofy4tink
At the risk of being argumentative here....I have to say that I don't think I am missing anyone's point. I just have a different reality than you do.

I really think you ARE missing the point. What makes me think that is statements like:

I know that a little peeling paint isn't going to ruin my trip next month.

That statement makes me believe that you think that because I, or brunette, or anybody for that matter notices these things that it ruins our trips - because it doesn't. If that's NOT what you think - mea culpa for misinterpreting.

If that IS what you think, then let me reassure you that it does NOT ruin my trip. I can't wait to go back!

Furthermore, you said:
But what you may feel is horribly lacking in WDW, may not make a difference to my or others experience.

It's not that these things are horrible in themselves. The problem becomes that ALL of these little things add up to a future that's uncertain for the Disney company. Comcast put in a hostile bid to take over the Disney company. IF that had gone through - chances are highly likely that they would have sold off the theme parks. They wanted Disney ONLY because it has ABC and ESPN. The theme parks were just gravy to them. THAT'S the future that those teeny little things add up to for me.

I am NOT trying to detract from your experience, or tell you that you're wrong. What I'm trying to say is that just as you have your right to your reality, I, and those who think like me, have the right to ours. We're not trying to tell you you're wrong. WE don't like being told that WE'RE wrong.

All I know is that WDW is the one place we have found that my whole family enjoys. I haven't seen anything to date that would keep me from going back.

NOR have I. Hence the reason I'm honeymooning there in September.

Now, if you want to talk disrepair...
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I, and I think brunette, are not talking about disrepair. We're talking about a difference between the Disney that was years ago, and the Disney that exists today. Yes - it still is the ultimate theme park experience. Gosh that sounds familiar - cause I said it!!

Originally posted by snackystacky
Disney is the cadillac of theme park experiences.

Anyway - it is still the ultimate theme park experience. But it is not what it used to be.

Originally posted by goofy4tink
we can talk about the 6 Flags here in Mass. That's a place I went once and won't go to again. Dirty, greasy, employees that were surly. Nope...I'll keep paying my thousands of dollars to see the Mouse. But, as I said before...I will keep my eyes open for all those nasty things...over abundance of plywood, dirty bathrooms, overflowing trash cans. There probably was plywood there in Dec but obviously it didn't make a huge impact on me. So, maybe I do have blinders on. I guess I never put them back in the bin after exiting the attraction!!!

I said it once, and I'll say it again. I'm NOT asking for you to look for those things. I AM asking that you not make me feel like I'm letting these things I notice ruin my vacation.
 
Originally posted by deelam
I saw that trash can at Philharmonic when I was there last month. It was at the trash can inside the building. Every night we went to Philharmagic and it was overflowing everynight. I couldn't believe it, it was overflowing with trash all over the ground.

Yes, the trash can was inside the building. I saw a CM empty the trash while we were there around 5:00 PM. It wasn't overflowing though. The trash was all along the queue, everywhere. It was really a mess. I can see if someone accidentally spilled popcorn but this was also trash where people just thew down their cups and wrappers right down on the carpet. One was a bottle of red soda that had red punch dripping on the carpet. Some people are just slobs. I kept expecting that a CM would come in and pick up the trash all along the line but no one did.
 
One evening on our last trip to WDW (July 7-17), I had to search throughout MK to find a bathroom that was clean. The restrooms were filthy. I was shocked. When I walked out of one, I was commenting on the sorry state to my fiance and a CM heard me. He said he'd have someone clean the restroom. I wanted to go to Guest Services and complain but honestly, after everything that's been going on with Disney, I figured I'd be wasting my breath.

We also noticed the overflowing trash everywhere. The trash on the street (and in lines) was horrible. The most disturbing thing was on several of the rides in Fantasyland, there wasn't a CM boarding anyone on the rides. This happened on Snow White, Winnie the Pooh, and Peter Pan. On a few occasions, the CM was too busy chatting to another CM that he/she ignored the guests in line.

The smoking areas were disgusting, also. My fiance smokes and he said that if WDW wants people to use smoking areas, at least keep the ashtrays clean. They were overflowing at EVERY smoking area, no matter which park or the time of day. It was impossible to put out a cigarrette without touching someone else's in the ashtray. We weren't the only people commenting on the state of the parks, but we tried to look past that and enjoy ourselves.
 
NOR have I. Hence the reason I'm honeymooning there in September.
Ah, I didn't want to miss this. Congratulations!

brunette, I PM'd you because my email has been acting up the last few days. If I don't hear from you, I'll try to email you when my email seems to act normal again.

I agree with the comments about the TREND of things. It's not so much that WDW is a complete mess right now, it's the trend in that direction that worries me. The old slippery slope thing if you will.

WDW did let a lot of their maintenance people go according to several reports. It sounds like those who clean up are also fewer in number. Of course, animation has been gutted too. This troubles me because you have to wonder where else they've cut back.
 
I really think Disney is understaffed. I think they cut back on CM's and maintence workers. All the problems would relate to understaffing. I noticed the lack of CM's at the rides too. I guess safety takes a back seat to saving money. That means the existing CM's will be overworked. People tend to not be as nice when overworked. Over the long term this could be bad.
Deneen
 
Let's remember the image of Disney that Walt worked so hard to create.
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Your post is very well written....and the Premise as you mentioned above is exactly my sentiments....

Talk with ya later...

Brunette
 
Originally posted by phamton
the worst was at Mickey's PhilharMagic. The line area inside was filthy. It looked as if people had been having picnics while in line. There were empty water bottles, chips, popcorn, cups, and all kinds of trash.

2 things..............

First, obviously this shouldn't be that way & it should be cleaned up by a CM. There is no excuse for it.

Second, to me that means people in line are complete slobs. We do take snacks into the queue area, but we always make sure we carry our trash until we get to a trash can - ALWAYS! It's sad that people feel it is okay to throw trash on the ground.
 
Sorry -- been away from the computer for a few days. Coming back in late.

Originally posted by brunette8706
I'll explain again...

Each person that enters WDW will cost them $120 a day on average (this includes food, misc. items and a ticket) this does NOT include lodging. This is also a very conservative figure multiply that by 45,000 people (below average attendance figure) per day. That figure comes to 5,400,000.00 A DAY!!! Not including parking and again not including lodging! That total amount comes to a whopping $1,971,000,000.00, that is nearly 2 BILLION dollars a year just in PARK REVENUES, and that total amount is below average! This figure doesn't include all the other "DISNEY STORES world wide either! I'm sure they rake in billions of dollars! Along with all the multimillion dollar films and film sponsors. With that said how much would it cost to paint a few building??? $50,000.00 maybe??? How much would it cost to change the George Lucas film in Star Wars like another poster mentioned??
I do actually understand what you're saying. I think that maybe you don't understand ME. A huge revenue number means absolutely nothing unless you have an expense number to put next to it. Little kids get a $20 bill for their birthday and think that's a lot of money. They look at people who make $15,000 a year and think they're RICH! But we all know that $20 doesn't buy that much and that $15K isn't nearly enough to live on these days. It's all relative to expenses.

How much does it take to change the Star Tours film? I have no idea. I don't make movies. But I do know that changing that film isn't just about the cost. George Lucas has to OK it, and so far ... he hasn't. He's perfectly content with it staying as it is. Disney just can't go out and make another Star Tours film -- Lucas retains creative control. So part of the plea for a new film has to go to him. Would Disney pay for it if Lucas said "go?" I don't know.

How much does it cost to paint a few buildings? Probably not that much, in the big scheme of things. But you don't just paint the building once. You're painting it year after year. Which is why there is a revolving maintenance schedule. In Walt's day, people re-painted things before they needed it, which was a great thought, but unnecessarily expensive and inefficient. Leaving it until it's so bad that it's obvious is also wrong. A middle-ground needs to be reached, and that's what hasn't happened yet.
Also, some people asked me why I bought an annual pass. I bought the pass because I'm going to use it! LOL! I'm going to continue to go to Disney! I just had to give my opinion to a park which 30 years ago nothing could compare....
I'm not sure why other people asked, but the reason I asked why you bought annual passes was because of the tone of your original post. You were so completely surprised and critical about things that were closed, but some were things that have been closed for decades! So I guess I was confused as to why you wouldn't at least check the place out and see if it was still what you thought it was before you put down the money for annual passes. That was the reasoning behind the question. In your OP you didn't really seem to think you'd gotten your money's worth.

Someone made a comment that perhaps YOU were the one that wasn't what they used to be. And by that, I think they meant that you have changed a lot in the past 30 years, and so has Disney. None of us are looking at the parks through the same eyes as we did 30 years ago, and so that has to be put in the mix. I can walk through the parks and see burned-out lightbulbs, peeling paint and fewer CMs. My 7-year-old neice looks at the exact same park and just sees magic. Just depends on your perspective.
Like I said, I like WDW and I will continue to patronize them...but they need alot of work to do to keep up with there once pristine image...that's all...I made these observations along with quite amount of people here that have responded kindly. If you want to be on the top of your league then show some pride...For heavens sakes like I said earlier paint is very low cost.
OK, if we're going to get that simplistic yes ... let's say that paint costs $35 a gallon for the heavy-duty outdoor can-weather-anything paint. And lets say that a gallon of paint can cover a facade of one building on Main Street. Great. So it would cost Disney $35 to repaint that facade. Why aren't they doing it, considering they have a billion dollars sitting around? Because it's not just $35. You've got the hourly cost for the painter (at a minimum 4-hour call based on union guidelines), the salaried cost for that painter's supervisor, the costume that painter wears, and the people and equipment to purchase and maintain the costume. There are the accoutrements of painting -- brushes, buckets, dropcloths, ladders, scaffoding, extension arms, masking tape. And the people who purchase, store and inventory those items. Plus the warehouse or storage area where those items are stored. There are the cleaning supplies to clean up any mess afterwards and the environmentally-correct disposal area for the can and brushes. Plus the people who run and maintain those areas. And their managers. Then you've got the benefits for all of those people, and the staff required to administer those benefits. And the insurance that covers the company in case the painter drops the can on his foot or spills paint on a guest. And the staff required to deal with the insurance. And on and on.

Unfortunately, it's not just about a gallon of paint.

I wholeheartedly agree that there are areas of WDW that need major work. That there are rides and shows that need to be rehabbed and that there are maintenance tasks that have been overlooked for way too long. But to say, "Paint is cheap", as if that gallon of paint is all it takes, isn't seeing the full picture any more than someone who says, "I didn't notice it, so there's nothing wrong."

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I totally concur! I'm not trying to bash Disney...I totally agree with everyone of you! Stacky- You're right WDW is the Cadillac of theme parks...You're right on target, hell we even spent $400 per person for the annual tickets! We're going back again, and again and again.....What I don't understand is why I was bashed by by a few people on the Budget board. From the get go I was slammed....Take it I was a bit condescending but that was after being attacked by several people....I did apologize for that on that board...and guess what I STILL GOT ATTACKED! It's as if I'm talking about someone's mother or something...People become very defensive when it comes to WDW....and here I am letting people know that IT IS A POSTIVE EXPERIENCE...so much so we spent $800 for 2 annual passes. I just don't get it..I was almost to the point of quitting because of the other thread...The issue was about saving money not staying on property. We will be staying at a 5 star resort (The Hyatt Grand Cypress) only because they had a government rate of $99.00 a day. They have extremely nice large rooms and a gorgous 125 acre property, along with beautiful pools, horseback riding, boating and a beach....I'm trying to tell people you can get more bang for your buck ($99.00 a day at Hyatt) than say the Polynesian ($329.00 a day). Hell some people would rather stay at a budget hotel in WDW than stay at a 5 star hotel which is probably cheaper than Disney budget hotel, and that's perfectly fine, it just wasn't condusive for us or our needs. Beth who is a very friendly moderator over there said that there is no wrong way or right way to choose your vacation and I totally concur. But there isn't any reason for someone to attack me after I already apologized....Okay nuff of that..


Anyone been to Beaches and Cream? how bout the Sci Fi Dinner place? I heard rave reviews....anyone else have a review of those two places...?

Hi Melsmice!

I certainly will keep everyone informed on my next trip. We had the greatest time on the trip in May can't wait to go in August...Again, that's why we got annual passes to go back several times a year...

Do you have any suggestions on what great restaurants to go to?? Anybody been to Ohana's Entertainment show?? It used to be called the Luau? Also do you know if it includes drinks?

thanks All!
Brunette
 
One thing I won't do is make excuses for neglectful cutbacks by Disney Corp. If the choke hold continues, Disney will become just another theme park, nothing special at all.

As long as people are happy and spending at Disney why should Eisner put more money in the parks. As long as people are happy and spending money maybe Eisner can cutt back more.

Now, I have spent a ton of money at Disney this past trip. But this was my first trip there in a while and I noticed the cutt backs. I bought an annual pass, so I'm going in October. So I'm not setting an example.

Deneen
 
Sci Fi Diner is a neat place to go. We had a very nice time there and the theming is great. The food is alright. It is not bad but nothing to write home about.

Beaches and Cream. Love that place. They serve one of the best hamburgers and their ice cream sundaes are to die for. It is one of the must go to places when we are at WDW. In fact we will be in Ocala in the next couple of weeks and DH is planning on how we can work it into our schedule to drop off and eat there. He is in love with the No Way Jose sundae and I like the Florida Sunshine. It is a small place, but also have take out. They also have outseating. They just recently closed for breakfast but they are open for lunch and dinner. We try to go on off times to avoid the crowds.
 
As long as people are happy and spending at Disney why should Eisner put more money in the parks. As long as people are happy and spending money maybe Eisner can cutt back more.


You make a good point...After 9/11 the attendance at WDW dipped, so to recoop that WDW increased the price of their tickets....On the other hand Universal had a 25 percent increase...so go figure...but Universal also discounts deeply with their tickets and restaurants...

Again, you made a good point...

Thanks!
Brunette

:Pinkbounc
 
Thanks for your reviews!!! We will certainly check it out!

I hear alot of good things about those 2 places...Have you tried the Ohana's dinner buffet or the luau yet?

thanks!
brunette
 
Maybe you can shoot me off an email when you get a second.....

Talk with ya soon!

I too agree with everything you say!

Thanks Again!
Brunette:wave2:
 



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