Wahoo! Evolution stickers unconstitutional!

[chadfromdallas]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/13/evolution.textbooks.ruling/

ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A federal judge in Atlanta, Georgia, has ruled that a suburban county school district's textbook stickers referring to evolution as "a theory not a fact" are unconstitutional.

All I have to say about this is

 

[WWTBAMFAN]

The "intelligent design" mess was just a thinly disguised way to get the creationism back into the classroom. I am glad that the court did the right thing here.

 

[PneumaticTransit]

Finally, a little common sense. I wonder what all of these devote religious folks would think if they walked into church on Sunday morning to find disclaimer stickers stuck on this inside cover of the Bible. Something to the effect that the Bible is only one theory of the creation of life and to take careful consideration while reading it.

 

[wvrevy]

Finally, a little common sense. I wonder what all of these devote religious folks would think if they walked into church on Sunday morning to find disclaimer stickers stuck on this inside cover of the Bible. Something to the effect that the Bible is only one theory of the creation of life and to take careful consideration while reading it.

I LOVE this idea...lol...Somehow, I don't think it would go over too well

 

[chadfromdallas]

Wow, figured this would have gotten a few more responses

 

[minkydog]

Well, I live in Cobb County and am a fundamentalist Baptist believer, and i thought the stickers were stupid from the get-go. I say, if you don't like the humanist content of the public school education, then take your kids out of school and teach them yourself. And I did just that for 12 years. I happen not to believe in the various theories of evolution(I'm a "young earth" advocate) but I don't think my beliefs should necessarliy supercede the majority who don't believe as I do.

Cathy

 

[chadfromdallas]

I say, if you don't like the humanist content of the public school education, then take your kids out of school and teach them yourself. And I did just that for 12 years.

Exactly! I don't see why the others cannot take up this idea.

 

[simpilotswife]

I'm not sure why there is a problem with the stickers. Evolution is not a fact anymore than creation is. Sure there is some scientific evidence but I would not say it is a fact. What is wrong with people knowing that?

 

[chadfromdallas]

Evolution is not a fact anymore than creation is.

And you are incorrect.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html#proof

What is wrong with people knowing that?

Here is the case and why it is wrong:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/cobb/selman-v-cobb.html

 

[DisDuck]

evolution is not FACT. Where did you study biology? In some species there is almost an unbroken line between early forms and modern forms. Development can be traced quite accurately. The horse is one of the species; so are cats and dogs.

One thing I notice in almost all discussions of evolution that it seems to be focused on the human species. There are other animal species out there to study and evolution holds up quite well for them.

 

[chadfromdallas]

evolution is not FACT.

Im guessing this is a typo

 

[helenabear]

I probably really don't understand the whole deal with how things were taught in school, and I may have been out far too long, but I was taught in all my different public and private schools that evolution is just a theory (Darwin's theory of evolution... not Darwin's FACT of evolution). It's just as much of a theory as the "Big Bang" and "Creationism" is. Even the above link stated "Evolution is the dominant scientific theory"... not a flat out fact.

Granted if they were really trying to get rid of teaching about the theory in school, then I say kudos for getting rid of the stickers. If it was just a clarification, then I don't see the issue with the stickers. Not everyone believes in Darwin's theory, and I don't think it should be taught as fact.

For what it's worth, I am a Christian who believes in all three theories I mentioned. I do not believe you have to have one w/o the other or cannot have Evolution mixed in with Creationism (and that the world wasn't created by a Big Bang guided by God... not to start an argument, but it is possible to think that way).

 

[chadfromdallas]

I probably really don't understand the whole deal with how things were taught in school, and I may have been out far too long, but I was taught in all my different public and private schools that evolution is just a theory (Darwin's theory of evolution... not Darwin's FACT of evolution). It's just as much of a theory as the "Big Bang" and "Creationism" is.[/font]

Read this page:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-intro-to-biology.html

Catch yourself up on the topic. Creationism is 100% bull.

 

[Mickey_loves_Minnie]

I always understood evolution to be a scientific theory made up of facts. The specifics of the theory evolve as more facts come in, and the theory of evolution is the theory of "how" evolution occurs, not "if". Whaddya think?

 

[helenabear]

I admit I do not have time here at work to read such a long page. I never said that the theory of evloution is bull... I actually said the opposite. If I find the time this weekend, I might read the whole link (only got through some of it), but I did go to the bottom and read what they said about Creationism. That's their opinion... I realize there isn't any "scientific data" to back it up, but I have my thoughts and beliefs on it all. Honestly for a while I was an athiest and what brought me back was this world is to amazing to be totally chance... and then it went from there.

That article seems to claim that you have to have all theories to be mutually exclusive (again I could be wrong as I skipped to the end and missed some). I believe, personally, otherwise. And honestly, I don't appreciate being told that what I believe is crap. We can all decide what we want, when we want. I am not going to push my beliefs on one, and I'd appreciate others to not push theirs on me as well.

And I realize this is totally off topic from the original thought of the thread. I just am not entirely sure why it was such a big deal to teach a THEORY as a THEORY. I was hoping someone could explain more because the articles I read didn't say enough to have it make sense to me.

With that I am backing away from this thread quietly...

 

[chadfromdallas]

I always understood evolution to be a scientific theory made up of facts. The specifics of the theory evolve as more facts come in, and the theory of evolution is the theory of "how" evolution occurs, not "if". Whaddya think?

I think you are correct

 

[believe]

I actually think this is a topic that should be left out of the school system, beliefs. I have no problem telling my children about what others believe, but I don't want things taught as 100% fact..that aren't. As helenabear stated....I was also taught it as theory in school, even Creationism was taught that way.

 

[Mickey_loves_Minnie]

I think you are correct

Cool! Do I win a million bucks?

 

[chadfromdallas]

Cool! Do I win a million bucks?

Yup, just print this sucker out:

 

[DisDuck]

Not an actual typo but was trying to be 'sarcastic'. Of course the existence of evolution is FACT. There is plenty of proven scientific evidence tracing the development of a species from lower forms to todays form. That is fact not theory.

Does anyone one here not believe in Asquared + Bsquared = Csquared? What is the name of the mathemtical statement. The Pathagoreum Theory. Since 'theory' is in the title does that make it a 'maybe'; possibly not 'fact'?

It is called The Theory of Evolution because it is a scientific attempt to explain a process. That species alive today developed along a path from lower/common ancestors. That is FACT. The Theory is how they got from there to here, what were the mechanisms.