VWL Groupies & Lovers Thread (Special Collectors Edition 2.5) updated 2 February 2025

Did I never tell you our dates for VWL? 6/3-6/11/2017. I didn't see it listed so I must not have. 57 days! I tear up a little every time I think about walking into the lobby on our arrival day. I really think I am SPOILING my DH so much as this is his first resort stay in 35 years!

I've been to WL once for WCC but I think that's it and it's been several years (probably 10). I've been watching some you tube videos for awhile but now I'm really immersing myself in them. I truly cannot wait!
 
Did I never tell you our dates for VWL? 6/3-6/11/2017. I didn't see it listed so I must not have. 57 days! I tear up a little every time I think about walking into the lobby on our arrival day. I really think I am SPOILING my DH so much as this is his first resort stay in 35 years!

I've been to WL once for WCC but I think that's it and it's been several years (probably 10). I've been watching some you tube videos for awhile but now I'm really immersing myself in them. I truly cannot wait!
It's quite possible (and likely) you mentioned that date in an earlier post; however, as a general rule, I don't post trip dates unless I'm specifically requested to do so. Some folks might not mind mentioning them in passing but don't want a static record that's easily seen--I just wish to make sure I don't make an etiquette faux pas. ;) You are now added, and I gotta say I'm excited for your first trip. I may tear up for you! :thumbsup2
 

It's quite possible (and likely) you mentioned that date in an earlier post; however, as a general rule, I don't post trip dates unless I'm specifically requested to do so. Some folks might not mind mentioning them in passing but don't want a static record that's easily seen--I just wish to make sure I don't make an etiquette faux pas. ;) You are now added, and I gotta say I'm excited for your first trip. I may tear up for you! :thumbsup2
Thank you! I'm a little worried we may ruined for any other resort after this stay!
 
Thank you for this thread. We just got home from our 2017 spring break vacation. Usually we head to Disney but this year we opted to see and meet family in Washington DC. There were some lovely moments but overall not heading to warmth and relaxation on our break proved to be a big mistake. Also after navigating driving to DC and to and from a hotel in the suburbs of DC to various metro stations and paying big bucks for parking, I realize the car and driving free vacation Disney gives us is what I need to really relax. Anyway, now I will not make the same mistake twice and I am already looking for ways to do Disney for spring break 2018.

My mom was hit by a car while out taking a walk in 2012 and after 25 of the worst days of my life in the hospital passed away...almost five years to the day I lost my dad. After her death I decided we needed a really great vacation that year. We had been through the ringer and as an only child with no family other than my husband's, I was emotionally spent. After finally getting through the terrible grief of losing my dad, my mom was in the accident. Anyway to make a very long story short we used some of my inheritance that year and the next to head to VWL for spring break. I was pretty much in a fog for a couple years just trying to deal with working full time and being a good parent and those two trips were the best ever. I felt so much peace at the lodge. Walks in the morning before others woke up...time in the lobby...by the pool. It was healing. My family felt it too. My kiddos love the lodge and having the extra space in a DVC 1 bedroom over a standard hotel room was great. We looked into buying DVC but for various reasons decided it was not a good fit for us. Eventually we decided that as much as we loved the lodge we could not afford to stay there year after year and the last two times we have gone over spring break we just stayed in regular hotel rooms. Not as magical but definitely more affordable as we have been dealing with a change in income and wanting to preserve savings for the kids eventual college. But next year will be our last spring break as a family of four, maybe ever but at least for some time. Our oldest will be off to college and I am a teacher so my break dates are mandated and will be different from hers. So we want to do it big and head back to the lodge.

I am actually sad about all the changes as I thought it was perfect before. But we are looking to go anyway and stay in what was VWL....now Boulder Ridge? Anyway my long introduction to my situation comes with these questions. I was looking at David's Vacation Rental thinking that may be a way to help us afford the vision I have. But when I plug in my dates and look at how much it will cost...I did not think it was much off rack rate. Now Disney has not opened up reservations for next April do I decided to compare a Friday to Saturday stay over Christmas holiday with the David's price and the rack rate is only a few hundred dollars more. Given that booking through Disney direct for DVC gives you Mousekeeping every day, to me it seems almost equal. Is this normal? I thought booking through David's saved a ton of money?

Also, in the past I have managed a 20-30% discount for spring break...which may not happen in 2018 since my dates are near Easter. Is it possible if I get a discounted rate through Disney it could end up cheaper than renting points?

Sure hoping to start saving so that I can make VWL our home next spring break. Wondering if those of you who have experience renting points have any advice.
 
@danceteachermom I rented but from a friend so I got a great deal of $10 a point. This will probably never happen again in my lifetime though she does say maybe in a few years so we'll see. For our next trip, I am going to try to rent privately. There is a board here on the Dis that those who want to rent points post in. You could try that.

I'm a teacher too so we went in summer the last two trips and will again this year. Spring Break is just too much for me. So I don't know too much about the discounts for that time frame. Last year we got 30% off at Saratoga Springs for June but with my Disney VISA we could've gotten 35% at VWL. My mom just wanted to be able to drive up closer to the room so that's why she passed on it. This year though, the discounts aren't as good. I think it just depends on how many bookings are already in their system.

Anyway, thank you for sharing your story. I'm glad to hear how much you enjoy the Lodge. This will be our very first stay!
 
danceteachermom: Let me say upfront that I have little experience renting direct from Disney vs renting from a place like Dave's Rentals. I don't know that you can depend that one way or the other will be cheaper from year to year based on your travel schedule and other factors. Hopefully, someone in this group can provide more info along the lines that Ariel already did. However, I do want to send a hearty "Welcome to the Groupies!" shout out your way. We're glad you found us and hope that you'll chime in frequently. Your story about how the Lodge was a healing place for you is very touching--thanks for sharing. We all have stories about how meaningful the Lodge is to our lives and families, and we're happy you opted to share yours with us. :thumbsup2
 
Good Morning DanceTeacherMom! Thank you for sharing your story, I think we can all feel what you say about WL being peaceful and really helping us to relax. It really is a detox from every day stress. Everything you have said qualifies you as a Groupie. You should be receiving your welcome package from the thread welcoming committee soon. :D

I understand the rental process, but have not done so myself for almost a decade now. My son booked through David's last year and had a good experience. His site should be offering points to you at about $15 per point the last time I checked.

Be sure when you are looking at David's and Disney's bookings that you're comparing apples to apples. The DVC rooms directly through Disney this far out will be at a premium and David's calculator should show a significant savings. In the past I found the only way to come close to the cost of renting is to stay at a moderate, using a Disney discount of 25% or better. Right now, the spring of 2018 is not available to view on Disney's website, but you can bet they'll be way up there price wise.

Good luck with your decision, and welcome to the Groupies!


After some research (It's good to stay in touch with how this works):
David's is currently renting points at $15/point. For any reservations further than 7 months out, you need home resort advantage points which are harder to match up, so he has them listed at $17/pt. This is still a significant savings over Disney prices.

Example: Grabbing a reservation quote off each site to compare:
Boulder Ridge Studio, September 10-17
David's: $1605.00 (no tax charged)
Disney: $3,079.16 with tax​

That is with the $15 per point price. But even at $17 per point cost were this a reservation with the surcharge, the price for the 107 points needed would be $1819. Still a huge savings.
 
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@danceteachermom ... welcome to VWL Lovers thread! Always great to see kindred spirits (those who love WL) drop by and post. :)

I can't shed a lot of light on renting from Davids but one of the reasons you may not be seeing much difference is that you are going in the highest points-per-night season during Spring Break. And if you plugged in Christmas (between December 20 & New Years) you will find the same thing. Davids rental recently upped their prices to reflect members higher costs over the past few years. So it may or may not be the best deal...you are wise to keep all options open and keep looking around.

It wasn't on your list but have you checked out the Swan & Dolphin pricing? It seems to me that they have a significant educator's discount and even though they are not Disney owned they are on the property and share Disney transportation. Just another option.

Good luck with your search for your trip. :)
 
I was looking at David's Vacation Rental thinking that may be a way to help us afford the vision I have. But when I plug in my dates and look at how much it will cost...I did not think it was much off rack rate. Now Disney has not opened up reservations for next April do I decided to compare a Friday to Saturday stay over Christmas holiday with the David's price and the rack rate is only a few hundred dollars more. Given that booking through Disney direct for DVC gives you Mousekeeping every day, to me it seems almost equal. Is this normal? I thought booking through David's saved a ton of money?

Also, in the past I have managed a 20-30% discount for spring break...which may not happen in 2018 since my dates are near Easter. Is it possible if I get a discounted rate through Disney it could end up cheaper than renting points?

Sure hoping to start saving so that I can make VWL our home next spring break. Wondering if those of you who have experience renting points have any advice.

I looked it up and certainly isn't as high as you sometimes find it (as in the example above). Although in the fri-Saturday over Christmas scenario you reference, it was $1000 more with Disney direct for the 1 bedroom which I would still consider a decent chunk of change. I have checked cash pricing a few times before and I'm used to seeing significantly greater differences between the two prices. Unfortunately I don't have familiarity with spring break pricing specifically.

Thank you for sharing your story. We don't mind sharing our beloved lodge with other like minded folk.
 
Thanks so much to everyone who replied to my question about rentals. I can really feel the same love I have for VWL as I have on this thread and it makes me happy. My connection to the lodge has to do with getting a reprieve from grief and stress when I am there. For some reason the lodge just makes me relax and be in the moment more than other Disney resorts. Other than sitting at the main pool mid-day it has never felt too crowded for me. I am determined to find a way to make our last family spring break next year happen at VWL. I might even just take a second job. :)

I do appreciate the advice. I really can't compare apples to apples yet because Disney has not released reservations and prices for 2018. On the David's site, the dates I am looking at (March 30 - April 7) would be $6698 at Boulder Ridge Villas in a 1 bedroom. This is as expensive week because not only is it spring break...it is also Easter weekend (April 1). I also want to book more than 7 months in advance so the price is higher. I used the chart on David's page.

Since Disney's reservations are not open yet for this time, I figured the best I could compare to was Christmas week. On My Disney Experience, a 1 bedroom villa at BRV for a Friday - Saturday stay over the holiday would be $6948. So renting points with David's would save me just $250 dollars. However I would lose the daily Mousekeeping which is so nice on vacation. If we rented, we'd probably add it twice during the stay...so that makes the savings even less.

Maybe I am doing something wrong here. Perhaps Easter week/spring break will be more expensive than Christmas week? Maybe the price is lower due to ongoing construction?

Hoping for a discount through Disney Visa or a package discount. :)

Just reading so much of this thread has me really anticipating another lodge stay. I hope the changes do not make it feel crowded and preserve the serenity I have found there. We stayed at the Yacht Club during Easter week one year and it was crazy feeling. You had to get in line and stake out a chair when the pool opened. Never felt that at VWL.

We are feeling so bad that we skipped Disney this year. I am definitely not going back to school feeling rested and ready for the crazy 60-80 hour work weeks I'll have the next couple of months. Knowing I am already planning for next year helps me feel better.

Again I so appreciate your welcoming responses.
 
Thank you for sharing your story dancemom. It's interesting how your "lodging" can really affect the feel and memories of your vacation. I hope spring 2018 is everything you want it to be. Sitting here at OKW with 2 of my 3 children I can definitely relate to those last few vacations as a family of five. I'm hoping there will still be a few more in the future, but I remember feeling panicked that we might only have a few more vacations left before our oldest went off to college.
We checked into our OKW studio this afternoon. We are only here for 3 nights, so we did the OKW studio so that we have 2 beds and the girls aren't whining about the sofa bed. I got my request of peninsular road, and the studio seems to be in great condition. Oddly enough, we have only stayed at OKW one other time and I'm convinced that we are in the exact same spot that we were in last time. Only this time it's a studio, the last time it was the adjoining one bedroom. I like being this close to the hospitality house. The room was ready around 2:00, even though we didn't get here til about 6. We went to Disney Springs tonight. All I can say is WOW! It's been over a year since our last visit and the growth down there is amazing. DH and I really liked the new areas. The new bus only lanes are the best. We were going to take the boat down to D Springs, but as we walked by the bus stop the bus pulled up, so we just hopped on. When we left the bus was there waiting on us and probably only took 10-12 minutes to get us back to the resort. Considering the amount of traffic, I didn't think that was bad at all. Ate at our usual Wolfgang puck express. I've made no dining reservations for this short trip, so I guess we'll just be flying by the seat of our pants for all meals. Tomorrow will be Epcot and AK at night. Hoping that somehow we can see the new night show at AK even though we won't have a FP.
Was hoping to run by at some point and check out the lodge, but not sure we will be able to squeeze it in.
 
Sure hoping to start saving so that I can make VWL our home next spring break. Wondering if those of you who have experience renting points have any advice.

Mousesavers has the 2017 rack rates for all the different resorts. Boulder Ridge can be found here: https://www.mousesavers.com/2017-villas-at-wilderness-lodge-room-rates-season-dates/

You say, you want to be there March 30 to April 7, 2018. If we look at where Easter falls this year, this would be the equivalent to a stay April 14 to April 22, 2017 (arriving on Friday before Easter and leaving the Saturday after Easter, 8 nights. So, using the rack rates for 2017 this is peak season at $ 878 per night (the rates already include tax), so $ 7024 in total. It seems that Easter is more expensive than Christmas (by a little).

The same time frame costs 394 DVC points. So, with David's charging you 17$ per point, it comes to the $ 6698 that you already mentioned.

I agree with you that it seems that renting is not that great of a deal there. I think part of that is that the DVC point structure still gives you a far better deal for off season while WDW hotel pricing has become more flat over the years, i.e. expensive all year around. So, the real deals are to be had for those times that once were off season (like October and December). Looking at the prices on Mousesavers, you can see the lowest rate for a one bedroom os $ 622. The highest is § 878, so not a huge difference. With DVC points however, the difference is much larger. The lowest points per night for a one-bedroom is 28 points at VWL, the highest is 53 points. You can see how renting points in the lower point season will give you more of an advantage.

Also, your stay is 8 nights, but three of those nights are weekend nights that cost more points than the nights Sunday through Thursday.

A few things to take into account when making a decision:

Rack rates tend to go up every year it seems and usually around 5%. So, if you add another 5% to the 2017 rack rate, you come out with about $ 7375.

I am no longer an expert on discounts and availability since I bought into DVC, but I have heard that availability has become more and more limited. Also, Easter is truly the most busiest time of the year at WDW (yes, it does beat Christmas, the weather is nicer), so I am not sure you can count on any discounts appearing and then I am not sure they would be available for one bedrooms at VWL. The DVC rooms are mainly outside the normal WDW booking system. WDW owns 2% of all the DVC points at VWL and can rent out those as normal hotel rooms. Besides that they get points when DVC members exchange their points for other options, so they can use those points to make rooms available to be booked through them. But the majority of DVC availability will be taken up by DVC members.

And finally, since you are looking into renting nearly 400 points, of course the price you pay per point makes a huge difference. You can also look at the Rent/Trade board here on the DIS: https://www.disboards.com/forums/dvc-rent-trade.29/ Prices there tend to be lower than through one of the brokers (like David's) as you cut out the commission for the broker. So, if you can rent there for $ 15 per point, you will save another $ 800.

Hope this helps and you will be able to have the magical vacation that you deserve!!
 



















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