Viva la ZELL!

[Toby'sFriend]

The speech was good, just like every other speech during the Democratic and Republican conventions. At this level in the political game, all of the speeches are good - I expect nothing less.

pretty much, yes. I'm always kind of amazed at how the speeches play in our house compared to what I read on the DIS the next morning. My husband is our family token Republican...at best he wasn't incredibly impressed by last night. He was pretty tired though and maybe that was part of the reason. He did say that he thought Cheney fell pretty flat.

I'm not really surprised that undecided voters were moved by the speech. It is the only side of they equation they were shown.

 

[Saffron]

I understand completely why WillyJ brought up Miller's past. You are right ThAnswr, times were different then, just as they were in the late 60's and 70's. It seems okay to constantly question Kerry about his past, but somehow not Miller. I don't know, is it because he's not running for president? I just know that if Kerry's past is going to be brought up, whether he's changed or not, then why not anyone elses? I'm sure Will brought it up to show people, that when you open the door to the past, you have to open it all the way, just not to the parts you want to see. Yes times were different, people do change, but sometimes their ideas an ideals don't, they are timeless. (That's in defense of Kerry, not accusing Miller of anything)

I don't know much about politics or politicians, it's not my thing, so I don't really know anything about this Miller guy. Thanks for posting that speech disney4us2002. My question is, if he is so connected with the Republican party, why not switch? It's kind of strange to me to want to be connected and affliated with one party, yet refusing to come out and claim that party for yourself. That's kind of weird. The Democratic party didn't leave him, the party lines are still the same. He left the party. Get moving guy! Seriously, in my opinion, just from the little bit I saw of the speech last night, and the speech I read here, the guy is somone the Republicans can have!

I'm glad to hear he did a lot for education in Georgia though.

 

[Saffron]

Sorry ThAnswr. I just read this part of your post:

Sidebar: I was one of those who participated in the Moratorium of October 15, 1969 and I was just one of 20,000,000 other Americans. Then, we were referred to as unpatriotic and "commie sympathizers". Funny how history repeats itself.

If we going to judge someone's actions in the past, let's examine the complete past including the historical context.

However, if John Kerry is going to be judged completely out of historical context by what he did 33 years ago, then it's fair game for anyone. I'm not sure many people want to go down that road.

And that's what I was trying to say in my last post, that's what I think Will is doing because of what he's seen posted here on the DIS in the last couple of weeks. Is it the right thing to do? No. And that's exactly his point or his cause by doing it. I hope I'm making sense.

 

[treesinger]

Loved Zell's speech. I like a little fire and brimstone now and then. even if it was rather over the top. (REALLY over the top actually. Loved it nonetheless). I especially like his point about our soldiers being treated and seen as liberators, not occupiers.

Cheney was flatter than a pancake. A few choice remarks were attention grabbers, but I almost fell asleep on him.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Forget about the part about liberators rather than occupiers, that resonates so much with me. So many here at my ultra-liberal school continuously direct disparaging remarks at our military with the use of the would occupiers. Zell's speech really struck a nerve with me, it gave me goosebumps and made me sad for the disdain many have for the liberation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[wvrevy]

In testimony before the Senate Appropriations Committee, Defense Subcommittee, he said, “This is just a list of some of the programs that I've recommended termination: the V-22 Osprey, the F-14D, the Army Helicopter Improvement Program, Phoenix missile, F-15E, the Apache helicopter, the M1 tank, et cetera.” In testimony before the House Armed Services Committee, he said, “The Army, as I indicated in my earlier testimony, recommended to me that we keep a robust Apache helicopter program going forward, AH-64…I forced the Army to make choices…So I recommended that we cancel the AH-64 program two years out.”

Who is he ? That would be that bastion of freedom, DICK CHENEY.

Here are a couple more:

"Defense Secretary Richard Cheney announced a cutback... of nearly 45 percent in the administration's B-2 Stealth bomber program, from 132 airplanes to 75..." (Boston Globe, 4/27/90)

The F-14D Tomcat program was cut by "Secretary Cheney" and all F-14D tomcat production was officially terminated in March 1990.


So, how did you guys like it when ol' Zell went up there and said that the VP was weak on defense ?

 

[wvrevy]

Wow...I post some facts, and suddenly the Republicans scatter like someone just flipped the light switch.

Oh, and ol' Zell didn't stop at criticizing Cheney last night. He also criticized the big guy himself. See, Zell HATES it when American forces are called "occupiers"...so what must he think of Dubya's quote below ?

"Some citizens are fearful of stepping up. And they were happy -- they're not happy they're occupied. I wouldn't be happy if I were occupied either."

April 13, 2004 press conference

See...Zell was lighting up the Republican ticket last night, and you guys didn't even pay attention

 

[ead79]

originally posted by Pete's Mom
Well, let me enlighten you! Speaking as a resident, I think you would be hard pressed to find any fellow Georgians on this board who would agree to that statement. Political parties aside, Zell Miller has gained a tremendous amount of love and support from it's people during his long dedicated service to Georgia, including those who did not vote for him initially (like me).

I can tell you that a lot of Georgia children including my son have benefited and will continue to benefit for years to come thanks to Senator Zell Miller and what he has done for education in our state and I would say that even if he were supporting Kerry.

ITA! He is extremely well respected by Georgians on both sides of the political aisle. I was fortunate enough to benefit from the Hope Scholarship and from the improved education system in Georgia.

 

[ead79]

Incidentally, all of the Republicans have not scattered. I don't care to debate about partial quotes taken out of large committee hearings (on either side--I just think that things can be easily manipulated via partial quoting by BOTH sides of the aisle). Incidentally, it wasn't the portion of Senator Miller's speech about the defense programs that I found most compelling.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by ead79
Incidentally, all of the Republicans have not scattered. I don't care to debate about partial quotes taken out of large committee hearings (on either side--I just think that things can be easily manipulated via partial quoting by BOTH sides of the aisle). Incidentally, it wasn't the portion of Senator Miller's speech about the defense programs that I found most compelling.

Lol...Suddenly NOW you're concerned about "partial quotes taken out of large committee meetings"....Hmmm...If it was John Kerry, I wonder if you'd be as forgiving ?

But let's move on, shall we....What part was it that was so compelling ? Was it when the "good" senator was trying to scare you with dire threats to your family, should Kerry be elected ? Or maybe it was when he was lying about Kerry's flip flopping ? Or perhaps it was when he was frothing at the mouth after his speech and challenging reporters to duels ?

Zell Miller is an embarrassment to himself, his family, and the state of Georgia....and I hope the Republicans are happy with him.

 

[ead79]

Yes, as a matter of fact I would be. If you search my posts you will see that I never jump on the anti-Kerry bandwagon over quotes taken out of context. That's why I mentioned that it bothers me when BOTH sides of the aisle take quotes out of context. As a side note that you might also find interesting, I have never criticized Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. He did something that I could never do in fighting a war for our country, and for that I commend him.

I did find the portion of the speech about supporting our troops as liberators to be quite moving. I also find it to be compelling that Senator Miller, who has never previously supported a Republican candidate (for Presidency or any other office, I believe) is supporting President Bush. Also, I did not view Senator Miller's comments about the safety of America/his family to be "dire threats." I simply thought that Miller was saying that he feels that President Bush is the man more capable of keeping this country safe in the times we now live in. I don't see Senator Miller as an embarrassment to our state in any way.

I think that we can both admit that we tend to put more stock in what people say when we agree with them. In other words, since I am a Republican/conservative, I am more likely to find Senator Miller's speech to be compelling than you are. Likewise, you most likely put more stock in what was said at the DNC than I would. Each of us supports what those who agree with us have to say, such is the nature of people.

 

[Patch'sD]

I thought Millers Speach was a little tough on Kerry, However I enjoyed Dick Cheney's speach, it was like he was just having a duscussion.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Lol...Suddenly NOW you're concerned about "partial quotes taken out of large committee meetings"....Hmmm...If it was John Kerry, I wonder if you'd be as forgiving ?

But let's move on, shall we....What part was it that was so compelling ? Was it when the "good" senator was trying to scare you with dire threats to your family, should Kerry be elected ? Or maybe it was when he was lying about Kerry's flip flopping ? Or perhaps it was when he was frothing at the mouth after his speech and challenging reporters to duels ?

Zell Miller is an embarrassment to himself, his family, and the state of Georgia....and I hope the Republicans are happy with him.

I fail to see how he is an embarrassment. He is a free-spirit, whether you agree with him or disagree with him. And like John McCain, Ralph Nader, and Howard Dean, I believe he is doing what he is doing because he thinks it is best for the country. I do not think this is for personal gain, he believes, as do I, that it is absolutely essential to do whatever necessary to keep a strong leader in charge.

Whether you think his speech was full of half-truths or not, I do not know why you consider him an embarrassment. I applaud any free thinker such as John McCain, Bob Smith, or Howard Dean who does not let his party's politics of the moment dominate the way he chooses to conduct his public affairs. BRAVO ZELL.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by ead79
Yes, as a matter of fact I would be. If you search my posts you will see that I never jump on the anti-Kerry bandwagon over quotes taken out of context. That's why I mentioned that it bothers me when BOTH sides of the aisle take quotes out of context. As a side note that you might also find interesting, I have never criticized Senator Kerry's service in Vietnam. He did something that I could never do in fighting a war for our country, and for that I commend him.

I don't need to search, as I'm usually on those threads and you're right, I don't recall you as one of those pushing the lies of the right. As to your views on Vietnam, it's just a shame that the Republican Party doesn't feel the same way, since most of them also had other things to do rather than defending the country.

Originally posted by ead79
I did find the portion of the speech about supporting our troops as liberators to be quite moving. I also find it to be compelling that Senator Miller, who has never previously supported a Republican candidate (for Presidency or any other office, I believe) is supporting President Bush. Also, I did not view Senator Miller's comments about the safety of America/his family to be "dire threats." I simply thought that Miller was saying that he feels that President Bush is the man more capable of keeping this country safe in the times we now live in. I don't see Senator Miller as an embarrassment to our state in any way.

If that is what he was saying, then that is what he should have said. Instead, he comes up with juvenile "spitball" lines and tries to paint Kerry as the most liberal person since Lenin. I can respect somebody that "respectfully disagrees"....But that's not what Miller was doing.

Originally posted by ead79
I think that we can both admit that we tend to put more stock in what people say when we agree with them. In other words, since I am a Republican/conservative, I am more likely to find Senator Miller's speech to be compelling than you are. Likewise, you most likely put more stock in what was said at the DNC than I would. Each of us supports what those who agree with us have to say, such is the nature of people.

Oh, I dunno...If it's coming from the DNC headquarters, I'm probably gonna take it with a grain of salt (not a big Terry McCauliff fan). Still, the contrast between the DNC keynote speech - Brack Obama's inspirational message of hope - and the RNC speech - Miller's hate filled, fear inspiring rhetoric - was striking. Frankly, I think Zell did the dems a HUGE favor. The contrast between the positive message the Dems are trying to convey and the hate-filled rhetoric that the republicans are spewing couldn't have been more clear.

 

[Olaf]

Zell's speech was so refreshing. It wasn't one of those phoney, scripted, focused-grouped speeches that are normally dished out at conventions. Cheney was on the money too.

Zell Miller is an old-fashioned Democrat. The party left him, he didn't leave the party.

It was an absolute riot listening to the liberal talking heads immediately trying to characterize his speech as "hateful" and over the top. It ain't gonna work this time. Zell is a Democrat and that's going to carry weight out there in middle America.

I didn't have very high expectations for this convention, but I've been pleasantly surprised. Every speech so far has been great!

 

[Olaf]

Here's what Terry McAuliff had to say about Zell's speech.

"I gotta tell you whoever was the booker who booked Zell Miller I assume that person has been fired today because it was just a spew of rage and that is not what the American People want today," says Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

This man obviously doesn't have a clue.

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Originally posted by Olaf
Here's what Terry McAuliff had to say about Zell's speech.

"I gotta tell you whoever was the booker who booked Zell Miller I assume that person has been fired today because it was just a spew of rage and that is not what the American People want today," says Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

This man obviously doesn't have a clue.

Which means McAuliffe is out of touch, like most rich liberal elitists. Every single independent friend/family member absolutely loved the speech and was very moved. Like I said earlier, it motivated my mother to vote for the first time in her 42 years. This speech was possibly the best speech in Republican Convention history. What a humdingah!

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Olaf
Here's what Terry McAuliff had to say about Zell's speech.

"I gotta tell you whoever was the booker who booked Zell Miller I assume that person has been fired today because it was just a spew of rage and that is not what the American People want today," says Chairman Terry McAuliffe.

This man obviously doesn't have a clue.

Well, you're right about one thing....somebody doesn't have a clue, alright

But that's ok....Just keep showing America what you are really about...Lies...hate....fear.....Today's republican party

 

[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Well, you're right about one thing....somebody doesn't have a clue, alright

But that's ok....Just keep showing America what you are really about...Lies...hate....fear.....Today's republican party

Kind of like your hate and fear of the Commander in Chief of our troops, as evidenced by the pathetic image in your sig. During a time of war, your main purpose on a Disney World message board is to bring down the leader of the armed forces.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Zell Miller is an embarrassment to himself, his family, and the state of Georgia....and I hope the Republicans are happy with him.

Originally posted by wvrevy
I've never put down Lieberman, other than to call him "Bush lite" (which I would certainly think of as an insult, but not sure why you would).

Originally posted by wvrevy
It's easy to tell when Republicans are lying.....Just wait 'till their lips start moving

Originally posted by wvrevy
And yes, John McCain is a sellout

Originally posted by wvrevy
Same ol' tactics....When you can't defend your side, attack the other.

Nuff said.