VGF2 or RIV direct

[Sandisw]

Yeah, but it’s double talk to push resale restrictions from RIV going forward and then loop back and make more points available on a sold out resort without resale restrictions. They can do it, but it’s sloppy logic at best. Are these new points becoming available after RIV or not?

I think when things changed and they had to scrap Reflections, the long game they had in mind for the resale restrictions has to be put on pause.

Not sure what you mean by points after RIV?

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Yeah, but it’s double talk to push resale restrictions from RIV going forward and then loop back and make more points available on a sold out resort without resale restrictions. They can do it, but it’s sloppy logic at best. Are these new points becoming available after RIV or not?

If you mean will Riviera be sold out before VGF goes back on sale? That answer would be no, Riviera will not sell out in the next year.

 

[Bjaiken77]

I think when things changed and they had to scrap Reflections, the long game they had in mind for the resale restrictions has to be put on pause.

Not sure what you mean by points after RIV?

I’m just asking a semi-rhetorical question: These points are going on sale after RIV so it’s not right that they are free of restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

I’m just asking a semi-rhetorical question: These points are going on sale after RIV so it’s not right that they are free of restrictions.

Got it! Personally, it doesn’t bother me that these will most likely be restrictions free because I do believe at some point, when a new resort is built, they will carry them.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Got it! Personally, it doesn’t bother me that these will most likely be restrictions free because I do believe at some point, when a new resort is built, they will carry them.

I’m just not a fan of going backwards after having gone forward. Like I said in another thread, DLT is a semi-test but not really. That’ll sell out super fast no matter what. But they need to be consistent. All resorts going forward need to have resale restrictions if that’s the route they’ve decided to go.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I’m just asking a semi-rhetorical question: These points are going on sale after RIV so it’s not right that they are free of restrictions.

Why? They sell points every day that don't have the same restrictions as RIV. This is an addition to an existing DVC association that also doesn't have the same resale restrictions as RIV.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

Why? They sell points every day that don't have the same restrictions as RIV. This is an addition to an existing DVC association that also doesn't have the same resale restrictions as RIV.

And that is why I suspect these won't carry restriction aside from the typical: if sold, they will be ineligible to book RIV, but will be good for O14. But they won't be full restricted to only VGF forever.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Why? They sell points every day that don't have the same restrictions as RIV. This is an addition to an existing DVC association that also doesn't have the same resale restrictions as RIV.

Because it’s a sold out resort. If you’re throwing more points into the pool, and they come after you’ve established a resale restriction, they should all follow the same rules. If you want to separate VG1 points usable only at VG1 without resale restrictions from VG2 points that can only be used at VG2 with restrictions, I have no problem with that.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Because it’s a sold out resort. If you’re throwing more points into the pool, and they come after you’ve established a resale restriction, they should all follow the same rules. If you want to separate VG1 points usable only at VG1 without resale restrictions from VG2 points that can only be used at VG2 with restrictions, I have no problem with that.

No resort is ever actually sold out though. It just moves out of active marketing. DVC has been selling VGF points every month direct since they started sales.

 

[Bjaiken77]

No resort is ever actually sold out though. It just moves out of active marketing. DVC has been selling VGF points every month direct since they started sales.

Of course, and no resort will ever sell out as long as they can ROFR points. So if they want to build this new VG2 without introducing any more points into the system, I’m fine with that. It at least checks out logically with that approach. But that won’t happen. So any new points introduced into the system should be subject to resale restrictions. The association may be old but the additional points are new. I’m fact, newer than RIV.

 

[Littlelulu01]

Can see the quick and easy hotel to dvc conversion become the new trend. Makes no sense to restrict Rivera while allowing every other resort resale access to these new gfv units. Wilderness lodge could sell new inventory as Ccv. Contemporary can add to BLT.....Poly can convert another long house or so.....

All those new direct points at gfv get to book Rivera. All the current points that qualify direct or resale grandfathered get to book Rivera. But Rivera is the sole resale that can’t book anything other than Rivera?

Additional points into a one sided system makes Rivera even harder to book at 7 months. Rivera resale AND direct owners will have a really tough time booking. I honestly don’t think dvd will mess up Rivera like that. Rivera as the only outlier with severe restrictions while allowing floods of new inventory to continue to enter Rivera limited inventory would be really messed up!

 

[Anthony Vito]

It's been mentioned or alluded to, but one factor in the original question of RIV/VGF"2" is availability. A lot of people have a lot of different issues with the resale restriction - my issue, as an owner there (and part of the reason to own there for me) and as someone for whom re-selling the contract is not a big factor, is the potential difficulties in booking at Riviera once there are more resale owners who can only book at Riviera who will likely be booking in the 7 - 11 month range. That's the only way the resale restrictions impact me as a direct Riviera owner (owner - not seller). It has the potential, however, to have a rather substantial impact.

That being said, I think that's actually a reason to go with RIV over VFG in this case (especially since you already own a significant # of VFG points). The new "VGF2" addition should make it easier to get into VFG at the 7-month mark, whereas having RIV points to use at 11-months will likely only become more important to have if you want to book at RIV, as you have stated to be the case.

So, since, at least theoretically, VGF should get easier to book, and RIV will likely only get harder, it makes more sense to get the RIV points in order to have that option - especially given how many points you already have to be able to use at the 7-month mark. It would seem "diversifying" and adding the option of RIV at 11 months makes the most sense for your "portfolio" of points.

 

[Bjaiken77]

Can see the quick and easy hotel to dvc conversion become the new trend. Makes no sense to restrict Rivera while allowing every other resort resale access to these new gfv units. Wilderness lodge could sell new inventory as Ccv. Contemporary can add to BLT.....Poly can convert another long house or so.....

All those new direct points at gfv get to book Rivera. All the current points that qualify direct or resale grandfathered get to book Rivera. But Rivera is the sole resale that can’t book anything other than Rivera?

Additional points into a one sided system makes Rivera even harder to book at 7 months. Rivera resale AND direct owners will have a really tough time booking. I honestly don’t think dvd will mess up Rivera like that. Rivera as the only outlier with severe restrictions while allowing floods of new inventory to continue to enter Rivera limited inventory would be really messed up!

That’s exactly right!!! They can keep adding points after RIV into the system, but those points are free and clear without restrictions. That’s not right. I don’t care whether they go into an existing condo association or not. They are new points entering the system after an established restriction.

Whats next? Backing up blue card restrictions to what they were when the original hotel (VGF) went on sale? No way! Once a restriction goes into place, it needs to be applied to all points entering the system, and all new member contracts, going forward.

 

[Roughians_satchel]

I still don't get how VGF2 being a part of VGF1 association prevents them from having restrictions. Let me ask it this way, if they want to get rid of the restrictions for Riviera, do they have to somehow change Riviera's association rules for all members? Are they allowed to change the association rules?

How is DVC allowed to add further and further limits to resale points (for instance, current resale contracts can't be used at Riviera) without changing everyone's associations???

I also agree as someone who owns direct from Riviera, they way they're doing this completely screws us (in terms of an unfair advantage in booking.)

 

[Climhazzard]

If the VGF2 don't have restrictions on new points I think it's a no-brainer. Riviera is nice but doesn't really have a standout feature other than the rooms are brand new. I'm sure these rooms will be just as nice, with a better location, nicer resort and will give you an advantage on rooms that will certainly be more competitive to book.

 

[Bjaiken77]

If the VGF2 don't have restrictions on new points I think it's a no-brainer. Riviera is nice but doesn't really have a standout feature other than the rooms are brand new. I'm sure these rooms will be just as nice, with a better location, nicer resort and will give you an advantage on rooms that will certainly be more competitive to book.

for me, it’s still going to depend on cost. I own at RIV, am happy to own at RIV, but would consider adding on at VGF2 if the price is reasonable. If points come out at $255/point (just as an illustrative example), it would be too much for me. Even as a new buyer, it’d be too much for me and push me towards RIV.

 

[dez1978]

I already have 600 VGF points and 1200 SSR points. None of which are direct

I have nothing valuable to add to the discussion. Just came here to say OMG thats a crap ton of points!!! I will never have enough vacation time to use that many points in a year, which now makes me kinda jealous lol. The nosey person in me needs to know how many trips you go on a year. Do you just rent out what you don't use? Feel free to ignore my questions if you want lol. It just never occurred to me that there are people with that many points (I'm sure there are several here now that I think about it) so I'm in awe

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I still don't get how VGF2 being a part of VGF1 association prevents them from having restrictions. Let me ask it this way, if they want to get rid of the restrictions for Riviera, do they have to somehow change Riviera's association rules for all members? Are they allowed to change the association rules?

How is DVC allowed to add further and further limits to resale points (for instance, current resale contracts can't be used at Riviera) without changing everyone's associations???

I also agree as someone who owns direct from Riviera, they way they're doing this completely screws us (in terms of an unfair advantage in booking.)

The Riviera POS was written to allow DVC to remove the restrictions if they chose to or even to potentially offer the ability, for a fee, to have your resale points changed from non-qualified to qualified as if they were purchased direct.

VGF had no such items in their POS.

 

[Bjaiken77]

The Riviera POS was written to allow DVC to remove the restrictions if they chose to or even to potentially offer the ability, for a fee, to have your resale points changed from non-qualified to qualified as if they were purchased direct.

VGF had no such items in their POS.

I would suggest they exercise this option in light of the direction they’ve now chosen. Not just for RIV, but for all future resorts. It’s a bad, divisive policy.

 

[sethschroeder]

potentially offer the ability, for a fee, to have your resale points changed from non-qualified to qualified as if they were purchased direct.

As long as the fee goes to RIV MFs it would selfishly be a positive. Overall though it would be a negative and really cheapen the product.