VDH Points Chart HIGHER than VGC?!

[RoseGold]

What may save Poly2 the rear Highway view rooms

We call it monorail view around here.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

This thread is baffling. Why would anyone think the charts were going to go down? Sure, maybe VGC is a better hotel or whatever, but that isn't what Disney cares about. The chart does the heavy lifting for DVC, and charts go one way. Of course VDH was going to be higher, as Poly will also.

Poly might play with some views and categories, but there will plenty that exceed VGF, like the VGF2 Resort Theme Park View and Poly1 did.

The only reason the timeshare math works at all is those economy studios, which we will definitely see in Poly2.

I think for most people, at least for me, were expecting a lower points chart based on rack rates. Since DLH cash rates are consistently lower than GCH, I thought the point chart would reflect as much. But I was also skeptical based on point charts always trending up with newer resorts, especially after Disney released the cash rates for VDH.

 

[tjkraz]

This thread is baffling. Why would anyone think the charts were going to go down? Sure, maybe VGC is a better hotel or whatever, but that isn't what Disney cares about. The chart does the heavy lifting for DVC, and charts go one way. Of course VDH was going to be higher, as Poly will also.

Historically speaking, this not particularly accurate.

• SSR point charts are lower than BCV, BWV and BRV which came earlier
• When introduced, Polynesian charts were lower than Grand Floridian. Though it's not as consistent today following reallocations at PVB.
• Riviera costs are lower than Poly and grand Floridian
• Many were convinced that Copper Creek would be priced higher than the BRV charts introduced more than 15 years previous, yet the charts are largely identical

 

[Nursemanit]

Historically speaking, this not particularly accurate.

• SSR point charts are lower than BCV, BWV and BRV which came earlier
• When introduced, Polynesian charts were lower than Grand Floridian. Though it's not as consistent today following reallocations at PVB.
• Riviera costs are lower than Poly and grand Floridian
• Many were convinced that Copper Creek would be priced higher than the BRV charts introduced more than 15 years previous, yet the charts are largely identical

I think room rates at the time of release dictated points charts - it explains all but CC in your example - I guess they did not expect CC to be as popular as it is and possibly felt selling a more severe point chart than BR would cause competition

 

[zavandor]

Historically speaking, this not particularly accurate.

• SSR point charts are lower than BCV, BWV and BRV which came earlier
• When introduced, Polynesian charts were lower than Grand Floridian. Though it's not as consistent today following reallocations at PVB.
• Riviera costs are lower than Poly and grand Floridian
• Many were convinced that Copper Creek would be priced higher than the BRV charts introduced more than 15 years previous, yet the charts are largely identical

When being sold, SSR charts where on par with the previous resort and higher than the similarly located OKW. So I'd say it's an increase. A reallocation created the cheaper standard and more expensive preferred.

I don't think there has been a reallocation at PVB. They tried but it was rolled back as the rest of the 2020 charts.

Riviera charts are higher than BWV and BCV, which have also a better location.

Yes, CCV surprised many people, but the money makers there were the cabins.

 

[Nursemanit]

I can image how many points the GV will be if it follows CC and is more points than the Bungalow could we see 2k Christmas week?

 

[tjkraz]

@Nursemanit @zavandor Re-read the post I was responding to, which completely poo-pooed the idea that resort location, cash rates, amenities or any other factors play a role in DVC point charts. We could certainly debate whether specific resorts are priced correctly relative to all others, but there's ample precedent for lower point costs on newer resorts.

@zavandor Regarding Poly, my apologies I was thinking more of the change from 5 to 7 seasons rather than a more traditional reallocation. If you look at the early point charts for both Poly and GF, studios at Poly are either equal or cheaper than GF on all dates / seasons. The current 7-season charts are more up and down with Poly being cheaper some days, GF cheaper others and same cost on still other days.

 

[ehh]

Points charts peaked with the flagship trio that opened around 2010 (give or take a few years): VGC, AUL, and VGF.

Since then they've not gone above those thresholds. Though, except for CCV, they've probably all been higher than our hopes, VDH likely included.

They've also done things like add Theme Park View at VGF2 and added Bungalows/Cabins that give the perception that they're points-juicing.

Below is average points per night for whole room categories based on 2023 points chart (and POS for VDH). Averages are properly weighted across seasons and view categories:


Looks like it can almost be broken down into 2 eras: pre-BLT and post-BLT, with BLT being a weird middle ground. But within the 2 eras things are mostly flat (with OKW looking like they didn't know what they had, especially GVs).

 

[CarolynFH]

with OKW looking like they didn't know what they had, especially GVs).

Exactly. I wonder when they figured it out? With BWV, or not until BCV or even BLT?

 

[ehh]

Exactly. I wonder when they figured it out? With BWV, or not until BCV or even BLT?

I think they've had multiple phases of realization. BWV was the "oh, that definitely wasn't a fluke" realization.

I think VGC is when they first thought "we might be able to really push it" and let them be comfortable with this era of point chart.

VGC opened a month after BLT with a points chart ~18% higher than BLT (highest pre-VGC) and ~35% higher than BCV (highest pre-BLT/VGC). Add in the oddity that its actual points chart is noticeably higher than what's listed in POS and I think they were finally really getting it.

I don't know when they can do another 'expectations reset' like they did with VGC/AUL/VGF, those are their flagships still. So we might continue to see minor encroachments upward, like more new premium views or hyper-premium rooms (remember the Houseboats at Reflections? lol).

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Points charts peaked with the flagship trio that opened around 2010 (give or take a few years): VGC, AUL, and VGF.

Since then they've not gone above those thresholds. Though, except for CCV, they've probably all been higher than our hopes, VDH likely included.

They've also done things like add Theme Park View at VGF2 and added Bungalows/Cabins that give the perception that they're points-juicing.

Below is average points per night for whole room categories based on 2023 points chart (and POS for VDH). Averages are properly weighted across seasons and view categories:
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Looks like it can almost be broken down into 2 eras: pre-BLT and post-BLT, with BLT being a weird middle ground. But within the 2 eras things are mostly flat (with OKW looking like they didn't know what they had, especially GVs).

uggghh. 3 of my home resorts are top 5 most expensive point charts. I wish I drove to WDW so I can stay at OKW!

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I think they've had multiple phases of realization. BWV was the "oh, that definitely wasn't a fluke" realization.

I think VGC is when they first thought "we might be able to really push it" and let them be comfortable with this era of point chart.

VGC opened a month after BLT with a points chart ~18% higher than BLT (highest pre-VGC) and ~35% higher than BCV (highest pre-BLT/VGC). Add in the oddity that its actual points chart is noticeably higher than what's listed in POS and I think they were finally really getting it.

I don't know when they can do another 'expectations reset' like they did with VGC/AUL/VGF, those are their flagships still. So we might continue to see minor encroachments upward, like more new premium views or hyper-premium rooms (remember the Houseboats at Reflections? lol).

I wasn't paying attention when VGC opened but I have to imagine that the point chart really shocked a lot of people then. It opened 14 years ago and it's still highest in all of DVC. It's no wonder they had a hard time selling it back then.

 

[AstroBlasters]

uggghh. 3 of my home resorts are top 5 most expensive point charts. I wish I drove to WDW so I can stay at OKW!

So 60 days at OKW/HHI/VB in a 1 bedroom Villa is ~1800 points. @ $100pp for an OKWe = $180,000 with ~$16,500 in annual dues.

That’s not a bad snow bird plan for someone on the east coast….

If they had something similar in CA I think I would go down the entire month of Jan and Feb once my kids are out of school.