VDH Points Chart HIGHER than VGC?!

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I feel this doesn’t fully describe what it’s like to have to stay on Harbor. I’d rather walk a mile through Downtown Disney than walk across the street and have to stay on Harbor

Whats wrong with Harbor? I’ve had a wonderful stays there. The street is well lit, with super wide clean sidewalks, beautiful plants, and a highly visible police presence. Plus that guy selling light up toys. And several inexpensive food establishments and ice cream shops (although I think the Coldstone gave me food poisoning). Some of the hotels are great.

 

[DVCsloth]

Wow really looks like you need to own at VGC to have any luck of booking. I don't see Disney having any trouble selling Disney Hotel out fairly quickly. I would like to eventually visit Disneyland and stay either VGC or the new hotel. Might be a good idea to try to pick up a small contract when they go on sale. Probably won't do it but I might be tempted to pick up 50 points just to visit once in a while. Probably be really easy to rent out the points if I don't use them. Cash rates are really high for both as well.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I honestly don’t mind the Harbor hotels. The bubble is so tiny in DLR that going in and out of it really doesn’t impact the overall experience. It’s also nice to get some non Disney foods from a plethora of great restaurants around the area at much lower prices.

 

[lilsonicfan]

I love staying on Harbor! Yes, the hotels are mostly motel-like and pricey for what they are, but Best Western Park Place Inn, a 5 min walk across the street? Amazing. Clean rooms, free breakfast. Great option if VGC is out of budget.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I love staying on Harbor! Yes, the hotels are mostly motel-like and pricey for what they are, but Best Western Park Place Inn, a 5 min walk across the street? Amazing. Clean rooms, free breakfast. Great option if VGC is out of budget.

We haven’t done Harbor since we’ve owned VGC. But sometimes, we do miss the free breakfasts. GCH breakfasts can break the bank!

 

[vacay77]

Whats wrong with Harbor? I’ve had a wonderful stays there. The street is well lit, with super wide clean sidewalks, beautiful plants, and a highly visible police presence. Plus that guy selling light up toys. And several inexpensive food establishments and ice cream shops (although I think the Coldstone gave me food poisoning). Some of the hotels are great.

It depends on the location of the hotel on Harbor. If it's the Courtyard Theme Park entrance, I generally feel safe walking across the street. However, I've stayed further on Harbor and it can get sketchy walking crossing the intersections.

I'm traveling to Anaheim next month for a conference and I was surprised at how expensive the non-Disney hotels are now. I'm not staying at my home resort VGC because there wasn't any availability since the conference was announced just a few months ago. I even looked at the Candy Cane Inn and I was surprised that it was almost $300/night.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

It depends on the location of the hotel on Harbor. If it's the Courtyard Theme Park entrance, I generally feel safe walking across the street. However, I've stayed further on Harbor and it can get sketchy walking crossing the intersections.

I'm traveling to Anaheim next month for a conference and I was surprised at how expensive the non-Disney hotels are now. I'm not staying at my home resort VGC because there wasn't any availability since the conference was announced just a few months ago. I even looked at the Candy Cane Inn and I was surprised that it was almost $300/night.

For any days that there’s any Conference of consequence, off site rates are *bananas*. You really want to see something shocking look up when the next Expo West conference is and check out the rates at the various off property hotels then.

 

[DonMacGregor]

It depends on the location of the hotel on Harbor. If it's the Courtyard Theme Park entrance, I generally feel safe walking across the street. However, I've stayed further on Harbor and it can get sketchy walking crossing the intersections.

I'm traveling to Anaheim next month for a conference and I was surprised at how expensive the non-Disney hotels are now. I'm not staying at my home resort VGC because there wasn't any availability since the conference was announced just a few months ago. I even looked at the Candy Cane Inn and I was surprised that it was almost $300/night.

Hey, watch it! The Candy Cane is legit OG Anaheim, and the last of the Googie/Dingbat/post-modern motels that lined Harbor and Katella before the great "Anaheim Resort" cleansing (the Anaheim of my youth, LOL). My buddy worked at the Candy Cane all through high school, and many a clandestine room was "rented" there...

 

[ClaraOswald]

Forgive me if someone else made this point but the whole Disneyland Forward movement to expand parks has been gaining a lot of steam lately. There were public meetings held just yesterday and and Disney is supposedly in active discussions with Anaheim to clear the way for plans.

If I'm reading it correctly, Disneyland Park will expand to the north of DLH where its parking lot currently sits and DCA would expand to the south wrapping around DLH and Paradise (Pixar) Pier.

The point charts for VDH may reflect Disney's belief that within ~5 years, the location benefits of Disneyland Hotel will be just as significant as Grand Californian. For traffic flow alone, it makes sense to have additional gates into one or both parks from DLH.

(Assuming disney follows through.)

I really can't see this happening in 5 years. It hasn't even been fully approved, from my understanding. I'll be shocked if it's completed in less than 15 years.

I do think they had that meeting and are talking about it more in hopes of it helping sell the new DVC tower to people. Definitely would make it more appealing.

Agree that more needs to be made of this.

Looks like there might two new entrances on the DLH-side of the Monorail loop: one for DLP (into the orange area) and the other for DCA (into the teal area):
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Definitely could see a direct entrance to DCA from DLH, too.

Very exciting stuff for the VDH area and DLR in general. I do wonder where I'm supposed to park as a VGC/VDH guest though

I wonder about parking too! We like to get groceries (water bottles, snacks, breakfast food) and if this happens...am I going to have to walk 3 miles from my car to my room??

I feel this doesn’t fully describe what it’s like to have to stay on Harbor. I’d rather walk a mile through Downtown Disney than walk across the street and have to stay on Harbor.

We always stayed on Harbor (until this year) and I enjoyed it. But I was surprised at how different the walk seemed from the Grand Californian. Maybe it's because of the background music. And also there was more shade which was great during our walk back to our room for a mid-day break. The sun beating down on us for the walk to our Harbor hotel in the afternoon can seem brutal. No shade and all cement. I think our walk to Park Vue was actually closer than our room at the Grand but it just seemed more pleasant to not leave property.

 

[nlenguyen]

I didn't contribute anything to the article, I don't think credit would be appropriate. If anything, @nlenguyen should get credit for posting the actual POS photos, but the direct link is also appropriate.


Straight from the source

Anyway, I don't quite agree with the conclusion that VDH will be a higher points chart than VGC. I think the evidence points to it varying slightly. Part of the complicating factor is that VGC's current points chart is not well represented in the POS's flattening. Anyway, that's for another post!

You did do all the numbers, I just provided the document. I was actually surprised that no one had posted about it before. Maybe I am the only one buying direct points right now with these low resale points

 

[AstroBlasters]

Whats wrong with Harbor? I’ve had a wonderful stays there. The street is well lit, with super wide clean sidewalks, beautiful plants, and a highly visible police presence. Plus that guy selling light up toys. And several inexpensive food establishments and ice cream shops (although I think the Coldstone gave me food poisoning). Some of the hotels are great.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/street-takeover-tonight-at-disneyland-hit-and-run.3913701/

I don’t have to worry about a hit and run or street racing through Downtown Disney.

 

[tjkraz]

I really can't see this happening in 5 years. It hasn't even been fully approved, from my understanding. I'll be shocked if it's completed in less than 15 years.

I do think they had that meeting and are talking about it more in hopes of it helping sell the new DVC tower to people. Definitely would make it more appealing.

The idea that Disneyland Forever is some scheme to drum up interest in a DVC project doesn't particularly ring true to me.

Carsland took about 5 years from announcement to opening. Galaxy's Edge was 4 years. Runaway Railway took 3 years. No Disney isn't going to complete everything in that concept within the next 5 years but significant progress can be made at one or both parks if local planning comes together and Disney moves aggressively.

What's more important is the next 3-ish years while they are actively selling Disneyland Hotel. If major theme park expansion plans are announced in that timeframe, it will absolutely help VDH. If not...the resort will still sell out eventually and still make Disney a lot of money. It's more about degrees. Greater excitement for Disneyland Forever means a faster sales pace and higher prices for VDH.

 

[linzjane88]

I must say, staying off site Disney (even just Harbor) doesn't quite feel like the "Florida vacation" that WDW has to offer. I was pretty shocked after only vacationing to WDW then going to DL and staying off site. There are busy intersections and homeless on the street just to get back to your short "5 minute walk/good neighbor" hotels. The pools are in the parking lot. {Park Vue doesn't do a continental breakfast anymore, fwiw}. You can fake some fancy with the Westin and it's 20 minutes walk to the park entrance but meh?

We are west coast and feel like DL is a fun thing you squeeze in on a long weekend but Florida is the real vacation.

So maybe, just maybe, it's worth it to buy 50 points and stay in the bubble a few nights every other year . The older I get the less tolerant I am off spending any precious vacation days on things that don't bring me total joy and relaxation. Lol.

 

[Royal Consort]

https://www.disboards.com/threads/street-takeover-tonight-at-disneyland-hit-and-run.3913701/

I don’t have to worry about a hit and run or street racing through Downtown Disney.

Against the general consensus, I feel a stonger bubble at Disneyland Resort than I ever do at Walt Disney World. The compactness of it helps. Everything there is an intentional decision (plant, fountain, shop, background music, pavement etc.) and themed. I walk to Harbor and it instantly erodes. I am not going to criticise the Harbor hotels because they offer something for guests that WDW doesn't. However, I choose not to leave the bubble. I am so adamant about maintaining this bubble that when the news VDH would have views of Walnut broke, it was an instant no from me.

 

[HIRyeDVC]

I must say, staying off site Disney (even just Harbor) doesn't quite feel like the "Florida vacation" that WDW has to offer. I was pretty shocked after only vacationing to WDW then going to DL and staying off site. There are busy intersections and homeless on the street just to get back to your short "5 minute walk/good neighbor" hotels. The pools are in the parking lot. {Park Vue doesn't do a continental breakfast anymore, fwiw}. You can fake some fancy with the Westin and it's 20 minutes walk to the park entrance but meh?

We are west coast and feel like DL is a fun thing you squeeze in on a long weekend but Florida is the real vacation.

So maybe, just maybe, it's worth it to buy 50 points and stay in the bubble a few nights every other year . The older I get the less tolerant I am off spending any precious vacation days on things that don't bring me total joy and relaxation. Lol.

Totally agree. The bubble in DLR is way too tiny to feel truly immersed for too long. A week at most. When I’m at WDW, I could be in the bubble for 2 weeks and still doesn’t feel enough

 

[HIRyeDVC]

Against the general consensus, I feel a stonger bubble at Disneyland Resort than I ever do at Walt Disney World. The compactness of it helps. Everything there is an intentional decision (plant, fountain, shop, background music, pavement etc.) and themed. I walk to Harbor and it instantly erodes. I am not going to criticise the Harbor hotels because they offer something for guests that WDW doesn't. However, I choose not to leave the bubble. I am so adamant about maintaining this bubble that when the news VDH would have views of Walnut broke, it was an instant no from me.

Yeah. The view of houses on Walnut is no bueno. It might be better to have a room on the ground floor

 

[AstroBlasters]

The idea that Disneyland Forever is some scheme to drum up interest in a DVC project doesn't particularly ring true to me.

Carsland took about 5 years from announcement to opening. Galaxy's Edge was 4 years. Runaway Railway took 3 years. No Disney isn't going to complete everything in that concept within the next 5 years but significant progress can be made at one or both parks if local planning comes together and Disney moves aggressively.

What's more important is the next 3-ish years while they are actively selling Disneyland Hotel. If major theme park expansion plans are announced in that timeframe, it will absolutely help VDH. If not...the resort will still sell out eventually and still make Disney a lot of money. It's more about degrees. Greater excitement for Disneyland Forever means a faster sales pace and higher prices for VDH.

They hired Bruce Vaughn back for imagineering… good things are happening!

 

[RoseGold]

This thread is baffling. Why would anyone think the charts were going to go down? Sure, maybe VGC is a better hotel or whatever, but that isn't what Disney cares about. The chart does the heavy lifting for DVC, and charts go one way. Of course VDH was going to be higher, as Poly will also.

Poly might play with some views and categories, but there will plenty that exceed VGF, like the VGF2 Resort Theme Park View and Poly1 did.

The only reason the timeshare math works at all is those economy studios, which we will definitely see in Poly2.

 

[ClaraOswald]

The idea that Disneyland Forever is some scheme to drum up interest in a DVC project doesn't particularly ring true to me.

Carsland took about 5 years from announcement to opening. Galaxy's Edge was 4 years. Runaway Railway took 3 years. No Disney isn't going to complete everything in that concept within the next 5 years but significant progress can be made at one or both parks if local planning comes together and Disney moves aggressively.

What's more important is the next 3-ish years while they are actively selling Disneyland Hotel. If major theme park expansion plans are announced in that timeframe, it will absolutely help VDH. If not...the resort will still sell out eventually and still make Disney a lot of money. It's more about degrees. Greater excitement for Disneyland Forever means a faster sales pace and higher prices for VDH.

I don't think it's a scheme. I just think they being very intentional about bringing it up and having community meetings about it right now.

 

[Nursemanit]

This thread is baffling. Why would anyone think the charts were going to go down? Sure, maybe VGC is a better hotel or whatever, but that isn't what Disney cares about. The chart does the heavy lifting for DVC, and charts go one way. Of course VDH was going to be higher, as Poly will also.

Poly might play with some views and categories, but there will plenty that exceed VGF, like the VGF2 Resort Theme Park View and Poly1 did.

The only reason the timeshare math works at all is those economy studios, which we will definitely see in Poly2.

What may save Poly2 the rear Highway view rooms - but they may cut down some trees so they can call it golf course view and charge more points anyway.