VDH Opening

[Cyberc1978]

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I mean if they are more expensive why not just buy at VGC instead?

 

[BWV Dreamin]

As with any DVC that is part of a resort complex, the theme matches the resort. Disneyland Hotel doesn't have a themed environment, it was the original Disney resort and they didn't do that back then. Mid-century modern is the closest you might get, but it's not really too much of a theme, that's more the aesthetic. So I don't think a theme would be expected at this DVC, it wouldn't be part of the Disneyland Hotel then.

There's a pretty good episode of "Behind the Attraction" on Disney+ about the Disneyland Hotel and its history that I would recommend you watch if interested to learn more. It's a beloved property!

Ok will do! That would explain the “ non” theme.

 

[thanxfornoticin]

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I mean if they are more expensive why not just buy at VGC instead?

If you want to stay VDH and book 11 months out, you'll need to buy VDH.....

 

[RoseGold]

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I mean if they are more expensive why not just buy at VGC instead?

Charts go one directions, up. Exception was RIV, which is a hair under VGF for a far inferior location.

I think the chart will be roughly equal, maybe a hair under because the location is worse. I can see some view categories even exceeding VGC. This is crazy because VGC is already so high, but the goal is to make money. The chart does a lot of the lifting to make money for Disney. I also think Poly2 will exceed VGF1.

You'd buy VGC because you want to stay at VGC. You'd buy VDH because you want the CLUB or want this property and don't want to stay at VGC. They're different products, as DVC is transitioning to a much more timeshare-y experience.

 

[CookieandOatmeal]

As with any DVC that is part of a resort complex, the theme matches the resort. Disneyland Hotel doesn't have a themed environment, it was the original Disney resort and they didn't do that back then. Mid-century modern is the closest you might get, but it's not really too much of a theme, that's more the aesthetic. So I don't think a theme would be expected at this DVC, it wouldn't be part of the Disneyland Hotel then.

There's a pretty good episode of "Behind the Attraction" on Disney+ about the Disneyland Hotel and its history that I would recommend you watch if interested to learn more. It's a beloved property!

When I stayed at the DLH, there was a complimentary tour you could go on to learn about the history of the hotel and the theming behind each tower. Super interesting and our guide was so knowledgable too.

 

[Yankee626]

Resale restrictions wont matter on this property. Im in for 200 points.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I mean if they are more expensive why not just buy at VGC instead?

We’ll probably initially VDH will be cheaper direct than VGC is resale.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Charts go one directions, up. Exception was RIV, which is a hair under VGF for a far inferior location.

I think the chart will be roughly equal, maybe a hair under because the location is worse. I can see some view categories even exceeding VGC. This is crazy because VGC is already so high, but the goal is to make money. The chart does a lot of the lifting to make money for Disney. I also think Poly2 will exceed VGF1.

You'd buy VGC because you want to stay at VGC. You'd buy VDH because you want the CLUB or want this property and don't want to stay at VGC. They're different products, as DVC is transitioning to a much more timeshare-y experience.

There are more than one way to make money on the VDH. They could have high point charts combined with a high $ cost per point. They could also keep the room points the same as VGC and have a higher cost per point.

If I recall correctly the $ cost per point at new resorts have been the same as those that DVC was currently actively selling right? Currently Aulani, Riviera and VGF are all priced at $217 pp then with incentives the prices might come out differently.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Resale restrictions wont matter on this property. Im in for 200 points.

Regardless of price and point charts?

 

[RoseGold]

There are more than one way to make money on the VDH. They could have high point charts combined with a high $ cost per point. They could also keep the room points the same as VGC and have a higher cost per point.

They have a few levers. Resale restrictions, raise price, raise charts. I expect them to pull all three. There's a wild card here that is contract length. I can see them pulling that one too.

 

[ClaraOswald]

I loved that episode of “Behind the Attraction”. The Walt Disney family didn’t even own or operate the hotel their friends did for many years until they later generation sold it back to the WDC. I love all the Disney IP touches it doesn’t matter if it’s from when Walt was alive or not. VGC has Pinocchio themed bathrooms and Bambi touches too, not sure they really fit together either but it’s a beloved hotel too.

My feelings on buying at VDH is if even think you will go to Disneyland every 3-4 years definitely buy there because it’s such a limited product as compared to WDW DVC. Once the point charts come out get a small 60-100 point contract to use exclusively there. I’m sure it won’t be hard to rent them out either. We did this for VGC and it was one of our best DVC purchases.

You would need to wait for resale to buy a small contract (under 150) though. How long after direct sales will people be selling off their contracts?

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I mean if they are more expensive why not just buy at VGC instead?

If you buy VGC, it would need to be resale. And then you can't use those points to stay at VDH.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

You would need to wait for resale to buy a small contract (under 150) though. How long after direct sales will people be selling off their contracts?



If you buy VGC, it would need to be resale. And then you can't use those points to stay at VDH.

If there are restrictions. That is the elephant in the room.

 

[princesscinderella]

You would need to wait for resale to buy a small contract (under 150) though. How long after direct sales will people be selling off their contracts?



If you buy VGC, it would need to be resale. And then you can't use those points to stay at VDH.

Yes if you are not a DVC owner currently unfortunately you cannot get a small contract. May be worth buying a small resale contract at WDW to become a member so you can do a small add on at VDH direct. Especially with resale prices going down.

 

[RoseGold]

If there are restrictions. That is the elephant in the room.

Not sure what room you're in, because of course there will be restrictions.

They aren't going to dumb down their shiny, new tower with those old-fashioned, pro-owner ideas.

 

[ehh]

What's the chance that the points charts will be the same as for VGC?

I'd put it at roughly 0%. VGC doesn't have view categories and VDH very likely will.

Average points/night across all views in a room type may be similar but likely lower than VGC due to cash rack rates at DLH being lower than GCH.

Peak points/night from the best view categories at VDH may be similar to, or even above, VGC.

 

[Sandisw]

Not sure what room you're in, because of course there will be restrictions.

They aren't going to dumb down their shiny, new tower with those old-fashioned, pro-owner ideas.

While many think that, it has not been officially announced, so with DVD, until it is, no one knows what they might do.

It’s also why the decision for Poly tower is still up for debate, because the pandemic changed things in the DVC world for sales, etc. so until we see it confirmed I don’t think we can assume anything.

I do think restrictions are here to stay but just not going to say it’s a done deal until we see it in print from them.

 

[Maria_Ohana]

Not sure what room you're in, because of course there will be restrictions.

They aren't going to dumb down their shiny, new tower with those old-fashioned, pro-owner ideas.

I believe there will be a ton of restrictions as well. I think this is the way Disney is heading. I also think points chart will be close/similar to Riviera.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I'd put it at roughly 0%. VGC doesn't have view categories and VDH very likely will.

Average points/night across all views in a room type may be similar but likely lower than VGC due to cash rack rates at DLH being lower than GCH.

Peak points/night from the best view categories at VDH may be similar to, or even above, VGC.

But with the vast majority of rooms being studios ( that have no balconies), why would view be such a premium at VDH? I mean you can’t appreciate what ever view you get. Not seeing how view comes into pricing.

 

[princesscinderella]

I’m hoping that they offer guaranteed weeks for this. Very interested in seeing the pricing and point chart.

 

[nalabear]

I don't think there are any studios with balconies-- only 1br+.

I foresee RIV level restrictions; but think that will matter little since VDH only real competition is small VGC.

There's A LOT of pent up CA demand, but is it enough to drive the entire sales without incentives after the initial surge of buyers? We shall see! Until then, Disney 20+% cash promotions will be here to stay for awhile with all this new hotel inventory hitting late 2023.

PP will get cheaper for awhile.