Value Resort for larger families?

[beth_cam]

I dont know about the 500 but the other posters calculations aside from the math error were based on value. The OP mentioned July for 8 nights (I think) which would be regular season? so their rate of 140 + 15 = 155. 2 rooms as (if she manages to get a standard room)=198. so that is $43 more per night times 8 nights. $344 + the extra tax not just on the price difference but i though i read that values (because of their location) have a higher tax rate. pretty big when you are doing your best to finance a nice vacation for your family and you have all other things to consider too.

 

[DisneyGirl2005]

I really like the idea of Legendary Pop becoming a family suite style resort. I am sure if they go value style in the amenities they can manage to get the price to fall somewhere between the value and moderate prices. Even if the price was the same as the mods, it could work. I mean you would have more space in the room, but less theming, etc. around the resort. The Ft. Wilderness cabins have kitchens, the family suite would not have to. I only have 2 children, but I think it would be a great idea. Many times my Mom has wanted to come with us, so it would be nice.

I also like the idea of the frequent guest program, sounds just like all the credit card reward programs. I am surprised Disney hasn't implemented this already. I mean I know they don't want us to vacation anywhere but Disney. What a way to keep us coming back.

 

[J.C.&ALI'SMOM]

Whoa! $140 for a mod? I don't think I could do it. I guess I am accustomed to discounted rates, but that is too much for a mod in my opinion.

 

[ILoveWDW2003]

There is no longer an added charge for the trundle bed.

 

[Sammie]

Disney makes the parks available to everyone on an equal basis. As stated it is personal choice to how many children a family has. That choice affects everything that you do economically. Cars, housing, and hotel rooms. I think some are just trying to say No they don't think Disney needs to offer anything other than what they offer. On the other hand some feel they should offer value accomidations for larger familes.

Actually Disney is a business and in business to make money. At this time Disney does not see any need to offer different accomidations other than what they are offering. They have the ultimate decision.

Before Carribbean Beach they only offer deluxe accomidations. Then Value resorts came along. At this time obviously Disney does see any business need to offer accomidations in the value or moderate price range for more than 4.

There are many very nice accomidations for larger families near Disney.

I have no problem with larger families wishing they could get value or moderate accomidations at Disney. I wish I could stay at the Grand Floridian for less than $250 a night, that is even with a discount. However the chances of either happening are very slim.

In some seem passionate in their opinions it is simply because those of us that have been around for a while, have seen this arguement turn into a discussion of because Disney is a "so called" family business, this type of accomidation is owed to the public. I don't think the OP meant it that way but sometimes it is hard to know for sure what is meant and what is percieved on an Internet forum.

I will say if anyone has hurt feelings over anything posted on this thread, you will not survive long on a public forum.

 

[DawnCt1]

or moderate price range for more than 4.

In some seem passionate in their opinions it is simply because those of us that have been around for a while, have seen this arguement turn into a discussion of because Disney is a "so called" family business, this type of accomidation is owed to the public. .

A little OT but after reading Disney War, I will never delude myself into thinking that Disney is a "family business". I did note your quotes around "so called" so this wasn't directed to you.

 

[disneyfanfamily]

How I got the difference of $500.00 between staying at POR and staying at a value is this.

We got POR for $140 per night, including tax through AAA. The value was $199 per night for 2 values. The difference is $60.00 per night. $60.00 X 8 nights equal $480.00. We are not AP holders nor are we FL residents.

We can all have our own opinions. That is fine. We can agree to disagree. I will respect your opinion. We are choosing to stay on site, which is why we are at POR. I am thankful to even have the money to go. All I was "wishing" for is more options for 5+ families. Another moderate to accomodate 5? My understanding is that they are the same size rooms as POR....

 

[tar heel]

disneyfanfamily -- You may be very surprised by POR. Perhaps it got lost in the shuffle, but I posted earlier that it is SO MUCH NICER than All Stars. The pool and the boat to Downtown Disney are serious upgrades over any of the values. You also can use the pool at POFQ. My family of 5 stayed in two rooms at All Stars our next-to-last trip and couldn't wait to leave and get to the second hotel of our trip, CS. We stayed at POR twice, once even moving FROM YC, and loved it.

If your daughter wants to see the Dalmations, ride over and look at them. Then, you can return to your much nicer room!

 

[Skroops]

Is the reason they can't have trundle (roll-away or other) beds at the value because of fire codes? I mean, maybe they would fit somehow (by removing the table and chairs or some way). If they could charge a fee for the extra bed, then wouldn't everyone be happy? It would be less expensive for the extra bed than another room... Just wondering...
We found the problem with an infant to be similar. Our baby will not sleep in the same room because small noises would wake him. Without sleep, we would all be miserable! We tried the Ft. Wilderness cabins, which we really enjoyed and now we are trying renting from a DVC owner for our October vacation to have a separate bedroom. It is, however, more expensive than the values, but we just don't have the option at this time of our lives. We have to stay less days to be able to afford it. Oh well, it is WAY better than not going!

 

[Holly]

I have five children, as well. We have stayed in 2 rooms at All Star Movies, POR, and AKL, as well as some offsite resorts. We finally took the plunge and bought into Disney Vacation Club, as a 2 bedroom with kitchen is ideal for us. We did the math and it will actually pay for itself in 6 trips.

It is a larger initial investment, but if you have a large family and go to Disney often, it is worth looking in to.

 

[TDC Nala]

I believe they are no longer charging $15 per night for the trundle bed room at POR. I don't know if the request for one is guaranteed, though.

I don't mind the large family wishing to get value accomodations. Disney apparently doesn't see the need to build a value room to accommodate more than 4. As an annual passholder, I know I could get discounts that would make two value rooms affordable, and two rooms would result in much more convenience.

I would object if a policy were put in place granting discounts at the deluxes due to family size. There are those on this thread who were advocating that.

i though i read that values (because of their location) have a higher tax rate. pretty big when you are doing your best to finance a nice vacation for your family and you have all other things to consider too.

This is true of the All-Stars, which are located in Osceola County where the tax rate is 13%. The tax rate at all other WDW resort hotels, including Pop Century, is 11.5%. It's only a difference of 1.5%.

 

[pearlieq]

But why should Disney subsidize your choice of having a large family?

Why not ask the car rental place to give you a minivan for the same price as a subcompact because you have a big family. Or ask the airline to give you seven tickets for the same price as four.

Why should a large family get a better deal on a hotel room? I think that a couple should get a better deal, after all they ar ejust two people, less towels, less space on the buses, etc. (I'm just kidding, but trying to make a point.)

And I can almost guarantee that my husband spend the same amount on souveniers and food in a day that you do. We just spend it differently.

Anne

That's exactly what I was going to say, only you said it quicker and better.

Amen!

 

[thelobstershanty]

I think way too much value is being placed on the trundle bed that is available at POR. It is not anything to get excited about. It is a small rolling board with a very thin, thin mattress that rolls out from under the bed closest to the entrance door. The rolling board stays at floor level; is really only big enough for a small child; and is in the way when someone needs to enter or exit the room. The only moderate resort that is even somewhat noticeable in size difference from the value resorts is CBR. All the other moderates have nicer furniture, a nicer sink area but really not much more room in the sleeping area of the room then a value resort has. The landscaping at the moderate resorts is more lush, there is a hot tub and sit down restaurant, but as far as rooms go--other than nicer furniture, the rooms are basically the same. The deluxe resorts supposedly sleep 5 but the only ones that have sleeping accomondations large enough for someone older than 12 is the Poly and the Contemporary. Their daybeds are a true twin bed size, not the size of a small bench. In all reality for a family that needs sleeping arrangements for 5 people have the choices of: a FW cabin, a DVC 2 BR, a WDW resort suite, a room at the Poly or Contemporary or renting 2 rooms.
Is this fair? I think so. We are a family that never meets the room maximums and still have to pay the same price as a group of 4,6, 8 etc would pay for the same room, DVC villa or WDW resort suite.

 

[Sammie]

A little OT but after reading Disney War, I will never delude myself into thinking that Disney is a "family business". I did note your quotes around "so called" so this wasn't directed to you.

I agree totally.

 

[beth_cam]

I gree it is only 1.5% but follow this spelled out hopefully better than in my first post.....although the part you pulled out of my post ignored it and focussed onthe 1.5 instead of the total price difference.

this is based on the cost difference was between what the OP gave us and rack rate for 2 allstar rooms. 140 verses 99per room.

344 ( option1(99*2rooms*8nights) - option2(140+15 *8nights)
+44.72 (13% tax on the price difference)
+18.60(1.5% increased tax rate over what the other hotel costs)

that makes a total difference of 407.32 What my original post was trying to say was that the total is a big deal not just the 1.5%.

And before you start arguing how I got my numbers I know they were off since I didnt have all the information. And I see the posts about no charge for the trundle which just makes the price difference higher. I was just trying to get as close as i could and show that when another post said the difference was only $40, which to most is probably negligable even though it should actually have been $64 in the whole scheme of things with what we put out for these vacations, was not accurate in this case. It is much more complicated than taking the cheapest rack rates and doing quick math.

All my post was showing was that the $40 wasn't right. And that after working to afford a vacation a little here and there different is one thing but this does end up adding to a big difference. one some might pay for the extra space. for other's not worth it.

 

[TDC Nala]

I did not intend to post anything about YOUR price difference. My intent was to post the exact numbers of the tax differential for those who did not know them and would think, from the language that was posted, that there was a substantial tax difference at ALL the value resorts.