Valet Parking - Ei$ner does it again!!!

DVC-Landbaron

What Would Walt Do?
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I picked up this little tidbit on the DVC board. Ei$ner strikes again. Nickel and diming his way to profits, in a vain attempt to please The Street. Of course it's not him personally, but his narrow minded, cheap, bottom line mentality and managerial philosophy can be directly related to this:
As of July 16, 2001, there is a charge for valet parking at all Walt Disney World® Resort hotels ($6.00 per day) that offer this guest service. However, Disney Vacation Club Members will not be charged for valet parking at Disney's BoardWalk Resort and Disney's Wilderness Lodge, regardless of where they are staying. Members will be charged for this service at any other valet parking operation at the Walt Disney World Resort. Disney Vacation Club Members must show their DVC Member card or Walt Disney World Resort ID indicating "DVC Member" when leaving their vehicle to be parked in order to receive this service at no charge at either Disney's BoardWalk Resort or Disney's Wilderness Lodge. Whether or not you are charged to valet park, gratuities are still appropriate.

What a guy!! :mad: :mad: :( :( :mad: :mad:
 
Just posted this on the restaurant board to get opinions over there as well -JJ, I've got to agree with you (but then again, I usually do!) - this is going to be taken out on the valets!

However, does anyone think Disney cares if their valets get stiffed?

How about validating parking for restaurant guests!
 

I think What they mean by Tipping still appropriate is that the attendents ain't seeing this money.
It never occured to me that this service was free before, I always park my car myself, so I guess I don't really care.
 
I guess I'm in Yoho's camp on this one. It is somewhat distressing to see, but don't most places charge for valet? One thing this cuts down on is parking abuse at the resorts. Before, you could go valet at one of the monorail resorts, ball up your three hour pass, head for MK and enjoy your day. Sure, there was a risk of towing, but from what I understand, it was a virtual non-risk. Of course, you can still self park at Contemp and pull this one.
 
As first thought this pisses me off. I use Disney valet (always tip the valet) and get to feel like a big shot...Now I won't use it. Why?... Because I really can't afford that type of luxury. Kind of like concierge...

But really, why does this get under our skin?... I think it's mostly because we see another free "thing" being taken away from us. Is this a reflection on the Magic?... No, it's not. It's more a reflection on our personal greed and when thought about, why shouldn't Disney charge for valet service like every other hotel? Why shouldn't Disney make sound business decisions in these totally business like areas? I think the answer is they should. This is exactly the type of profit centers that should be maximized and hopefully will allow the cutbacks to Magic enhancing areas (like discontinuing the Resort water transportation, for instance) to cease.
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Is this a reflection on the Magic?
With acumen that cuts straight to the heart of the matter you have asked the singular question. It is paramount in our understanding of Walt's magic and philosophy. It is the very foundation upon which Snow White was made. And Disneyland. And WDW. You asked not just the "right" question. You asked the perfect question.

But sadly, Captain, you missed the answer. You continued with:
No, it's not. It's more a reflection on our personal greed and when thought about, why shouldn't Disney charge for valet service like every other hotel?
How pedestrian. How mundane. How ordinary. I can get 'every other hotel' in every other corner of the world! Every rotten city in the country has a 'big-buck' hotel that contains very little magic, or should we say magic at a very steep price. This is Disney!! This should be special. And extra (or "free") is VERY special magic indeed!!!

It is just this type of "magic" that sets Disney apart from the rest of the world. When Walt build Disneyland and put 'crystal' chandeliers in the fast food joint instead of cut glass, he didn't try to recoup the cost by charging $10.00 for a burger. It was something extra that gave the place the famous 'Disney Touch'.

Do you really think that Pirates or Small world were the first 'dark' rides? Of course not!! Every city in America had an amusement park with a tunnel of love, or spook house. It's just that Disney was the first one to do it right. Without the rats swimming in the moldy water next to the boat, or the cheap cardboard cutouts with chipped paint. One might expect such an extravagant ride (compared with their contemporaries) to cost the average ride going guest many, many times the going rate. BUT IT DIDN'T!! It cost only slightly more.

Before the advent of VCRs, way back in 1972, Disney used to run movies in all of their resorts. Even the campgrounds. Every night they would run a feature that hadn't even hit TV yet. They were unobtainable. Every seven years they'd make the circuit in the lower movie houses, but to the general public they were not available at all. Snow White, Peter Pan, Mary Poppins, Jungle Book, etc. WOW! And you know what Captain? THEY WERE FREE!!!! Yes! Free! They could have easily charged a buck or at least fifty cents at the time and still would have packed the house. But again they didn't!! More of the "Disney Touch"!

Anyone can create 'magic' for the right price. Those five star hotels we hear about in Europe contain a certain amount of 'magic'. You're pampered 24 by 7. Every little desire is met with an army of personnel. Every whim answered. But for THOUSANDS of dollars. Hmmm. When you think about it, there's really nothing magical about it, is there? Money can make ANYTHING happen. That wasn't Walt's way and it is NOT the trademark of the Disney I have come to LOVE!!

As first thought this pisses me off. I use Disney valet (always tip the valet) and get to feel like a big shot
The big shots out there won't understand this at all. And maybe to really appreciate these benefits you have to come from a certain economic class. I'm sure there are people who see crystal chandeliers all the time. They could spot cut glass a mile away. So they don't see anything special about a hamburger joint having one. In fact, they kind of expect it. But I don't. I don't even have one of cut glass. And that is the something extra that Disney has always given me.
Because I really can't afford that type of luxury.
But in Disney you could. And that, my friend, is the famous "DISNEY TOUCH" that I'm always squawking about.
This is exactly the type of profit centers that should be maximized and hopefully will allow the cutbacks to Magic enhancing areas (like discontinuing the Resort water transportation, for instance) to cease
This isn't a profit center!! It is a magic center for those who use it!! A person who never uses the Resort water transportation could use the same argument!! Don't you see that? If we look at it from a purely bottom line perspective we could say that (or excuse the taking away) about any aspect of Disney 'magic'!!
 
Well, at least I did something right!

Landbaron, I see your point I really do, but you are still talking extremes...All or nothing. I agee that the free valet was nice. I admittedly used it, but it is still, after all, only parking. I enjoyed the freedom the experience gave me, but the loss of the ability to valet park my car for free WILL NOT affect my vacation one iota! Now, to compare this to the possibility of losing the Resort water launches...Surely you jest! This would be a huge loss to everyone who stays at a Resort served by them. Far greater than the possible "inconvenience" of having to self park your car! I would seriously consider never staying at the Poly again were the water transportation eliminated and no valet parking issue will ever evoke that emotion...Disney or not...

I simply point out that if Eisner's words about his worry relating to core-Disney are true (in his mind), then perhaps this type of profitability will satisfy the need to increase revenues while not cutting back on Park issues - No big story here. I am only saying if this is (can be: could be) true (and I want it to be), then I am for it...
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Unfortunately, far too mant people abuse the parking at WDW resorts by parking there and then traveling to one of the theme parks to avoid the parking charge at the park's lot. This is a response to that an an effort to curb that abuse. I would not be surprised if they allow guests staying at that resort to valet for free as is the case for DVC members at Wilderness and Boardwalk. I am assuming that you received came from DVC which is why they only mentioned the DVC restrictions.
 
Unfortunately, far too many people abuse the parking at WDW resorts by parking there and then traveling to one of the theme parks to avoid the parking charge at the park's lot.
So this is their answer!! You realize, of course, that it doesn’t solve the problem at all. It merely limits options. You can still pay the six bucks, thus saving the remainder of the parking cost and still get the benefit of Resort transportation. Or, you can search the already overcrowded Resort lot and steal a spot from a registered guest. Kind of makes that situation worse, doesn’t it? And it does nothing to curtail the abuse. What it does do is lessen the take of the CM’s who do the valet parking and put a couple lousy bucks in Disney’s pockets.

OnWithTheShow, I don’t mean any of this personally, it is just the way I see it. Did I miss something? Is there more to it than what I wrote? If I’m missing a piece of the puzzle, please let me in on it. I just don’t see how this could stop the abuse. A small dent if anything, but I doubt it would even do that.
 
What it does do is lessen the take of the CM's who do the valet parking and put a couple lousey bucks in Disney's pocket.

I can see it now. Eisner, Pressler & Weiss having lunch discussing cost cutting. Eisner says, "you know, those valet CM's are making too darn much in tips. Let's change that policy so we'll make those couple of bucks ourselves!" "Great idea" says Paul, with Al nodding vigorously...Yeah, Landbaron...That's what happened...

Landbaron, you seem to be against anything that puts "a couple lousy bucks"in the Disney coffers lately. Will you be happy with gate increases instead? More increased food prices? More trinket sales booths? Tell me, how do you expect them to please their stockholders?... By offering a product so magnificent, so grand, so...Disney that we DIS'ers will be totally enthralled with...& the masses will barely notice? Come on! Most people DO NOT notice the little things we all do and (to them) losing the valet parking is no big deal. Contrary to your allegations, I'm not happy with the decision making lately. I am saddened that DCA was so inadequate. I can't believe they over-hyped PH & dropped the ball with Atlantis. I hate the Disney Stores and I don't want to. I liked using valet parking. But, Disney must continue to strive for profitability so I'm willing to accept some changes I don't like, but you seem to want it all. So how will you please everybody? How will you do it (I'm talking Parks/Resorts here, unless you must stray)...
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I can see it now. Eisner, Pressler & Weiss having lunch discussing cost cutting. Eisner says, "you know, those valet CM's are making too darn much in tips.
No!! Of course not! That’s just the point. They didn’t discuss it at all. They didn’t even consider it. Not that I would expect them to. It is simply a side effect of this measure. And I’m quite sure a side effect they never even thought about. Would you if you were in their place? Would you think about a poor CM earning a two or three dollar tip, if you’re making mega millions in bonus alone? Nope. And they didn’t either.
Landbaron, you seem to be against anything that puts "a couple lousy bucks" in the Disney coffers lately.
Not at all!! But as I’ve asked you time and time again, where do you draw the line. When does Disney cross over from what they have to do from what they CAN do. On the Debate Board the very auspicious and knowledgeable Beverly Lynn sums it up pretty well.
this is getting ridiculous now...what’s the next charge? a pay toilet? a nickel a sheet for toilet paper? a nickel a sheet for the towels to dry your hands after washing? a nickel a squirt for the soap to wash your hands?
Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it? But it’s all where you draw the line, my friend, in the vast shade of gray that Disney has become. I think, cavalierly disregarding their CM’s income and total contempt for their guest and taking away a benefit that they used to provide and spinning it all in the name of cutting out abuse (which it cannot do), clearly crosses the line. Evidently it doesn’t cross yours. So sad.
By offering a product so magnificent, so grand, so...Disney that we DIS'ers will be totally enthralled with...& the masses will barely notice? Come on! Most people DO NOT notice the little things we all do
I could not disagree any stronger with that statement without coming to blows!! ;) Captain, it is just by providing “a product so magnificent, so grand, so...Disney” that we all fell in love with it in the first place. It is exactly this type of management philosophy that shot it to stellar success way back in 1955. It was the WOW factor. Exceeding expectations. That is why it has been able to survive so long under such inept care recently. All the “extras” and doing it “so magnificent, so grand, so...Disney” in the first place. Can’t you see that? Without those “Disney Touches” you’d have Six Flags. A very nice place to visit. But no Disney. Not by a long shot.
Come on! Most people DO NOT notice the little things we all do
AGAIN!!! Most strongly disagree!! It is the attention to detail, the crystal chandelier, the Mickey head butter, and the lush plant life in the lobby of the poly as opposed to a giant baseball bat that set the company apart from the rest of the world. Maybe one out of ten (or even 100) really notice all these things. But we all notice some of the little things. And we all notice more than we are cognizant of, on a subconscious level. This is a bicker argument. "If it doesn’t directly effect a certain percentage of people, do away with it." That is diametrically opposed to the principle upon which the company was founded. And strangely the same argument could be used about your precious Resort launches. I think the Poly would still sell out without them. So, to me, it’s good business sense to throw them away. Don’t you agree. Think of the savings!!! And at very little consequence to the bottom line. Sure you’ll lose a few guests. But those losses would be more than offset by the savings in the Resort Launch operations, both equipment and personnel. How about it Captain? Have we crossed your line yet?
 
I don't know landbaron, we were never given the chance to visit a DL without Crystal Chandeliers, so How can we know what the people of 1955 would have been wowed by?
Not that I'm saying your wrong, only that there is simply no evidence to support your view since no one tried it any differently (accepting that the Carnivals and amusment parks did things SO differently as to be knocked out of the category)
I realize we're talking about a philosophy, but its possible that philosophy was taken to unreasonable extremes.
I don't know, its a pretty good debate topic anyway.


On the topic at Hand, OWTS, I was thinking through this last night, and I couldn't work it out, so maybe someone with more expireance can explain. I've only ever driven my car from the resort to a Park, not resort to resort, but as I recall, each resort is gated, with an attendent. IF the purpose of the charge is to discourage abuse, wouldn't it be more reasonable to actually use those gates? for instance, a New arrival drives up and tells the attendent he's checking in. THe attendent allows him in and directs him to the lobby. Once checked in, the Vehicle is issued a Parking certificate (already done) that lets them park anywhere on property. Then their resort ID is coded to grant access to the gates, when they want to leave, the merely swipe the ID and the gate goes up.

Guests for dinner ar given temporary parking and must get it validated.

Anyone without both a parking Cert and either a validated parking pass or Resort ID must pay full parkinglot price(ie, TTC/Epcot/MGM/AK) upon exiting.


I tend to believe OWTS's story even though I think its a bad meathod, because I can't believe that Valet makes such a deep dent in the resort's pocketbook.
 
I see you are STILL trying, my old buddy Landbaron.

;)

Good for you sir.

Keep fighting the fine fight mate.


As for me,

9 weeks to go or

63 days or

2 months and 1 day

I WILL have the hour count available in the last 2 weeks


And WHY does EVEYBODY I say this to look at me weird and then sarcastically add, "yeah, but WHO'S counting?"


I personally put it down to jealousy.
 
But as I've asked you time and again, where do you draw the line?
Well, I just honestly don't know. Where would you draw the line? The Company has to be profitable and show constant growth in order to stay in business. Lately, this (growth) has been getting in the way of doing things "Disney" and Eisner says he has "seen the light." But profitability & growth still needs to be achieved.

In your scenerio of the Poly Resort Launches, you state
I think the Poly would still sell out without them.
Do you really? I sure see it as a much tougher sell, but if you're right and their occupancy rate wouldn't suffer then yes, they should dump 'em...I wouldn't stay there again, but I'd obviously be part a small minority in your opinion. I still contend that parking your car is just that and bicker's agruments in these matters make perfect sense to me...

And since you point out over & over that I fail to answer the question "where do we draw the line" I will again honestly say I don't know and ask you (again) where do we draw the line? How does the Company still make profits hit growth parameters and still give everything away?
Can't you see it? Without those Disney touch's you'd have a six flaggs.
Yeah and if a pig could fly it'd be a bird...There is still so much Disney at Disney that it will take a total breakdown to back up to the competetion...And to this Disney has to be mindful, I grant you, because where once there was precious little competetion there now is much more and top that off with a general populas that doesn't care about quality and you have the ability for Disney as we know it to cease to exist. Therefore I say it's up to Mike to make it profitable, please the masses and be true to Walt...In that order.
If it doesn't directly affect a certan percentage of people do away with it. That is diametrically opposed to the principals on which the Company was founded.
Hmmm...Maybe, maybe not, but that philosophy is directly in line with succesful business philosophy in the year 2001...
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Well, as far as I know the parking price at the parks is 6 dollars which is the same as the new resort valet rate. I think people would be less likely to park at a resort if they cant valet because they would still have to do all the walking. Depending on the resort they do sometimes do parking passes however there are lots of people who just want to look at the resorts or DVC members who want to enjoy their pool hopping priveliges.

You must also remember that even though Eisner and Pressler are at the top the WD Company is such a huge company that I doubt very much they hear about such small decisions as these. I would tend to think that this decisions came from the Executive VP of Resort Operations, and the VPs of the Resorts.

BTW as of Sunday all of the MK resort launches were still in operation.
 
I know this is my second post but I think that paying for valet parking is not going to lessen the CM tips much. I mean To Insure Prompt Service is what tips means and I dont think that,with all due respect to Landbaron, if prices went up at your favorite eatery that you or any one else would stiff the server.
 
I agree, as usual, with the Baron.

It was one of those things that whether you used valet service or not, you could say Only At Disney Do You Valet Park for Free...

And by the way, for the person who said that Disney could never be Six Flags: I would refer you to Exhibit A, the Sinking Ship Called DCA.
 
YoHo
I don't know landbaron, we were never given the chance to visit a DL without Crystal Chandeliers, so How can we know what the people of 1955 would have been wowed by?
Well, I suppose so. But isn’t that looking at it a little backwards? We do know for an absolute fact what did work. What packed ‘em in. What made it a national success. What carried it forward for forty years without him. Walt’s philosophy did. And we can look to DCA and see what NOT to do. Ei$ner’s philosophy. So you may be right. Perhaps Walt overdid it. But I, like Walt, would rather err on the side of the guest as opposed to the ‘sharp-pencil-guy’. How about you?
I tend to believe OWTS's story even though I think its a bad method, because I can't believe that Valet makes such a deep dent in the resort's pocketbook.
Oh, I don’t doubt OWTS at all. I firmly believe that what he told us is the ‘official’ corporate line. And I further believe that there are some managers and minor executives within the Disney organization that really do believe in the ‘official’ corporate line. They believe it will reduce abuse. Of course they haven’t quite thought it through though, have they? It just doesn’t hold up to any real scrutiny. It is just spin.

Oh Captain, my Captain:
Do you really? I sure see it as a much tougher sell, but if you're right and their occupancy rate wouldn't suffer then yes, they should dump 'em...I wouldn't stay there again, but I'd obviously be part a small minority in your opinion. I still contend that parking your car is just that and bicker's arguments in these matters make perfect sense to me...
You know, Captain. Maybe I’ve been wrong. Maybe I’ve taken too hard a line. Are you surprised? Well, before you start jumping to conclusions, you should wait to hear what I was wrong about. Maybe I was wrong about lists. Yeah, you heard me: lists. You know, the kind that states in the middle of some esoteric ramblings just what is good about Disney. I’ve always contended that these lists only confuse the issue. Basically they are undeniable. And we could ALL make up our own list. So they add little to the conversation (except to stop it for a moment to reply ‘yes, that’s a nice list’). But I’m having second thoughts as related to your statement. Perhaps we should indulge in this exercise just to refresh our memories AND see how different these lists would be. Not a list of rides or big-ticket items. They’d be pretty much the same. No, I mean the little things that brought us to the dance in the first place. The small, seemingly insignificant trivial things that we were just amazed Disney did. Something that made us say, as airlarry said so beautifully, “Only at Disney”. Or, “That’s what makes Disney, Disney!!” I really think the lists would be quite different. What was totally unimportant to you may have tipped in in for me. And I’ll bet there are hundreds of things that just endeared Disney to some that I have never even noticed. That’s why the bicker argument fails. He personalizes it. Or he trusts some lame-brained Disney middle management guy to personalize it for him. And he doesn’t understand the basic Walt philosophy. He doesn’t get it. Time for a quote. This one from page 59:
Disneyland is not just another amusement park. It’s unique, and I want to keep it that way. Besides, you don’t work for a dollar – you work to create and have fun.
If Walt had not had this philosophy we wouldn’t be here today. Oh, Disneyland may still have been a moderate success, but people wouldn’t have fallen in love with it. It would be a business for God’s sake. Nothing more. And who in their right mind, falls in love and spends countless hours discussing, an ordinary business? Not me.
There is still so much Disney at Disney that it will take a total breakdown to back up to the competition
I wonder if that is what the animation fans were saying last year?

renknt
I know this is my second post but I think that paying for valet parking is not going to lessen the CM tips much. I mean To Insure Prompt Service is what tips means and I dont think that, with all due respect to Landbaron, if prices went up at your favorite eatery that you or any one else would stiff the server.
First let me say welcome!!! It was a wonderful post. Please keep it up. Before you know it you’ll have over nine hundred and wonder how it is you’re wasting your life like this!!! ;)

But in answer to your post about stiffing a waiter because the greasy spoon raised the price of the blue plate special: Absolutely not. But I won’t over tip any longer, which I think I was doing. And some will not tip at all. Take a look at this topic throughout all of The DIS. It is posted at least four times that I know of. Also check out RADP and some of the Disney mail groups. There are some that have stated that their generosity will be less than before if Disney charges the six bucks. A further intangible is the typical response of NOT using valet service any longer. Many, many people have stated this. And even if those people only tipped a buck or two, those are dollars the valets will never see. So in essence, their weekly take is substantially reduced.
 















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