Use year question

Salf777

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So I just get confused with this use year thing. we usually travel to Disney in September to November prefer weekdays. Fortunately we can travel whenever we wish and have no problem planning 11 months in advance.
So from what I’m reading I should buy a September use year? Is the reason for this so I can book my home resort 11 months out? Should you always make your use year the month you most likely travel?
Thanks
 
So I just get confused with this use year thing. we usually travel to Disney in September to November prefer weekdays. Fortunately we can travel whenever we wish and have no problem planning 11 months in advance.
So from what I’m reading I should buy a September use year? Is the reason for this so I can book my home resort 11 months out? Should you always make your use year the month you most likely travel?
Thanks
The reason for a September UY would be because you want to routinely travel as early as possible in your UY. That way, if you cancel the trip you are still within your banking window or have several months in which to book another trip if you don’t choose to bank.

UY has nothing to do with when you can book your home resort.
 
Primary thought:
  • Have UY be the first month you travel
  • Allows longer if you need to cancel and want to bank points
  • Allows longer if you cancel within 30 days and your points go in to holding (can't bank then so you have to use it during that UY)
  • Best for giving you most flexibility within the UY
Other thought:
  • Go with cheapest resale contract
  • Your travel will change in the next 20-50 years so what is the start of travel today won't be in future possibly
  • You need to bank 4 months out so really as long as your UY is not during when you would travel you would be "fine"

Basically its all about risk tolerance. The longer you have in your UY from when you travel the more chance you have to use points if something falls through.

There is no real right answer.
 
As mentioned, you really want a UY that is right before typical travel so you give yourself the best options if you need to cancel or change a trip.

No UY will work for all times. Given your travel, Sept UY is ideal, but June and Aug work well for those travel times too.

You can always book your home resort 11 months in advance, no matter the UY.
 

The reason for a September UY would be because you want to routinely travel as early as possible in your UY. That way, if you cancel the trip you are still within your banking window or have several months in which to book another trip if you don’t choose to bank.

UY has nothing to do with when you can book your home resort.
Thank you I couldnt figure that out!
 
Primary thought:
  • Have UY be the first month you travel
  • Allows longer if you need to cancel and want to bank points
  • Allows longer if you cancel within 30 days and your points go in to holding (can't bank then so you have to use it during that UY)
  • Best for giving you most flexibility within the UY
Other thought:
  • Go with cheapest resale contract
  • Your travel will change in the next 20-50 years so what is the start of travel today won't be in future possibly
  • You need to bank 4 months out so really as long as your UY is not during when you would travel you would be "fine"

Basically its all about risk tolerance. The longer you have in your UY from when you travel the more chance you have to use points if something falls through.

There is no real right answer.
Thanks this helps A LOT!
 
I hate the term "Use Year." It really should be "Use Month" or something more descriptive. Just try to remember its only significance is that it determines which month your points get loaded into your account each year, and as the other responses indicate, it's a little more beneficial to have your points loaded just before you plan to use them, as if you have to cancel, you have a lot more breathing room to re-use them, compared to if they've been sitting for a while.
 
I hate the term "Use Year." It really should be "Use Month" or something more descriptive. Just try to remember its only significance is that it determines which month your points get loaded into your account each year, and as the other responses indicate, it's a little more beneficial to have your points loaded just before you plan to use them, as if you have to cancel, you have a lot more breathing room to re-use them, compared to if they've been sitting for a while.

Except it very literally is the year term of your points usage.

Maybe it could be referred to as anniversary date or something but remember this verbiage was all laid out well before the average person every had much more than a newspaper subscription.
 
Yikes, even this sentence is confusing. What does the "year term of your points usage" mean?

You have a 1 year term to use your points. So it is describing that 1 year period that you have to use your points.

UY is not referring to the date of points being loaded in to your contract. Now you can infer based on UY when points will be loaded but UY is just stating what time frame each year of your contract runs. Year 1 runs from Jun 1 - May 30 / Year 2 runs ...... and so on.
 
You have a 1 year term to use your points. So it is describing that 1 year period that you have to use your points.

UY is not referring to the date of points being loaded in to your contract. Now you can infer based on UY when points will be loaded but UY is just stating what time frame each year of your contract runs. Year 1 runs from Jun 1 - May 30 / Year 2 runs ...... and so on.

Ah, gotcha, thank you for clarifying. I get it now, and you're right, it does make a little more sense in that context.
 
Think of UY like Fiscal Year. Disney FY is Oct 1 to Sept 30. US Fed Govt FY is Oct 1 to Sept 30. Some companies have a FY July 1 to June 30. Forget all about calendar year when you are talking about UY.
 
If usual trips are between Sep and Nov, then your ideal use year is likely August, although June would also be fine (there Is no July use year). Why August:

1. Use year does not determine when you can go, which is any time of year, or when you can first go online or call to make a reservation, which is always 11-months from date of arrival at your home resort and 7-months at other DVC Resorts.

2. A key reason to choose a use year that begins shortly before you usually go annually simply has to do with the risk of cancellation of a reservation. As long as you cancel a reservation 31 or more days before arrival, any points used go back into your account in the same status they had when put into the reservation -- current use year points go back into the current use year, banked or borrowed use year points stay in the use year into which they were banked or borrowed. If you cancel a reservation 30 days or fewer out, all points go into holding (which has been temporarily suspended during this Covid time), something you definitely want to avoid because points in holding all expire at the end of the existing use year and can be used only to make reservations 60 days or fewer from arrival date, which for DVC can often be something that is impossible to do because rooms will fill before 60 days out.

3. But cancelling 31 days or more out can itself be a disaster if it is a reservation that was set up to take place near the end of your use year. Example: assume an August use year and you make a reservation for July 2021 in Aug 2020, and you have to cancel reservation at the end of May 2021 more than 30-days from date of arrival. If there are any banked Aug 2019 points or borrowed Aug 2021 points that are returned from that reservation, they must be used for a trip that ends by no later than July 31, 2021. The same applies to any current August 2020 use year points that return to your account because you only have until the end of the eighth month of your use year, March 31 for an August use year, to bank all your points. In other words, if you cancel at end of May, you would have only about 60 days left to make another reservation that uses any of those points, which again is something often impossible to do.

4. Now assume you have an August use year and make a reservation in Oct 2020 for September 2021, using "current" use year points from the Aug 2021 use year, and banked Aug 2020 use year points, and borrowed points from the Aug 2022 use year. And then you find at end of July 2021 that you have to cancel. All those points go back into the Aug 2021 use year and you have until July 31, 2022 to use them, and can even even bank the Aug 2021 points into the August 2022 use year. Result: no real risk of losing the points due to the cancellation. That is the main benefit for having a use year that begins shortly before you usually go to WDW.

5. Why August (or June which would accomplish the same thing) rather than a September use year. For many, September would likely be fine in that situation. But, particularly because Sep now has a stretch of days that have the lowest point requirements of the year, you have a second factor to consider and it is called "walking a reservation." A large proportion of DVC Members are naturally bargain-oriented (e.g., a main reason to buy DVC is to avoid paying very high hotel room costs for every stay), and desire to get rooms that have the least nightly point cost at the resort they own, particularly during lower point cost seasons, but the number of available rooms in that low-point-cost category are too few to meet the demand. What now exists is a problem of getting a number of rooms even at 11-months out, e.g., at times they go full at nanoseconds after the ability to reserve opens at 8 a.m. at 11-months out; the winners are simply those whose computers communicate fastest with Disney's computers. With varying degrees of the problem, those rooms include AKV value studios, BLT standard studios, BWV standard and boardwalk view studios, VGF studios, and CCV studios.

6. If your desire is to get any room that has an 11-month reservation issue, and you want to go in September, then an August use year will be better than September. That is because you can start "walking a reservation" with August arrival dates, which you cannot do with a September use year. Walking consists of actually doing a reservation before the time you want and then modifying it regularly until you have the dates you want. For example, suppose you want Sep 10-17, 2021. As is often the case, a number of those rooms with an 11-month issue may actually be open at 11-months out for much of Aug, although they may be near impossible to get at 11-months out for a September start date. So what happens is that at 11-months out you find a day in Aug 2021 to make a 7-night reservation. Then every 6-days or less, you modify that reservation to a new 7-day period without having to cancel the existing reservation first. Continue that process until you have the actual dates in Sep that you want. Why does that work? Once you make a reservation 11-months, the room you have cannot be reserved by anyone else at 11-months out from any night you actually have the room reserved. For example, if you have Aug 10-17 2021, no one else trying to book at exactly 11-months out for start dates from Aug 10 to Aug 16 can get your room for such a start date or any nights thereafter. As long as you continuously modify the resorvation at least every 6 days, you will end up with the Sep dates you actually want.

7. The problem with a Sep use year in that situation is that the earliest you can begin a walk is for an arrival date that is on or after the beginning of the use year in which your trip will take place, e.g., in that case an Aug 2021 reservation would need for you to borrow Sep 2021 points to make it and once borrowed they cannot be put back into the Sep 2021 use year and thus cannot be used to "walk" to a Sep 2021 trip. Thus, for that Sep reservation, you could not start a "walking" reservation in Aug. As a result, if your desire is to get one of those difficult to reserve rooms and start a walk for a Sep (or even Oct) reservation in August, you need an August use year not September.
 
If usual trips are between Sep and Nov, then your ideal use year is likely August, although June would also be fine (there Is no July use year). Why August:

1. Use year does not determine when you can go, which is any time of year, or when you can first go online or call to make a reservation, which is always 11-months from date of arrival at your home resort and 7-months at other DVC Resorts.

2. A key reason to choose a use year that begins shortly before you usually go annually simply has to do with the risk of cancellation of a reservation. As long as you cancel a reservation 31 or more days before arrival, any points used go back into your account in the same status they had when put into the reservation -- current use year points go back into the current use year, banked or borrowed use year points stay in the use year into which they were banked or borrowed. If you cancel a reservation 30 days or fewer out, all points go into holding (which has been temporarily suspended during this Covid time), something you definitely want to avoid because points in holding all expire at the end of the existing use year and can be used only to make reservations 60 days or fewer from arrival date, which for DVC can often be something that is impossible to do because rooms will fill before 60 days out.

3. But cancelling 31 days or more out can itself be a disaster if it is a reservation that was set up to take place near the end of your use year. Example: assume an August use year and you make a reservation for July 2021 in Aug 2020, and you have to cancel reservation at the end of May 2021 more than 30-days from date of arrival. If there are any banked Aug 2019 points or borrowed Aug 2021 points that are returned from that reservation, they must be used for a trip that ends by no later than July 31, 2021. The same applies to any current August 2020 use year points that return to your account because you only have until the end of the eighth month of your use year, March 31 for an August use year, to bank all your points. In other words, if you cancel at end of May, you would have only about 60 days left to make another reservation that uses any of those points, which again is something often impossible to do.

4. Now assume you have an August use year and make a reservation in Oct 2020 for September 2021, using "current" use year points from the Aug 2021 use year, and banked Aug 2020 use year points, and borrowed points from the Aug 2022 use year. And then you find at end of July 2021 that you have to cancel. All those points go back into the Aug 2021 use year and you have until July 31, 2022 to use them, and can even even bank the Aug 2021 points into the August 2022 use year. Result: no real risk of losing the points due to the cancellation. That is the main benefit for having a use year that begins shortly before you usually go to WDW.

5. Why August (or June which would accomplish the same thing) rather than a September use year. For many, September would likely be fine in that situation. But, particularly because Sep now has a stretch of days that have the lowest point requirements of the year, you have a second factor to consider and it is called "walking a reservation." A large proportion of DVC Members are naturally bargain-oriented (e.g., a main reason to buy DVC is to avoid paying very high hotel room costs for every stay), and desire to get rooms that have the least nightly point cost at the resort they own, particularly during lower point cost seasons, but the number of available rooms in that low-point-cost category are too few to meet the demand. What now exists is a problem of getting a number of rooms even at 11-months out, e.g., at times they go full at nanoseconds after the ability to reserve opens at 8 a.m. at 11-months out; the winners are simply those whose computers communicate fastest with Disney's computers. With varying degrees of the problem, those rooms include AKV value studios, BLT standard studios, BWV standard and boardwalk view studios, VGF studios, and CCV studios.

6. If your desire is to get any room that has an 11-month reservation issue, and you want to go in September, then an August use year will be better than September. That is because you can start "walking a reservation" with August arrival dates, which you cannot do with a September use year. Walking consists of actually doing a reservation before the time you want and then modifying it regularly until you have the dates you want. For example, suppose you want Sep 10-17, 2021. As is often the case, a number of those rooms with an 11-month issue may actually be open at 11-months out for much of Aug, although they may be near impossible to get at 11-months out for a September start date. So what happens is that at 11-months out you find a day in Aug 2021 to make a 7-night reservation. Then every 6-days or less, you modify that reservation to a new 7-day period without having to cancel the existing reservation first. Continue that process until you have the actual dates in Sep that you want. Why does that work? Once you make a reservation 11-months, the room you have cannot be reserved by anyone else at 11-months out from any night you actually have the room reserved. For example, if you have Aug 10-17 2021, no one else trying to book at exactly 11-months out for start dates from Aug 10 to Aug 16 can get your room for such a start date or any nights thereafter. As long as you continuously modify the resorvation at least every 6 days, you will end up with the Sep dates you actually want.

7. The problem with a Sep use year in that situation is that the earliest you can begin a walk is for an arrival date that is on or after the beginning of the use year in which your trip will take place, e.g., in that case an Aug 2021 reservation would need for you to borrow Sep 2021 points to make it and once borrowed they cannot be put back into the Sep 2021 use year and thus cannot be used to "walk" to a Sep 2021 trip. Thus, for that Sep reservation, you could not start a "walking" reservation in Aug. As a result, if your desire is to get one of those difficult to reserve rooms and start a walk for a Sep (or even Oct) reservation in August, you need an August use year not September.
This is awesome and a great explanation! Huge help thank you
 
If usual trips are between Sep and Nov, then your ideal use year is likely August, although June would also be fine (there Is no July use year). Why August:

1. Use year does not determine when you can go, which is any time of year, or when you can first go online or call to make a reservation, which is always 11-months from date of arrival at your home resort and 7-months at other DVC Resorts.

2. A key reason to choose a use year that begins shortly before you usually go annually simply has to do with the risk of cancellation of a reservation. As long as you cancel a reservation 31 or more days before arrival, any points used go back into your account in the same status they had when put into the reservation -- current use year points go back into the current use year, banked or borrowed use year points stay in the use year into which they were banked or borrowed. If you cancel a reservation 30 days or fewer out, all points go into holding (which has been temporarily suspended during this Covid time), something you definitely want to avoid because points in holding all expire at the end of the existing use year and can be used only to make reservations 60 days or fewer from arrival date, which for DVC can often be something that is impossible to do because rooms will fill before 60 days out.

3. But cancelling 31 days or more out can itself be a disaster if it is a reservation that was set up to take place near the end of your use year. Example: assume an August use year and you make a reservation for July 2021 in Aug 2020, and you have to cancel reservation at the end of May 2021 more than 30-days from date of arrival. If there are any banked Aug 2019 points or borrowed Aug 2021 points that are returned from that reservation, they must be used for a trip that ends by no later than July 31, 2021. The same applies to any current August 2020 use year points that return to your account because you only have until the end of the eighth month of your use year, March 31 for an August use year, to bank all your points. In other words, if you cancel at end of May, you would have only about 60 days left to make another reservation that uses any of those points, which again is something often impossible to do.

4. Now assume you have an August use year and make a reservation in Oct 2020 for September 2021, using "current" use year points from the Aug 2021 use year, and banked Aug 2020 use year points, and borrowed points from the Aug 2022 use year. And then you find at end of July 2021 that you have to cancel. All those points go back into the Aug 2021 use year and you have until July 31, 2022 to use them, and can even even bank the Aug 2021 points into the August 2022 use year. Result: no real risk of losing the points due to the cancellation. That is the main benefit for having a use year that begins shortly before you usually go to WDW.

5. Why August (or June which would accomplish the same thing) rather than a September use year. For many, September would likely be fine in that situation. But, particularly because Sep now has a stretch of days that have the lowest point requirements of the year, you have a second factor to consider and it is called "walking a reservation." A large proportion of DVC Members are naturally bargain-oriented (e.g., a main reason to buy DVC is to avoid paying very high hotel room costs for every stay), and desire to get rooms that have the least nightly point cost at the resort they own, particularly during lower point cost seasons, but the number of available rooms in that low-point-cost category are too few to meet the demand. What now exists is a problem of getting a number of rooms even at 11-months out, e.g., at times they go full at nanoseconds after the ability to reserve opens at 8 a.m. at 11-months out; the winners are simply those whose computers communicate fastest with Disney's computers. With varying degrees of the problem, those rooms include AKV value studios, BLT standard studios, BWV standard and boardwalk view studios, VGF studios, and CCV studios.

6. If your desire is to get any room that has an 11-month reservation issue, and you want to go in September, then an August use year will be better than September. That is because you can start "walking a reservation" with August arrival dates, which you cannot do with a September use year. Walking consists of actually doing a reservation before the time you want and then modifying it regularly until you have the dates you want. For example, suppose you want Sep 10-17, 2021. As is often the case, a number of those rooms with an 11-month issue may actually be open at 11-months out for much of Aug, although they may be near impossible to get at 11-months out for a September start date. So what happens is that at 11-months out you find a day in Aug 2021 to make a 7-night reservation. Then every 6-days or less, you modify that reservation to a new 7-day period without having to cancel the existing reservation first. Continue that process until you have the actual dates in Sep that you want. Why does that work? Once you make a reservation 11-months, the room you have cannot be reserved by anyone else at 11-months out from any night you actually have the room reserved. For example, if you have Aug 10-17 2021, no one else trying to book at exactly 11-months out for start dates from Aug 10 to Aug 16 can get your room for such a start date or any nights thereafter. As long as you continuously modify the resorvation at least every 6 days, you will end up with the Sep dates you actually want.

7. The problem with a Sep use year in that situation is that the earliest you can begin a walk is for an arrival date that is on or after the beginning of the use year in which your trip will take place, e.g., in that case an Aug 2021 reservation would need for you to borrow Sep 2021 points to make it and once borrowed they cannot be put back into the Sep 2021 use year and thus cannot be used to "walk" to a Sep 2021 trip. Thus, for that Sep reservation, you could not start a "walking" reservation in Aug. As a result, if your desire is to get one of those difficult to reserve rooms and start a walk for a Sep (or even Oct) reservation in August, you need an August use year not September.

I'm adding my thanks and bookmarking this! I’m also new to researching DVC and walking reservations was next on my list to investigate.

I thought I had the Use Year thing figured out, but adding in the potential need for walking, I’m wondering if August would be the best UY for me as well.

My main travel times are November (Jersey Week) and end of March/early April (my birthday/Easter). I plan to throw in additional shorter trips some years – mostly October (Columbus Day), but occasionally September.

I was originally thinking Sept or Oct would be the best UY to have the most time to bank my points. If I have an Aug UY instead (to cover walking Sept trips), I would need to bank my points by the end of April. If I need to cancel an April trip, I would do it 31 days ahead or more, and I should know then whether I’d need to bank the points.

Does this all sound like I’m on the right track?
 
It depends on how flexible you think you will need to be on your trip dates. For example, we have Feb. UY, and our typical trip is a pretty set-in-stone early August week. This works, as if for any reason we had to cancel our trip, we'd need to bank the points by October 1. The latest we could plan a trip and still be able to bank would be September. That works for us because the kids in school precludes any trip after that NMW. We could not have a December UY, because we would be outside of our banking window and would lose the points if we had to cancel. It's really the 4 months prior to your UY that should concern you - if you think you'll want to plan a trip during those months, you probably want a different UY (could still do it, but it's risky).
 
walking reservations was next on my list to investigate

It easy really you book a reservation whenever you see the room available. Then every few days you go in and update your reservation to move it. Your goal is to always have your last day of the trip at 11 months + 1 day or later. This blocks others from booking the same room.

Walking is only really needed for a limited number of rooms at a limited number times of the year. Walking across a UY though can be difficult and cause potential issues.

Walking is viewed in many different lights here. The reason is you are essentially blocking someone else from booking their vacation when you have no attention to use the room you had booked.
 
If I have an Aug UY instead (to cover walking Sept trips), I would need to bank my points by the end of April. If I need to cancel an April trip, I would do it 31 days ahead or more, and I should know then whether I’d need to bank the points.

Does this all sound like I’m on the right track?

Just a quick clarification... August UY points need to be banked by the end of March. 🙂
 
It easy really you book a reservation whenever you see the room available. Then every few days you go in and update your reservation to move it. Your goal is to always have your last day of the trip at 11 months + 1 day or later. This blocks others from booking the same room.

Walking is only really needed for a limited number of rooms at a limited number times of the year. Walking across a UY though can be difficult and cause potential issues.

Walking is viewed in many different lights here. The reason is you are essentially blocking someone else from booking their vacation when you have no attention to use the room you had booked.

Thanks, that's super helpful! I do only expect to only encounter it occasionally. I like to travel the same time periods each year, but my start and end dates are usually flexible, which should help. I'll do some more reading on walking to see the positives and negatives.

This all helps in trying to decide which Use Year to focus on when I'm checking resale listings.

Just a quick clarification... August UY points need to be banked by the end of March. 🙂

I'm glad I asked! Now I'm thinking a Sept UY will give me an extra month to bank points, which outweighs the potential for occasional Sept trips. Which could change in the future anyway 🤣
 
This all helps in trying to decide which Use Year to focus on when I'm checking resale listings.

To add its partly why I am happy with a April UY even though I normally will travel Sept-Jan with the very occasional July trip. It gives me the most time to walk a reservation in the future if I want to and at the same time I would easily know by November if I am going on my holiday trips.

My fallback for a last second cancellation would be renting my points for a discount but that would be the same regardless of my UY because if I am cancelling last second something bad likely has happened to where I wouldn't be traveling anytime soon anyways.

I don't plan on walking but want to give myself the most options if in the future I start getting locked in to specific dates I have to travel.
 



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