use short term disability for doctor's visit

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Asking on behalf of a friend, she is not sure whether is it possible or how to use short term disability for doctor's visit...

Background
she started a new job and has a lousy manager....she made it clear that she has some doctor's visits to the manager's manager before accepting the new job... but found out her manager was totally not understanding, the manager wasn't happy whenever she has to leave early or come in late because of the doctor's visits (she has no problem of prodcing doctor's note if she were asked)..despite everytime she tried to work extra hours to compensate for the time missed.

End of December, she has a disagreement with her manager, a long story, anyway, she took a sick day to see doctors (because she was getting tired of asking "favor" for coming in late, therefore she would just take a sick day to schedule more than one doctor), everyone knew about it ahead of time, but she was blamed for a co-worker not showing up for work (not her fault but the manager's fault), it was obvious that they tried to pin everything on her, after she showed proof that the manager knew about the other co-worker didn't find a replacement to cover his work, they told her that she should send out the mail for the sick day at 7:30 am instead of 8:30 am (even she was supposed to work 9 to 6), they then told her that vacation days should be used for doctor's visit.

She has now decided to use her vacation days for doctor's visit, but what will happen if she uses up her vacation days and sick days, then she needs to see a doctor, can she use short term disability for doctor's visit?
 
Asking on behalf of a friend, she is not sure whether is it possible or how to use short term disability for doctor's visit...

Background
she started a new job and has a lousy manager....she made it clear that she has some doctor's visits to the manager's manager before accepting the new job... but found out her manager was totally not understanding, the manager wasn't happy whenever she has to leave early or come in late because of the doctor's visits (she has no problem of prodcing doctor's note if she were asked)..despite everytime she tried to work extra hours to compensate for the time missed.

End of December, she has a disagreement with her manager, a long story, anyway, she took a sick day to see doctors (because she was getting tired of asking "favor" for coming in late, therefore she would just take a sick day to schedule more than one doctor), everyone knew about it ahead of time, but she was blamed for a co-worker not showing up for work (not her fault but the manager's fault), it was obvious that they tried to pin everything on her, after she showed proof that the manager knew about the other co-worker didn't find a replacement to cover his work, they told her that she should send out the mail for the sick day at 7:30 am instead of 8:30 am (even she was supposed to work 9 to 6), they then told her that vacation days should be used for doctor's visit.

She has now decided to use her vacation days for doctor's visit, but what will happen if she uses up her vacation days and sick days, then she needs to see a doctor, can she use short term disability for doctor's visit?

LOL, no. Short term disability is to help you out when you can't work due to a temporary disability (illness, injury, etc.)

Is she exempt or nonexempt? Can't she see a doctor during lunch, on the weekend, or after work?
 
If your friend works in NJ, the short answer is no. In order to be eligible for short-term disability in NJ, the disability cannot last for less than 7 days.
 
Asking on behalf of a friend, she is not sure whether is it possible or how to use short term disability for doctor's visit...

Background
she started a new job and has a lousy manager....she made it clear that she has some doctor's visits to the manager's manager before accepting the new job... but found out her manager was totally not understanding, the manager wasn't happy whenever she has to leave early or come in late because of the doctor's visits (she has no problem of prodcing doctor's note if she were asked)..despite everytime she tried to work extra hours to compensate for the time missed.

End of December, she has a disagreement with her manager, a long story, anyway, she took a sick day to see doctors (because she was getting tired of asking "favor" for coming in late, therefore she would just take a sick day to schedule more than one doctor), everyone knew about it ahead of time, but she was blamed for a co-worker not showing up for work (not her fault but the manager's fault), it was obvious that they tried to pin everything on her, after she showed proof that the manager knew about the other co-worker didn't find a replacement to cover his work, they told her that she should send out the mail for the sick day at 7:30 am instead of 8:30 am (even she was supposed to work 9 to 6), they then told her that vacation days should be used for doctor's visit.

She has now decided to use her vacation days for doctor's visit, but what will happen if she uses up her vacation days and sick days, then she needs to see a doctor, can she use short term disability for doctor's visit?

Isn't short term disability for when you are medically unable to work? She is capable of working those days right? So why would she expect disability?
Is she really going to use up all her vacation days for dr. appointments? Why does she have so many appointments?
 

FMLA
Won't give her any time however, protects against harassment

I had it when I had sciatica for my back in case I couldn't come in one day or had to go to physical therapy.
 
Tell her to look into FMLA. A friend of mine uses it to take her husband to doctor's appointments (she wouldn't have any days left for herself or her daughter if she didn't). I'm not sure how it works, but it was HR who suggested she use it and she has been doing it this way for years now.

lol. posted at the same time.
 
I was also going to suggest FMLA. I have had a couple of coworkers who use FMLH for "intermittent" health issues, i.e. migraines.

However - AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS - I think you need to be employed for a specific number of days before you are eligible.
 
I was also going to suggest FMLA. I have had a couple of coworkers who use FMLH for "intermittent" health issues, i.e. migraines.

However - AND I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS - I think you need to be employed for a specific number of days before you are eligible.

From the US Department of Labor website:

http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/#.UOEduXd9RjM

Family and Medical Leave Act

Overview

The FMLA entitles eligible employees of covered employers to take unpaid, job-protected leave for specified family and medical reasons with continuation of group health insurance coverage under the same terms and conditions as if the employee had not taken leave. Eligible employees are entitled to:

Twelve workweeks of leave in a 12-month period for:
the birth of a child and to care for the newborn child within one year of birth;
the placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care and to care for the newly placed child within one year of placement;
to care for the employees spouse, child, or parent who has a serious health condition;
a serious health condition that makes the employee unable to perform the essential functions of his or her job;
any qualifying exigency arising out of the fact that the employees spouse, son, daughter, or parent is a covered military member on covered active duty; or

Twenty-six workweeks of leave during a single 12-month period to care for a covered servicemember with a serious injury or illness if the eligible employee is the servicemembers spouse, son, daughter, parent, or next of kin (military caregiver leave).

Additional information:

http://www.dol.gov/compliance/guide/fmla.htm

Who is Covered

The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) is administered by the Wage and Hour Division (WHD). The FMLA provides a means for employees to balance their work and family responsibilities by taking unpaid leave for certain reasons. The Act is intended to promote the stability and economic security of families as well as the nation's interest in preserving the integrity of families.

The FMLA applies to any employer in the private sector who engages in commerce, or in any industry or activity affecting commerce, and who has 50 or more employees each working day during at least 20 calendar weeks in the current or preceding calendar year.

The law also covers all public agencies (state and local governments) and local education agencies (schools, whether public or private). These employers do not need to meet the "50 employee" test. Title II of FMLA covers most federal employees, who are subject to regulations issued by the Office of Personnel Management.

To be eligible for FMLA leave, an individual must meet the following criteria:

Be employed by a covered employer and work at a worksite within 75 miles of which that employer employs at least 50 people;
Have worked at least 12 months (which do not have to be consecutive) for the employer; and
Have worked at least 1,250 hours during the 12 months immediately before the date FMLA leave begins.


An employer need not count employment prior to a break in service of seven years or more unless there was a written agreement between the employer and employee (including a collective bargaining agreement) to rehire the employee, or the break in service was due to fulfillment of military service in the National Guard or Reserves.

Basic Provisions/Requirements

The FMLA entitles eligible employees of covered employers to take job-protected, unpaid leave for specified family and medical reasons. Eligible employees are entitled to:

Twelve workweeks of leave in any 12-month period for:

Birth and care of the employee's child, within one year of birth
Placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care, within one year of the placement
Care of an immediate family member (spouse, child, parent) who has a serious health condition
For the employee's own serious health condition that makes the employee unable to perform the essential functions of his or her job
Any qualifying exigency arising out of the fact that the employees spouse, son, daughter, or parent is on active duty or has been notified of an impending call or order to active duty in the U.S. National Guard or Reserves in support of a contingency operation

Twenty-six workweeks of leave during a single 12-month period to care for a covered servicemember with a serious injury or illness if the employee is the spouse, son, daughter, parent, or next of kin of the servicemember (Military Caregiver Leave)

If an employee was receiving group health benefits when leave began, an employer must maintain them at the same level and in the same manner during periods of FMLA leave as if the employee had continued to work. An employee may elect (or the employer may require) the substitution of any accrued paid leave (vacation, sick, personal, etc.) for periods of unpaid FMLA leave. Substitution means the accrued paid leave runs concurrently with the FMLA leave period. An employees ability to substitute accrued paid leave is determined by the terms and conditions of the employers normal leave policy.

Employees may take FMLA leave intermittently or on a reduced leave schedule (that is, in blocks of time less than the full amount of the entitlement) when medically necessary or when the leave is due to a qualifying exigency. Taking intermittent leave for the placement for adoption or foster care of a child is subject to the employer's approval. Intermittent leave taken for the birth of a child is also subject to the employer's approval. However, employer approval is not required for intermittent or reduced schedule leave that is medically necessary due to pregnancy, a serious health condition, or the serious illness or injury of a covered servicemember. Employer approval also is not required when intermittent or reduced schedule leave is necessary due to a qualifying exigency.

When the need for leave is foreseeable, an employee must give the employer at least 30 days notice, or as much notice as is practicable. When the leave is not foreseeable, the employee must provide notice as soon as practicable in the particular circumstances. An employee must comply with the employers usual and customary notice and procedural requirements for requesting leave, absent unusual circumstances. In requesting leave an employee must provide sufficient information for the employer to reasonably determine whether the FMLA may apply to the leave request. When the employee seeks leave for a qualifying reason for which the employer has previously provided the employee FMLA-protected leave, the employee must specifically reference the qualifying reason for the leave or the need for FMLA leave.

An employer may require that a serious health condition, or a serious illness or injury of a covered servicemember, be supported by a certification from the employee's health care provider, the employees family members health care provider, or an authorized health care provider of the covered servicemember. An employer may also require periodic reports of the employee's status and intent to return to work during the leave. Additionally, under certain conditions, an employer may require that an employee who takes FMLA leave for his or her own serious health condition submit a certification from the employees health care provider that the employee is able to return to work, a "fitnessforduty" certification.

An employee who returns from FMLA leave is entitled to be restored to the same or an equivalent job with equivalent pay, benefits, and other terms and conditions of employment. The employee may, but is not entitled to, accrue additional benefits during periods of unpaid FMLA leave. However, the employer must return him or her to employment with the same benefits at the same levels as existed when leave began.

Employee Rights

The FMLA provides that eligible employees of covered employers have a right to take job-protected leave for qualifying events without interference or restraint from their employers. An eligible employee has the right to have group health insurance maintained during a period of FMLA leave under the same terms and conditions as if the employee had not taken leave and has the right to be restored to the same or an equivalent position at the end of the FMLA leave.

The FMLA also gives employees the right to file a complaint with the Wage and Hour Division, file a private lawsuit under the Act (or cause a complaint or lawsuit to be filed), and testify or cooperate in other ways with an investigation or lawsuit without being fired or discriminated against in any other manner.

Employees and other persons may file complaints with a local Wage and Hour Division office. The Department of Labor may file suit to ensure compliance and recover damages if a complaint cannot be resolved administratively. Most employees also have private rights of action, without involvement of the Department of Labor, to correct violations and recover damages through the courts.

Failure on the part of employers to follow the FMLA notice requirements, may constitute an interference with, restraint, or denial of the exercise of an employees FMLA rights.

Note that leave under the FMLA is unpaid. Even so, since your friend just started working for this company, it doesn't appear as though she'd qualify for leave under FMLA.
 
No, you cannot use Short Term Disability for doctors appts. It is for a medical issues where you are out for a length of time at once, not just for random doctors appts. In fact most companies make you use your sick time before they start up short term disability. Short term disability also does not give you fill pay, only 3/4 (at least in the states that I have worked in.

How often does she have doctors visits and what type of work does she do?

She really needs to work through with HR on how to handle this whole thing.
 
FMLA
Won't give her any time however, protects against harassment

I had it when I had sciatica for my back in case I couldn't come in one day or had to go to physical therapy.

If it's a new job Federal FMLA won't cover her, she needs to have been there a year.

Some states have FMLA that goes beyond federal limits though.
 
Make sure the workplace even pays into disability. Recently I was out of work for 2 weeks due to surgery. I found out that my work place doesn't pay into disability - the employees have to buy it extra from Aflack, though Aflack denied some of them due to pre-existing conditions. So almost no one at my work has it. Definitely no short-term for me.
 
thank you.
She is exempt. she can't see most of the doctors on weekends or after work. Work is nearly an hour from home, she works 9 to 6 and had tried to leave an hour early one day and still could not make the 6:30 pm appointment due to after hour traffic. Her manager does not like her to take extended time for lunch as no one in her group takes lunch break, they eat in their cubicles.
yes, she is capable of working. She is in NJ too.

She has type 2 diabetes, she sees an endocrinologist, a regular doctor, she has back pain, and has physical therapy, physical therapy does have Saturday schedule, but she can't take the weekday schedule, hence she has stopped physical therapy. She has regular check up, then mammography. she has not been taking all of them. Then there is the dentist appointments. Say in the last 10 days, she had 2 different minor surgeries, but it took her 4 days, including follow up visits and taking off the stitches, and she used her vacation days.

The work place does offer STD and LTD

She still plans to take the vacation (otherwise it will be punishing her family), therefore she does not want to choose taking vacation or seeing doctor. She is thinking of using part of her vacation time for vacation, but if she were to use vacation time to see the doctors, she will likely using up her vacation time mid year.

Therefore it seems that FMLA is the only option, right? I will suggest her to look into it.
She can afford not getting paid while on FMLA.
She will be looking for another job, but with the economy now, she is not optimistic she will get anything soon.

Honestly, I was shocked when I found out that her manager wasn't happy when she asked to leave early to see doctors or go in an hour late but she offered to stay late.. The woman, her manager, was not happy when she took her vacation days. I think her manager was just mean, her office offered flu shot, but she has to go to another site which as 10 minutes away for the shot, she scheduled to go during lunch, she told her manager, the woman was not happy and asked her to go to an office 30 minutes away, so that she could "spend the day" in that office and have her work done. (In the closer office, there was no office space for her to "work", the extra 30 minutes mean that my friend had to go to office earlier so that she still be on time).

I searched whether this topic has been discussed and found an old thread on "loyalty" to the company. For this type of manager, why bother to be loyal.
 
TRUE. It just helps with the harassment and being forced to use up all your sick or PTO days.

I didn't think you could FMLA for a few hours here and there, I thought it had to be in chunks of time, like a month.
 
I didn't think you could FMLA for a few hours here and there, I thought it had to be in chunks of time, like a month.

Perhaps it varies by state. But in NY you can take FMLA leave in hours, days or weeks.
 
OP, not sure how your friend's company works, but with mine you need to accrue vacation/sick time (PTO-paid time off) before you can take it. If you take it and leave soon thereafter, you will be docked from your final paycheck. And since, I believe, NJ is an employment-at-will state, your friend doesn't have many rights. Sounds like she has ongoing medical needs and, honesty, I don't see how she thinks any employer will put up with a new employee constantly leaving early, taking days off, coming in late. Sorry, I know that's not a popular view, but it's the way an employment-at-will state runs.
 
thank you.
She is exempt. she can't see most of the doctors on weekends or after work. Work is nearly an hour from home, she works 9 to 6 and had tried to leave an hour early one day and still could not make the 6:30 pm appointment due to after hour traffic. Her manager does not like her to take extended time for lunch as no one in her group takes lunch break, they eat in their cubicles.
yes, she is capable of working. She is in NJ too.

She has type 2 diabetes, she sees an endocrinologist, a regular doctor, she has back pain, and has physical therapy, physical therapy does have Saturday schedule, but she can't take the weekday schedule, hence she has stopped physical therapy. She has regular check up, then mammography. she has not been taking all of them. Then there is the dentist appointments. Say in the last 10 days, she had 2 different minor surgeries, but it took her 4 days, including follow up visits and taking off the stitches, and she used her vacation days.

The work place does offer STD and LTD

She still plans to take the vacation (otherwise it will be punishing her family), therefore she does not want to choose taking vacation or seeing doctor. She is thinking of using part of her vacation time for vacation, but if she were to use vacation time to see the doctors, she will likely using up her vacation time mid year.

Therefore it seems that FMLA is the only option, right? I will suggest her to look into it.
She can afford not getting paid while on FMLA.
She will be looking for another job, but with the economy now, she is not optimistic she will get anything soon.

Honestly, I was shocked when I found out that her manager wasn't happy when she asked to leave early to see doctors or go in an hour late but she offered to stay late.. The woman, her manager, was not happy when she took her vacation days. I think her manager was just mean, her office offered flu shot, but she has to go to another site which as 10 minutes away for the shot, she scheduled to go during lunch, she told her manager, the woman was not happy and asked her to go to an office 30 minutes away, so that she could "spend the day" in that office and have her work done. (In the closer office, there was no office space for her to "work", the extra 30 minutes mean that my friend had to go to office earlier so that she still be on time).

I searched whether this topic has been discussed and found an old thread on "loyalty" to the company. For this type of manager, why bother to be loyal.


Like others have said she isn't eligible for FMLA if she just started the job.

It really doesn't sound like this job is a good fit for her. Or she needs to find different doctors with longer hours.
 
I didn't think you could FMLA for a few hours here and there, I thought it had to be in chunks of time, like a month.

It must differ state to state. You can definitely do it in Indiana. DH discussed it with HR after our friend told us about the option. DH used all three weeks of his PTO in 2011 taking our daughter to appointments and we were starting to feel pressured for the first time in our lives. This option would allow him to take off an hour early (unpaid) to make the appointments instead of being forced to take his vacation time in half-day chunks (they don't allow anything less). Luckily, we never had to use the option as the medical situation improved and the appointments were more spread out, but HR confirmed that he could use it this way if he wanted to.
 












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