Use FPs on MB that hasn't entered the park?

[Mikie]

Keep in mind that getting FP while you were in the parks and using them later was "hoarding and evil" but loading up on FP before you even enter the park competely circumventing the system is "being park savvy". The hypocrisy is almost laughable.

Did I miss the hypocrisy? OP asked if it works, some posters explained that yes, it works, but is frowned upon or is an unintended loophole that may get closed. I personally wasn't a fan of FP- hoarders nor of the elaborate steps that people take to use FPs not on their own park admission. . . . I don't see where anyone here promoted either unless the hostility/defensiveness in this thread is a carryover from entirely separate conversations?

 

[larryz]

"Superusers" were blamed for everything: long standby lines, long FP return lines, vacations being ruined, the price of turkey legs, dirty bathrooms, heat rash, making kittens sad, etc.

 

[boufa]

Wait, wait, hang on. Am I missing something? If you are on a trip, and you have 5 day tickets. You can make FP's on 5 different days.. correct? Even if you are staying on property for 10 days, you can still only make FP's for 5 different days. So a family of 4 are entitled via the tickets that they are paying for to 5 days x 4 people x 3 FP's per day, or 60 total FP's. What is the difference who uses those 60 entitlements?!?! Grandma, and Grandpa who are not goign to the park that day shouldn't matter. If they go to the park and use their ticket day on another day, they wouldn't be able to have any FP's that day (since they were used on a non park day).

So on Day 1 they use extra fastpasses, and everyone in the park waits a fraction of a second longer, but on the other day, they all wait a fraction of a second less. So in the end it is the same 60 SP's over 5 days that they were entitled to. Where is the problem, I don't see the moral or ethical issue. They are not getting anything extra.

The justice, is that if they have Grandma and Grandpa's magic bands, they are going to be locked out of their room the whole day.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

It has been and "unintended use" since the system was put in place. Disney has known about it since the beginning. If Disney had wanted to "patch" it they would have done so long before now. I think that so few people actually use these and other "unintended uses" that they are just not an issue for Disney.

 

[larryz]

Did I miss the hypocrisy? OP asked if it works, some posters explained that yes, it works, but is frowned upon or is an unintended loophole that may get closed. I personally wasn't a fan of FP- hoarders nor of the elaborate steps that people take to use FPs not on their own park admission. . . . I don't see where anyone here promoted either unless the hostility/defensiveness in this thread is a carryover from entirely separate conversations?

Clearly, the only way to solve this dilemma is to broadly advertise this loophole on every Disney forum on which you can post, and maybe get it into the mainstream media travel columns. Only when it becomes clear to Disney that people are loading up the system on "dead head" MagicBands™ -- with no attached ticket media -- will they feel motivated enough to close this loophole and make the system "fair" again (as if it ever was).

 

[mom2rtk]

It has been and "unintended use" since the system was put in place. Disney has known about it since the beginning. If Disney had wanted to "patch" it they would have done so long before now. I think that so few people actually use these and other "unintended uses" that they are just not an issue for Disney.

It might not be a lack of desire keeping Disney from fixing it. It might be a lack of ability.

 

[subtchr]

Wait, wait, hang on. Am I missing something? If you are on a trip, and you have 5 day tickets. You can make FP's on 5 different days.. correct? Even if you are staying on property for 10 days, you can still only make FP's for 5 different days. So a family of 4 are entitled via the tickets that they are paying for to 5 days x 4 people x 3 FP's per day, or 60 total FP's. What is the difference who uses those 60 entitlements?!?! Grandma, and Grandpa who are not goign to the park that day shouldn't matter. If they go to the park and use their ticket day on another day, they wouldn't be able to have any FP's that day (since they were used on a non park day).

So on Day 1 they use extra fastpasses, and everyone in the park waits a fraction of a second longer, but on the other day, they all wait a fraction of a second less. So in the end it is the same 60 SP's over 5 days that they were entitled to. Where is the problem, I don't see the moral or ethical issue. They are not getting anything extra.

The justice, is that if they have Grandma and Grandpa's magic bands, they are going to be locked out of their room the whole day.

You are talking about the pre-reserved FP, which can only be made for the amount of days of park admission. Others are talking about FP made in the parks at a kiosk during the day. These are NOT tied to park admission, and for now, can be accessed using a magic band or card that was not used to enter the park that day. So yes, some people have determined how to get "extra" FP. It's a loophole that Disney may close any day.

 

[mom2rtk]

Wait, wait, hang on. Am I missing something? If you are on a trip, and you have 5 day tickets. You can make FP's on 5 different days.. correct? Even if you are staying on property for 10 days, you can still only make FP's for 5 different days. So a family of 4 are entitled via the tickets that they are paying for to 5 days x 4 people x 3 FP's per day, or 60 total FP's. What is the difference who uses those 60 entitlements?!?! Grandma, and Grandpa who are not goign to the park that day shouldn't matter. If they go to the park and use their ticket day on another day, they wouldn't be able to have any FP's that day (since they were used on a non park day).

So on Day 1 they use extra fastpasses, and everyone in the park waits a fraction of a second longer, but on the other day, they all wait a fraction of a second less. So in the end it is the same 60 SP's over 5 days that they were entitled to. Where is the problem, I don't see the moral or ethical issue. They are not getting anything extra.

The justice, is that if they have Grandma and Grandpa's magic bands, they are going to be locked out of their room the whole day.

FP entitlements are not limited to the number of days on a ticket. As long as they have not used the tickets, they continue to have more entitlements.

 

[mom2rtk]

You are talking about the pre-reserved FP, which can only be made for the amount of days of park admission. Others are talking about FP made in the parks at a kiosk during the day. These are NOT tied to park admission, and for now, can be accessed using a magic band or card that was not used to enter the park that day. So yes, some people have determined how to get "extra" FP. It's a loophole that Disney may close any day.

Yes, pre-reserved are limited to the number of days on a ticket. But that's only at one time. Once you use one day of FPs on a 5 day ticket and have 4 days left you can schedule another day and bring it back up to 5 again (since admission wasn't used and there are still 5 days left on the ticket).

If Grandma and Grandpa have APs but aren't coming on this trip?

 

[okilydokily]

Did I miss the hypocrisy? OP asked if it works, some posters explained that yes, it works, but is frowned upon or is an unintended loophole that may get closed. I personally wasn't a fan of FP- hoarders nor of the elaborate steps that people take to use FPs not on their own park admission. . . . I don't see where anyone here promoted either unless the hostility/defensiveness in this thread is a carryover from entirely separate conversations?

If I were to make a post on how you can legally drive on certain roads open to all guests in the world, and end up in the MK parking lot without ever going through the pay booths, it would get deleted as somehow being unfair and against the rules of the board. I have seen it happen... yet it is just fine for people to ask about extra FPs using a method not intended to be used by Disney and it gets answered and stays posted. So maybe it goes on how certain subject have been dealt with before, for me at least.

I guess I don't care that much, very few people would even have this opportunity, and that is probably why Disney doesn't close it. Sometimes with large computer systems, a seemingly simple fix can be quite difficult and not worth the cost.

 

[3DisneyFanz]

Did I miss the hypocrisy? OP asked if it works, some posters explained that yes, it works, but is frowned upon or is an unintended loophole that may get closed. I personally wasn't a fan of FP- hoarders nor of the elaborate steps that people take to use FPs not on their own park admission. . . . I don't see where anyone here promoted either unless the hostility/defensiveness in this thread is a carryover from entirely separate conversations?

You might have missed it but others didn't. It's just a little misleading to hype how great something is when youre not being honest about enjoying it because you cheat the system.

 

[Mikie]

If I were to make a post on how you can legally drive on certain roads open to all guests in the world, and end up in the MK parking lot without ever going through the pay booths, it would get deleted as somehow being unfair and against the rules of the board. I have seen it happen... yet it is just fine for people to ask about extra FPs using a method not intended to be used by Disney and it gets answered and stays posted. So maybe it goes on how certain subject have been dealt with before, for me at least.

I guess I don't care that much, very few people would even have this opportunity, and that is probably why Disney doesn't close it. Sometimes with large computer systems, a seemingly simple fix can be quite difficult and not worth the cost.

I misunderstood the hypocrisy comment to refer to something actually said in this thread, not the existence of the discussion. I agree and definitely find the phenomenon of allowing some cheats to be discussed while others are prohibited arbitrary and confusing. . .

 

[eeyoreandtink]

It might not be a lack of desire keeping Disney from fixing it. It might be a lack of ability.

I highly doubt that. they were able to link the ability to use legacy fastpass to having used a ticket entitlement at that park that day. It isn't a difficult thing from an IT standpoint to "turn on" the ability to redeem fastpasses when you swipe in at the gate. They COULD do it, they just haven't.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

I misunderstood the hypocrisy comment to refer to something actually said in this thread, not the existence of the discussion. I agree and definitely find the phenomenon of allowing some cheats to be discussed while others are prohibited arbitrary and confusing. . .

I don't see this as a "cheat" because there isn't a rule about it from Disney like there is for the parking example. Disney never says faspasses are non transferable that I have seen.

 

[okilydokily]

I highly doubt that. they were able to link the ability to use legacy fastpass to having used a ticket entitlement at that park that day. It isn't a difficult thing from an IT standpoint to "turn on" the ability to redeem fastpasses when you swipe in at the gate. They COULD do it, they just haven't.

Unless you work on the MB system, you don't know if it is difficult or not. Changing one thing creates a problem in another area in many systems. Now from a programmers perspective, it may be easy to go in and fix, but quite often, people don't look at what other problems that will cause, and making the change, like I said will cause issues. So the lesser of two problems is kept until a full correcting can be made, which might not be until a major update. I have seen schematics of computer systems that cover two walls. It never seems to be as easy a fix as you hope.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

Unless you work on the MB system, you don't know if it is difficult or not. Changing one thing creates a problem in another area in many systems. Now from a programmers perspective, it may be easy to go in and fix, but quite often, people don't look at what other problems that will cause, and making the change, like I said will cause issues. So the lesser of two problems is kept until a full correcting can be made, which might not be until a major update. I have seen schematics of computer systems that cover two walls. It never seems to be as easy a fix as you hope.

I do know a fair amount about IT. If they wanted to fix it, they could have done so long ago.

 

[mom2rtk]

I highly doubt that. they were able to link the ability to use legacy fastpass to having used a ticket entitlement at that park that day. It isn't a difficult thing from an IT standpoint to "turn on" the ability to redeem fastpasses when you swipe in at the gate. They COULD do it, they just haven't.

I think it's a lot more complicated because legacy had ticket redemption happen prior to obtaining a FP. With pre-scheduling under FP+ the FP entitlement is give out prior to ticket redemption.

 

[mom2rtk]

I do know a fair amount about IT. If they wanted to fix it, they could have done so long ago.

Why do you suppose they haven't chosen to build a website that doesn't crash so often?

 

[Lucius Best]

Why do you suppose they haven't chosen to build a website that doesn't crash so often?

Excellent point. I suppose Disney could do it if they wanted to, they just haven't.

 

[larryz]

I don't see this as a "cheat" because there isn't a rule about it from Disney like there is for the parking example. Disney never says faspasses are non transferable that I have seen.

But they DO say that MBs associated with ticket media are non-transferrable and for use ONLY by the same person on all days. It's right there on the back of the MB...