Upgrading...Suggestions???

I've been to the Sterling, NY one many times but not for a few years. Now that my kid's 3 years old, he's old enough that we're starting to get back to some places we haven't been, as well as looking for things to do with him. So, off we went...

I got a ton of photos, some of which I'm very pleased with, but haven't processed the series yet. When I do, they'll be in the "What I did over my summer..." thread. So far, that thread has...
Rochester Lilac Festival, Rochester Harbor and Carousel Festival (barely), Watkins Glen Historic Races, Big Bad Voodoo Daddy concert, Parkside Whispering Pines (oldest minigolf in the country), and Corning Museum of Glass.

Upcoming things are...
Seabreeze amusement park (twice!), Pageant of Steam (old steam-powered machinery and agricultural stuff), Sterling Renaissance Festival, Genesee Country Museum fireworks show, and Watkins Glen Vintage Races (just got back and am very excited to go through my shots! tons of fisheyes and shots taken with 40+ year old lenses.)

So, I'd say, check into that thread in a week or two and maybe I'll have the Renn Festival shots up. There's only 821 of them. :lmao: (Those 21 fps shots add up very quickly!)


Thanks for all the help with this! I lived in upstate NY when I was young. We lived in Johnstown and had a place at Caroga Lake. I think that's somewhat close to you.

Based on Price and package, I'm leaning toward the K20. Hope to decide in the next couple of days:goodvibes
 
Do you have any other lenses besides the 70-200mm lens that broke? If so, then your already partly there.

I'm a Nikon guy, but I have great respect for the other brands and the people that use them. It's not my position to tell someone else which brand they should belong to.

Pentax has a great and extensive lineup of lenses that are available to you. The K20D has been around for a little while, so there are plenty of good reviews and users out there with some nice info on it. The D90 is brand new. Not to many images and reviews as of yet. Nikon has had great success with their dSLR's as has Pentax. Nikon has a bigger selection of dSLR's but that doesn't necessarily make them better. Pentax has been making camera's longer, but that doesn't necessarily make them better either.

The biggest thing is gong to be the feel in your hands and the comfort level with the buttons and what not. You've already used a Pentax and as other Pentax users have mentioned, the newer camera's are similar. Pentax has the IS built into the body which is a nice feature to have. Though with Nikon and Canon every new lens they seem to come out with has VR/IS. Though that doesn't help the older lenses on their bodies.

Go with what you feel comfortable and confident with.
 
okay.. just to throw more possibilities to you... You seem to like the notion of an image stabilizer in the camera... So you might also think about the Sony line....

Also... as you've seen the Pentax isn't carried by everyone... so if you stick with Pentax you will run the risk that the camera company will go the way of the dodo.. Nothing against Pentax... but if you plan on investing lots of money in lenses over time... you would hate to find that those lenses were only good for a camera that didn't exist anymore... To my way of thinking, a Pentax and Olympus are a bit like Yashica used to be - small market segments...I think the last I heard Pentax had around 5.5% of the DSLR market, Olympus 7%... Sony was about 10% and the lions share was held by Nikon and Canon.... I would be surprised if their were more than 3 dslr manufacturers left when as the market matures.... I don't know if I would put stock in Pentax being one of them.
 
okay.. just to throw more possibilities to you... You seem to like the notion of an image stabilizer in the camera... So you might also think about the Sony line....

Also... as you've seen the Pentax isn't carried by everyone... so if you stick with Pentax you will run the risk that the camera company will go the way of the dodo.. Nothing against Pentax... but if you plan on investing lots of money in lenses over time... you would hate to find that those lenses were only good for a camera that didn't exist anymore... To my way of thinking, a Pentax and Olympus are a bit like Yashica used to be - small market segments...I think the last I heard Pentax had around 5.5% of the DSLR market, Olympus 7%... Sony was about 10% and the lions share was held by Nikon and Canon.... I would be surprised if their were more than 3 dslr manufacturers left when as the market matures.... I don't know if I would put stock in Pentax being one of them.

Pentax, IIRC, has making camera's and lenses longer than any other camera company out there (they've been making optical lenses since 1919). They are also the only camera company that is making dSLRs where ALL their lenses will mount and meter (and auto focus if the lens is an auto focus lens) on all the dSLR's in their line up. Though it could be limited to just the K mount lenses which were first introduced in 1975. Groucho can probably correct me with this. Though I think I recall him saying he bought a bunch of used manual focus lenses that are from the 1960's and he has used them on his Pentax dSLR.

I know that Canon's dSLR's will only be able to use EOS lenses. EOS was introduced in 1986, but there are limitations with their dSLR bodies. The made for digital lenses wont work with full frame digital bodies, only crop bodies. Canon changed mount on their lenses so pretty much nothing earlier than 1986 will work with dSLR's.

Nikon has kept the same mount and all their lenses will mount on the current dSLR's, however, only on the more advanced bodies (D100 and higher) can the older manual focus lenses be used with the current metering system. There are also many auto focus lenses that wont auto focus on some Nikon dSLR bodies because these bodies don't have a focus motor in the body.

Sony will use most of Minolta's SLR lens line up. I don't know about Olympus.

Even though I'm a Nikon guy, I in no way what so ever see Pentax going away. Ever.
 

okay.. just to throw more possibilities to you... You seem to like the notion of an image stabilizer in the camera... So you might also think about the Sony line....

Also... as you've seen the Pentax isn't carried by everyone... so if you stick with Pentax you will run the risk that the camera company will go the way of the dodo.. Nothing against Pentax... but if you plan on investing lots of money in lenses over time... you would hate to find that those lenses were only good for a camera that didn't exist anymore... To my way of thinking, a Pentax and Olympus are a bit like Yashica used to be - small market segments...I think the last I heard Pentax had around 5.5% of the DSLR market, Olympus 7%... Sony was about 10% and the lions share was held by Nikon and Canon.... I would be surprised if their were more than 3 dslr manufacturers left when as the market matures.... I don't know if I would put stock in Pentax being one of them.

I have one question for you. Have you ever heard of the Betamax, MiniDisc, or the DAT tape? While I doubt that Sony would just drop out of the DSLR business, I would not even blink an eye if they did completely and out of the blue. The company sort of has a track record of abandoning their loyal customers.
 
One more thing I forgot to mention. Samsung is using the Pentax mount for their DSLRs. While they are currently just re-badged Pentax models, they plan on expanding with their own independent models. Considering that Samsung is one of the fastest growing camera manufacturers, even if Pentax up and died, I think the mount would live on just fine.
 
Pentax, IIRC, has making camera's and lenses longer than any other camera company out there (they've been making optical lenses since 1919). They are also the only camera company that is making dSLRs where ALL their lenses will mount and meter (and auto focus if the lens is an auto focus lens) on all the dSLR's in their line up. .

to the best of my knowledge, Sonys dslrs work with all sony lenses and all minolta AF lenses, which would be all minolta lenses made since 1985 when the first maxxum was introduced..
 
Sigh... this is one of the reasons that I've been avoiding camera suggestion threads.

FWIW... about lens mount history...
Canon's changed theirs about four times
Olympus changed mounts at least twice, new digital mount
Minolta changed mount when going from manual to autofocus
Pentax changed mount once, still offers an adapter from their web store for old lenses on new bodies (also a medium-format lens adapter)
Nikon has never changed their lens mount, however most of their cheaper DSLRs won't play well with older lenses

Pentax, IIRC, has making camera's and lenses longer than any other camera company out there (they've been making optical lenses since 1919). They are also the only camera company that is making dSLRs where ALL their lenses will mount and meter (and auto focus if the lens is an auto focus lens) on all the dSLR's in their line up. Though it could be limited to just the K mount lenses which were first introduced in 1975. Groucho can probably correct me with this. Though I think I recall him saying he bought a bunch of used manual focus lenses that are from the 1960's and he has used them on his Pentax dSLR.
Pentax has the friendliest backwards compatibility, certainly. Every lens gets nearly full functionality and image stabilization. The only thing you really lose is, when using screw-mount lenses, they all behave as preset lenses (ie, you set the aperture and see the difference live), because it can't press in the pin that will stop down the blades when taking a photo on an original screw-mount camera. You do still get focus confirmation and metering (thanks to preset, you can just leave the camera in Av mode and fire away!)

Here's a shot of a lens sold from 1957-1961 mounted on my K20D... a 135mm F3.5 Takumar preset, to be specific.

M42adapter-1.jpg


The lens is quite high-quality, too - the build quality is superb and the image quality is awfully nice, too. This particular one even has 8 aperture blades for nice round bokeh. Some of the old lenses have 15 or even more aperture blades, if you want things really round. :teeth: I used some of these old lenses a lot last weekend at a vintage racing event and was very pleased with their performance. I wouldn't recommend older zoom lenses, but quality old primes can still compete nicely with new lenses of all types.

I know that Canon's dSLR's will only be able to use EOS lenses. EOS was introduced in 1986, but there are limitations with their dSLR bodies. The made for digital lenses wont work with full frame digital bodies, only crop bodies. Canon changed mount on their lenses so pretty much nothing earlier than 1986 will work with dSLR's.
To be fair... Canon has one of the most adaptable lens mounts, along with Olympus. You can get adapters to mount nearly anything on a Canon, however the cheap ones won't give you focus confirmation or any metering. It's the same story with Olympus except that I think it's a little more forgiving on metering, plus I think you can get stabilization with them. The downside is that their adapters are very expensive!

Is Pentax going away? Of course not. Hoya owns them now and is a pretty successful company and has committed to continuing to improve the breed. (I wouldn't be surprised to see their PnS cameras dwindle, though - though I suspect their waterproof models will soldier on.) Their alliance with Samsung gave them the cutting-edge 14.6mp sensor found in the K20D, keeping the profit "in the family" rather than paying money to Sony like Nikon always has (and Pentax used to). They've been releasing new lenses at a faster rate than probably anyone else, including brand-new primes. (Like a beautiful new 35mm F2.8 1:1 macro lens (glowing minireview here), complete with DoF scale - who else makes a lens like that? Most new lenses from companies other than Olympus have been mild updates of old film lenses or, in Nikon's case, old lenses with new motors.) Market share reports I've seen show Pentax pretty consistently in third place - this is probably on a worldwide sales basis, I could believe that their share is less here as they're not sold in wholesale clubs and office supply stores. Still, they definitely sell - look at how quickly the K100D and K10D sold out when production ended. Meanwhile, I still see local stores flogging 1-2-generation-old models of other brands that are still lying around. That's the downside of higher saturation.

Furthermore - if you refuse to buy something because of a lower market share - well, that's certainly not going to help! Buy what you want, and the more people who do, the more successful the smaller companies will be.

But really, it boils down to what camera is the best fit for you. The D90 certainly offers a very, very strong package. So does the 50D. Both will easily beat the K20D in some areas, like normal frames-per-second shooting if that's a priority for you, but the K20D can beat them in other areas. Overall, as I said, I do think the K20D does position itself above them, with the full weathersealing, controls, and customization options. But I wouldn't blame anyone for picking any of these. The Sony and Olympus are compelling bodies too though IMHO I think their lens options are an issue - both are very expensive for the "good stuff", there's not as much of a selection, and the Olympus especially suffers from poor third-party support. (Sony and Pentax are pretty similar for Sigma/Tamron/Tokina lenses, Pentax has a few more high-end oddballs like manual-focus Zeiss, Voigtlander, etc lenses.) Olympus is now also facing making a new set of "mini-4/3rds" lenses for their new mirrorless designs, instead of concentrating solely on normal 4/3rds lenses. Olympus has, for better or for worse, painted themselves into a corner with their 4/3rds sensor. They don't have the option of going full-frame like everyone else is doing, so they're going smaller; but that takes new lenses to get the full benefit. Nothing against them, though; if your needs fit into what they have to offer (just like with Pentax), I'm sure you'll be very pleased.

Whatever you choose, I will almost guarantee that you'll love it.
 
This is the other reason I'm avoiding camera recommendation threads. I tend to write huge messages that take a long time to put together. That message is finished, you can wake up now. ;)
 
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Wow! What else can I say...:rotfl2:

I've had the Pentax for years and really like it. I think the K20D would be a very nice upgrade from my istD. I'm selling my current lens with the camera to make it an easier sell to my neighbor. I'm looking at a package with a 18-55 and a 70-300 so I don't need the current lens anyway. You guys are keeping me on my toes while I decide though!!!:cutie:
 
Sigh... this is one of the reasons that I've been avoiding camera suggestion threads.

FWIW... about lens mount history...
Canon's changed theirs about four times
Olympus changed mounts at least twice, new digital mount
Minolta changed mount when going from manual to autofocus
Pentax changed mount once, still offers an adapter from their web store for old lenses on new bodies (also a medium-format lens adapter)
Nikon has never changed their lens mount, however most of their cheaper DSLRs won't play well with older lenses


Pentax has the friendliest backwards compatibility, certainly. Every lens gets nearly full functionality and image stabilization. .

LOL...if these threads bother you so much..just learn to count to 10 and walk away...

in all fairness to Sony, they do use all minolta AF lenses, which were first made in 1985..if you go back much farther than that the technology wasn't as good and the lenses aren't as good quality wise..nor were zooms available,
plus going back that far you increase the odds of getting a lens with fungus when you buy used..
so the average person wouldn't want to go back farther in time anyway..
 
I don't get upset about the threads, but I'm not interested in brand wars, especially since it's so easily for misinformation to start flying around.

Funnily enough, the manual focus Minolta Rokkor 50mm F1.2 is one that is popular to use with an adapter... and I would have to think that there are a few other older Minolta lenses that people may want to use (but that one is the only one I ever see mentioned.) The point is more that they did tell users, "time to throw away all your old lenses and buy new ones."

Zooms were available but not as good quality. The primes can still be very competitive with today's lenses. Fungus generally isn't a problem for a lens stored halfway decently. The old lenses have a "look" and a quality and a feel that you don't find in modern lenses. Obviously Joe "Leaves It In Auto Mode" SLRBuyer won't be buying these lenses - but I thought that part of the appeal of an SLR is the ability to have the choice to use many different lenses, not just brand-new ones, which are mostly cheapish plastic and none have the "feel" of a proper all-metal manual focus lens. (Impossible due to the AF gearing.)
 
I don't get upset about the threads, but I'm not interested in brand wars, especially since it's so easily for misinformation to start flying around.

Funnily enough, the manual focus Minolta Rokkor 50mm F1.2 is one that is popular to use with an adapter... and I would have to think that there are a few other older Minolta lenses that people may want to use (but that one is the only one I ever see mentioned.) The point is more that they did tell users, "time to throw away all your old lenses and buy new ones."

Zooms were available but not as good quality. The primes can still be very competitive with today's lenses. Fungus generally isn't a problem for a lens stored halfway decently. The old lenses have a "look" and a quality and a feel that you don't find in modern lenses. Obviously Joe "Leaves It In Auto Mode" SLRBuyer won't be buying these lenses - but I thought that part of the appeal of an SLR is the ability to have the choice to use many different lenses, not just brand-new ones, which are mostly cheapish plastic and none have the "feel" of a proper all-metal manual focus lens. (Impossible due to the AF gearing.)
Back to my basic questions...I've peeked at your photos. With your night photos on your recent DW trip...are those with the K20? If so what lens?
 
I have one question for you. Have you ever heard of the Betamax, MiniDisc, or the DAT tape? While I doubt that Sony would just drop out of the DSLR business, I would not even blink an eye if they did completely and out of the blue. The company sort of has a track record of abandoning their loyal customers.

Yep heard of them... Betamax was even the better video tape format but it died. I'm not wishing Pentax to die, but I don't see them as being a pillar in the future dslr market... the simple fact is they are probably in fifth position at the moment... and as much as I like to cheer for the underdog, business is rarely like a Disney movie where the little guy wins. There is a risk in buying into any brand of camera, I just see a little more risk with Pentax than I would with some of the other brand.... lord for all I know Red might manage to eliminate nikon or canon when they enter the market with there monstro based camera... who knows.
 
I don't get upset about the threads, but I'm not interested in brand wars, especially since it's so easily for misinformation to start flying around.

Funnily enough, the manual focus Minolta Rokkor 50mm F1.2 is one that is popular to use with an adapter... and I would have to think that there are a few other older Minolta lenses that people may want to use (but that one is the only one I ever see mentioned.) The point is more that they did tell users, "time to throw away all your old lenses and buy new ones."

Zooms were available but not as good quality. The primes can still be very competitive with today's lenses. Fungus generally isn't a problem for a lens stored halfway decently. The old lenses have a "look" and a quality and a feel that you don't find in modern lenses. Obviously Joe "Leaves It In Auto Mode" SLRBuyer won't be buying these lenses - but I thought that part of the appeal of an SLR is the ability to have the choice to use many different lenses, not just brand-new ones, which are mostly cheapish plastic and none have the "feel" of a proper all-metal manual focus lens. (Impossible due to the AF gearing.)





good points, I think you are right the average person buying a dslr today, would prefer the lightweight plastic lenses over the old solid ones, how often do we hear people on here saying 2.8 lenses are too heavy, they would never carry one...

my tokina atx-pro 80-200 2.8 feels like a tank.. and sometimes feels like it weighs as much as one.. I got an opte3ch strap just for it...
 
FYI - Olympus has been around since 1919, had it's first Zuiko lens in 1936, and has for decades specialized in making smaller, more portable cameras, as it still does today. I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon. ;)
 
For what it's worth, I found the following site:

http://www.digital-slr-guide.com/
http://www.digital-slr-guide.com/best-digital-slr-camera.html


It has some advertisements on it, but the site looked like it presented some good information.

As to advise, people become very attached to their camera brand. I know, I have a lot invested in Nikon and I am quite happy with Nikon cameras, flashes, and lenses. If I had purchased Canon/Pentax/Sony/etc,etc , I probably would be just as happy.

Be careful to get the right camera for your shooting needs and comfort. If money were not object, you could afford to get the flagship professional camera for a camera maker, (say the Nikon D3), but that camera may be over kill for your shooting needs; it may be to heavy for your to lug around all day; it may be too complicated for you learn where as the entry level camera (say Nikon D40) would serve you fine.
 
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I know that Canon's dSLR's will only be able to use EOS lenses. EOS was introduced in 1986, but there are limitations with their dSLR bodies. The made for digital lenses wont work with full frame digital bodies, only crop bodies. Canon changed mount on their lenses so pretty much nothing earlier than 1986 will work with dSLR's.


To be fair... Canon has one of the most adaptable lens mounts, along with Olympus. You can get adapters to mount nearly anything on a Canon, however the cheap ones won't give you focus confirmation or any metering..

True, though none of the lenses made for the crop bodies (EF-S designation) will work on the 1D, 1Ds, 1D Mark II, 1Ds Mark III, 5D and all those other 1.3 and FF bodies. Apparently the butt end of the lens that goes into the body is too deep and when the mirror flips up it hits the back of the lens.

I agree with your overall point, dSLR's are a HUGE market and we'll see more companies come with them before we see any company go away from them.

Sony just announced the A-900, 24.6MP full frame body. Thats some serious electronic equipment there. Also that they make great sensor's will keep them in the game for quite a while.
 















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