Upgrading...Suggestions???

Yep heard of them... Betamax was even the better video tape format but it died. I'm not wishing Pentax to die, but I don't see them as being a pillar in the future dslr market... the simple fact is they are probably in fifth position at the moment... and as much as I like to cheer for the underdog, business is rarely like a Disney movie where the little guy wins. There is a risk in buying into any brand of camera, I just see a little more risk with Pentax than I would with some of the other brand.... lord for all I know Red might manage to eliminate nikon or canon when they enter the market with there monstro based camera... who knows.

I think you missed my ultimate point. I was sort of just being the Devil's advocate. To be clear, I think all of these companies will still be around in ten years.

You originally said to avoid companies like Pentax b/c they might not be in the DSLR business in the future. My point was that you support Sony, as if they are more likely to be around, when they have such a history of abandoning loyal customers. Sony does not even have to go out of business to stop making a successful product line. Given that, I would personally consider Sony a larger risk than Pentax/Samsung.
 
Back to my basic questions...I've peeked at your photos. With your night photos on your recent DW trip...are those with the K20? If so what lens?
All the photos posted on my site from my most recent (April 2008) trip were with the K20D. The night photos varied... many were with the 31mm F1.8, many were with the Tamron 28-75mm F2.8... a few were with other lenses. For many of those type of shots, most lenses will work well because you're often stopping down to F8 or so, where even cheapie lenses generally do pretty good. The quality difference will probably be in the bokeh, color rendition, aperture blades (how many streaks you see in the coronas around the lights), etc.

Yep heard of them... Betamax was even the better video tape format but it died. I'm not wishing Pentax to die, but I don't see them as being a pillar in the future dslr market... the simple fact is they are probably in fifth position at the moment... and as much as I like to cheer for the underdog, business is rarely like a Disney movie where the little guy wins. There is a risk in buying into any brand of camera, I just see a little more risk with Pentax than I would with some of the other brand.... lord for all I know Red might manage to eliminate nikon or canon when they enter the market with there monstro based camera... who knows.
I don't know why you would think that. As I said, most rankings I've seen show Pentax fairly solidly in third place worldwide, and they pretty easily sell as many cameras as they can make. Sheer quantity doesn't mean success, look at how easily giant companies can stumble and go from market leaders to bankrupt. Times change, too - as far as I know, Pentax still has the record for the best-selling SLR of all time (K1000), and has been on top of the market in the past. They're also the only company to ever successfully compete in both 35mm and medium-format cameras. (Anyone who thinks Pentax doesn't do truly professional cameras is forgetting their well-respected medium-format line.) Don't worry just because you don't see a K200D for sale in Office Max, they're doing pretty well regardless. ;)

And again - if you never patronize the "little guy", then all the little guys of the world will disappear - and that's bad for everyone. Fortunately, not everyone is staying away, hence there's more third-party lens support now than, say, a year or two ago.

good points, I think you are right the average person buying a dslr today, would prefer the lightweight plastic lenses over the old solid ones, how often do we hear people on here saying 2.8 lenses are too heavy, they would never carry one...
The shot I posted earlier of the lens on my camera is a 135mm F3.5 - not all that big at all, and my 105mm F2.8 is probably 2/3rds the size, and my 55mm F1.8 is maybe only slightly larger than my current 50mm F1.4. Completely diminutive compared to a zoom lens of similar speed, and lighter even with all-metal construction. Granted, that's more of a prime vs zoom thing, but hey, the primes are what you want when using these old lenses... Joe Auto-Mode would probably not buy more than the kit lens and maybe a cheapie telephoto zoom, anyway.

BTW I misspoke earlier, it's the Rokkor 58mm F1.2, not the 50mm F1.2, that some people are interested in. (Partly because it can be converted directly to an EOS mount without a ton of difficulty.)
 
With Sony having bought Minolta and Hoya having bought Pentax (who also partnered with Samsung) and Nikon having recovered several years ago from their financial problems, it looks like all five of the major consumer DSLR vendors are financially healthy and committed to DSLRs for the long haul.

If you want usage stats, FlickR has some interesting stats related to number of users uploading. I'm sure that the numbers have several inherent biases (FlickR is more popular in some countries than in others, it attracts hobbyists but not pros or snapshooters, etc). Still, it's a nice estimate for the relative popularity of different camera models for hobbyist photographers.

You can see more here.

Here are some of the top DSLRs and how many owners posted yesterday:

Canon Rebel XTi - 6,719
Canon Rebel XT - 4,178
Nikon D80 - 3,504
Canon 40D - 2,803
Nikon D40 - 2,648
Nikon D50 - 1,673
Nikon D200 - 1,595
Canon 5D - 1,582
Canon 30D - 1,512
Canon 20D - 1,378
Nikon D40x - 1,188
Canon XSi - 1,124
Nikon D70 - 1,141
Canon Rebel - 942
Sony A100 - 594
Pentax K10D - 506
Olympus E-510 - 430
Olympus E-500 - 396
Sony A200 - 257
Pentax K100D - 243
Olympus E-410 - 181
Sony A700 - 176
Pentax K100 Super - 123
Fuji S5 Pro - 86
Minolta Maxxum 5D - 91
Samsung GX-10 - 34
Sigma SD15 - 20
Panasonic DMC-L1 - 18
Epson R-D1(s) - 16
Kodak DCS Pro SLR/n - 8

So from this list, you can see that Canon and Nikon really do dominate the other brands. In fact, there are several popular Canon and Nikon models that I didn't bother to put on the list. Sony, Pentax, and Olympus seem pretty close to each other.

There are advantages to going with what is popular. It's easier to find help. It's easier to rent or borrow equipment. There is more third party support.

There are advantages to going with smaller companies. They fight harder for your business. They are also less protective of their high end cameras and are more willing to put high end features in their low end cameras.

All five make good equipment and each have their own unique advantages. Try them all and find the one that works the best for you.

If you are a social type, I also recommend considering the same system as your friends use. You can swap gear, teach each other, etc. Honestly, if I were starting from scratch today, I'd pick Nikon for that reason. I'm still a bit more partial to Canon equipment, but all of my close photography friends shoot Nikon. If I did as well, I could round up lots of flashes for a multi-strobe shoot; I could borrow a 14-24 for ultra-wide shooting; I could have borrowed a 600mm f/4 lens for my Yellowstone trip.
 
If you are a social type, I also recommend considering the same system as your friends use. You can swap gear, teach each other, etc. Honestly, if I were starting from scratch today, I'd pick Nikon for that reason. I'm still a bit more partial to Canon equipment, but all of my close photography friends shoot Nikon. If I did as well, I could round up lots of flashes for a multi-strobe shoot; I could borrow a 14-24 for ultra-wide shooting; I could have borrowed a 600mm f/4 lens for my Yellowstone trip.

That's the problem I face - most of my extended family has Canons and the idea of swapping lenses and such is nice, but I do like going with the underdogs and have enjoyed our Pentax and so the other half of me wants at K20D and the heck with big, bad Canon. ;)

Decisions, decisions...
 
















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